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Old May 1, 2025 | 01:38 PM
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No denying that it's not special...just that there are a lot of also special and some more special cars out there for the same price. If you're wanting a track toy then sure, this is the right play, but if you just want to drive it around and have some fun? Ferrari 296 or Z06/ZR1 all day.
yeah, I do wish the ADM game was different too. If I was buying purely a track toy though, I would get a clubsport or a cup car, but those are not street legal. Also, for my use, I would rather a 911 S/T, but that’s impossibler to get.
As for Ferrari, the 296 is definitely pretty, but new it’s pretty expensive. I’m not sure it’s holding value great either compared to the f8 predecessor or 488 before that. Personally, I could live with the hybrid and v6 engine, but the capacitive buttons on the steering including start stop kill it.
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Old May 1, 2025 | 03:27 PM
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Doesn’t even look like he hit the brakes

https://www.thedrive.com/news/showbo...at-like-30-mph
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Old May 1, 2025 | 04:56 PM
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Old May 1, 2025 | 06:00 PM
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It's hard to tell but it seems like he never completely took his foot off the accelerator.
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Old May 2, 2025 | 01:47 PM
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yeah, I do wish the ADM game was different too. If I was buying purely a track toy though, I would get a clubsport or a cup car, but those are not street legal. Also, for my use, I would rather a 911 S/T, but that’s impossibler to get.
As for Ferrari, the 296 is definitely pretty, but new it’s pretty expensive. I’m not sure it’s holding value great either compared to the f8 predecessor or 488 before that. Personally, I could live with the hybrid and v6 engine, but the capacitive buttons on the steering including start stop kill it.
296 isn't holding value but, to be fair, none of the modern Ferraris are at this point. I'd wager even the F80 is going to get hit in the resale department but we'll see.

All of this is so far in the hypothetical realm that it won't ever realistically matter to me but I'd still buy the 296 (even used) over a GT3RS if I was going to just drive it around for funsies. In reality I would buy a Z06 Corvette or Audi R8 over either and pocket the other $300k lol.
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Old May 2, 2025 | 02:04 PM
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Also, the 296GTB is one of the dare I say “entry” level models, it’s on the same lineage as the 360, 430, 458, 488. Compared to the GT3RS which is on the extreme end of the 911 lineage, right below the GT2RS. This is among the reasons why I don’t find them to be comparable. Sure cost may be the same or similar, but still. If you asked me which I’d rather have, I mean, sure both are sweet ass rides. But ummmm. I want both. Haha
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Old May 2, 2025 | 03:03 PM
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That's one hell of a lineage to be a part of. In any case, even if it's entry level (I'd argue that's the Roma though) an 850hp turbo V6 Ferrari that runs mid 10's in the quarter is anything close to entry level lol.
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Old May 2, 2025 | 03:49 PM
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I would have a F430 gated manual, 458, 488, F8 (All in spyder form) before a GT3 RS.
I would also take an newer Aventador over GT3 RS.
I do like the looks of the mclaren 650S and 675LT, both again spyder form.
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Old May 2, 2025 | 05:41 PM
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Friend went to one of the local rent a car to drive at a racetrack thingies today....





dang may have to check it outttt...
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Old May 2, 2025 | 09:38 PM
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Sheesh. If there's an optimal car to live its life on the track, it's got to be that one.

Originally Posted by Mizouse
So far the cars been good. Only issue is that because it’s cold (relative for my area) it’s difficult to shift until the car is warmed up.
I noticed is my car will shift better if I run through the gears at idle before setting off, especially second gear. I don't know the science, but I've been doing it on all my manual cars and it does seem to help. When it's cold enough, the BRZ will just lock me out of second gear the first time I ask for it.

Anyway, might be worth a try.


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Old May 2, 2025 | 10:09 PM
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Originally Posted by SamDoe1
That's one hell of a lineage to be a part of. In any case, even if it's entry level (I'd argue that's the Roma though) an 850hp turbo V6 Ferrari that runs mid 10's in the quarter is anything close to entry level lol.
actually... it's 9.7 @ 150 for the 296.

Ok - I am not calling it ENTRY LEVEL, per se. I am just saying, compared to the GT3RS on the Porsche tree, the 296 is not nearly as high up on the Ferrari tree. Does this MEAN anything? Arguable.
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Old May 2, 2025 | 10:10 PM
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Originally Posted by PhilB81
I would have a F430 gated manual, 458, 488, F8 (All in spyder form) before a GT3 RS.
I would also take an newer Aventador over GT3 RS.
I do like the looks of the mclaren 650S and 675LT, both again spyder form.
Hear you loud and clear. Let's see - IF I WAS IN A POSITION to buy either.... which one would I pick? Hmmmmmmmmm I think it would be the 296 first.
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Old May 2, 2025 | 10:11 PM
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also, the 9.7 @ 150 blows me away for that car - I mean, in terms of being on "that lineage". The car completely clobbers and rises so high up above its lineage.
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Old May 2, 2025 | 11:47 PM
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Hear you loud and clear. Let's see - IF I WAS IN A POSITION to buy either.... which one would I pick? Hmmmmmmmmm I think it would be the 296 first.
I hope that one day I get to see pics of your 296


I do like the green on that X5. I saw an M3 touring in that color, very nice!
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Old May 2, 2025 | 11:51 PM
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by comparison the 992 GT3RS runs 10.9 @ 126 - hardly a slouch and quite commendable for it's NA 6 layout, buuuuut ummm yeah the 296 is other-worldly by comparison.

THAT BEING SAID, in a PERFECT world, I would have both of those in my garage, among many others........
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Old May 2, 2025 | 11:55 PM
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For fun I looked up some 296 listings and this page came up - it's a local place in North side (Lake Forest IL) - been there before. Holy dang at this lineup of offerings:

https://www.ferrarilakeforest.com/used-vehicles/
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Old May 2, 2025 | 11:57 PM
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Originally Posted by srika
by comparison the 992 GT3RS runs 10.9 @ 126 - hardly a slouch and quite commendable for it's NA 6 layout, buuuuut ummm yeah the 296 is other-worldly by comparison.

THAT BEING SAID, in a PERFECT world, I would have both of those in my garage, among many others........
yeah the gt3 RS and regular must have the same or very similar 1/4 mile time. Same engine, but the RS has fatter tires which helps out of the box but then that and the aero (even with drs) hold it back…

straight line the mclaren 720 or now the 750 are the kings right?
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Old May 3, 2025 | 12:01 AM
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oh yea the 992 GT3 is 10.8 @ 128, with the RS being slower because of its higher downforce - because of course it's not designed for straight line acceleration (and neither is the regular GT3)

no way - the 750 is a bit slower than the 720 for some reason - 750 runs 10.2 @ 141 - 296 is the king in that league!
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Old May 3, 2025 | 12:02 AM
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oh and about the excess chatter in here, we will get back to the regularly scheduled program.

Actually I am going to move the chatter to............ the Car Chat thread.
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Speed [and reliability] be damned, I'd have a 570S
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Old May 3, 2025 | 08:48 AM
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Originally Posted by PhilB81
I hope that one day I get to see pics of your 296
Thank you for sending that energy my way, much appreciated.
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Old May 3, 2025 | 03:01 PM
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Originally Posted by srika
For fun I looked up some 296 listings and this page came up - it's a local place in North side (Lake Forest IL) - been there before. Holy dang at this lineup of offerings:

https://www.ferrarilakeforest.com/used-vehicles/
A Regera!! That inventory is a lot higher end than my area’s Ferrari dealer.

Originally Posted by srika
oh yea the 992 GT3 is 10.8 @ 128, with the RS being slower because of its higher downforce - because of course it's not designed for straight line acceleration (and neither is the regular GT3)

no way - the 750 is a bit slower than the 720 for some reason - 750 runs 10.2 @ 141 - 296 is the king in that league!
I didn’t realize the 296 is that quick is it faster than the sf90?
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I didn’t realize the 296 is that quick is it faster than the sf90?
No, the SF90 is AWD and even more powerful.
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Old May 4, 2025 | 09:13 PM
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Originally Posted by SamDoe1
No, the SF90 is AWD and even more powerful.
man actually I’m seeing 9.6 @ 148 for the sf90. It’ll be a hell of a race but all signs point to the 296 being slightly faster!
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Consistent 150 traps for the 296
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Old May 5, 2025 | 09:24 AM
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No, the SF90 is AWD and even more powerful.
right, but it’s slightly heavier which might help plant the tires off the line and propulsion from 4 is a massive help but that slows it down later on. Also, I’m not sure how the power curve on the sf90 is vs the 296. Sf90 does have a v8, turbos and hybrid, but maybe the 296 has a bigger area under the curve (power chart). Perhaps the hybrid assistance is higher and better tuned to get the most out of the traction available.

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Consistent 150 traps for the 296
Pfff that’s not that impressive my TL-S can do 160…. ……. …. ….. kph
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Old May 5, 2025 | 11:09 AM
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Hahah. I have a few more thoughts on the 296 though. I do not personally find it to be in exactly the "same lineage" of the aforementioned cars, per se (348. 355, 360, 430, etc). And that is because of how high it leapfrogged performance-wise over its predecessor, the F8 Tributo - which runs around 10.5 @ 139 or so. OK I was really curious about all this so I asked a "friend" about it -











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Old May 5, 2025 | 11:11 AM
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VERY INTERESTING and it finally addresses why I had questions about it - and why I always felt like the 296 doesn't really trace back to the 348, 355, 360, 430, and 458 etc models.

The 296 comes from the SF90 and even the LaFerrari !!! And it goes back to the Dino, with the engine type being the big factor there.

Everything makes so much more sense now.

THANK YOU ChatGPT!
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Old May 5, 2025 | 11:12 AM
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And, ALL OF THIS BEING SAID - WOW - what a bargain it is! And HOW FAR ABOVE it is from the 992GT3RS!!!!

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Whatever trust I had in ChatGPT, was completely eroded. also, it can’t find a pic of an SF90 to save its life.

I can’t imagine the move to a V6 had anything to do with heritage, but everything to do with emissions. Also turbo and hybrid tech allowed for a high output while reducing weight of a smaller block, crank, piston count.
I will give credit that the 296 shrunk in size compared to the F8 predecessor.

Regarding the SF90, I always felt that car didn’t quite fit. In the F40, F50, Enzo, LaFerrari line up, the SF90 wasn’t really there looks and price wise.

personally, I would have preferred a 296 with lower power output, no hybrid, lower weight and tactile buttons on the inside. I also would have preferred a more analog dash, but that’s not a hill I’m dying on.

LOL about the 992 GT3RS. I think the car is cool. I do like how much they extracted out of that engine, suspension and aero package for, a crazy fast Nurburgring lap time.
The 992 GT3RS generating more downforce than a McLaren Senna is really impressive to me. I always thought the Senna is a really ugly car, but I was willing to tolerate it because of that crazy downforce, now Porsche have out done it with a much better looking car and they were a lot more constrained with the style because it has to look like a 911.
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Old May 5, 2025 | 02:23 PM
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LOL yeah have to pardon all the image errors.

BUUUUUUT there is good info in there! And it helped me with my struggle to understand the 296's lineage.
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No man the 296 is essentially a SF90 Lite. So the engine change. Yet for some reason it's faster
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No man the 296 is essentially a SF90 Lite. So the engine change. Yet for some reason it's faster
absolutely wrong, it’s a LaFerrari lite. Hybrid 2wd, just 1/2 the cylinders

I was at the dealer a few months back and they had a GTB version of this one (and also a slightly darker one). Very pretty in person!
https://tampa.ferraridealers.com/en-...-1728024914627
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Sick color!
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Sheesh. If there's an optimal car to live its life on the track, it's got to be that one.



I noticed is my car will shift better if I run through the gears at idle before setting off, especially second gear. I don't know the science, but I've been doing it on all my manual cars and it does seem to help. When it's cold enough, the BRZ will just lock me out of second gear the first time I ask for it.

Anyway, might be worth a try.
yea I’ve started doing that as well. Seems to help as well.

also now that the weather is warming up it’s not as bad. My cayman is due for an oil change ( )
probably gonna mention this. Maybe the tranny fluid needs to be changed
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Originally Posted by PhilB81
absolutely wrong, it’s a LaFerrari lite. Hybrid 2wd, just 1/2 the cylinders

I was at the dealer a few months back and they had a GTB version of this one (and also a slightly darker one). Very pretty in person!
https://tampa.ferraridealers.com/en-...-1728024914627
Whatever it is, it's excellent and especially so in a cool color/spec. I wouldn't kick either the SF90 or 296 out of bed and would take either over a GT3RS.
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Old May 8, 2025 | 09:17 AM
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Originally Posted by PhilB81
absolutely wrong, it’s a LaFerrari lite. Hybrid 2wd, just 1/2 the cylinders

I was at the dealer a few months back and they had a GTB version of this one (and also a slightly darker one). Very pretty in person!
https://tampa.ferraridealers.com/en-...-1728024914627
The SF90 was a LaFerrari Lite....
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https://www.thedrive.com/news/judge-...icas-are-legal


he grey restomod Shelby GT500 Mustang known as “Eleanor” from Gone in 60 Seconds is iconic and immediately recognizable to car nerds. It is not, however, distinctive enough to have its likeness protected by copyright, at least according to the appeals court that has finally settled a case around this issue.

As of May 27, 2025, an appeals court has upheld a previous ruling that stripped the original Gone in 60 Seconds director’s estate of the rights to restrict independent outfits from building replicas of the GT500 that has appeared in four films. Yep, that’s right, four. In addition to the original, there’s Nicolas Cage Gone in 60 Seconds remake, along with a meta-film starring the original film’s director (The Junkman), and a George-Lucas-esque re-imagining of the original dubbed Deadline Auto Theft. One might say that writer-director H. B. Halicki and his estate have been milking poor ole Ellie for all she’s worth since day one, but an appellate court ruling out of Pasadena, Calif., looks like it’ll put this old cow out to pasture for good.

If this sounds familiar, you’re not crazy. The suit brought by the Shelby Trust against Halicki’s surviving wife, Denice (who owns the copyrights to the first three films, in addition to the merchandising rights to Eleanor as it appears in the remake film) was originally ruled on nearly three years ago. Previously, Shelby and Halicki had settled a suit relating to design details being mimicked by Shelby in a “GT500E” replica it sold that looked conspicuously similar (virtually identical, one might say) to the car used in the 2000 remake of Gone in 60 Seconds.

Not long after that suit was settled, Shelby and Classic Recreations came right back with the GT500-CR. Unsurprisingly, Halicki went after both Shelby and CR for violating their settlement agreement, and has since gone after other builders who have ventured into the same space. The Shelby Trust ended up suing in retaliation. Again, Halicki’s lawyers contended that Eleanor was a character and thus protected intellectual property, which would make it illegal for Shelby to build and sell unlicensed replicas. The estate lost the suit, then appealed. That brings us to the most recent ruling and something called the Towle Test.

Named for a copyright case (DC Comics v. Mark Towle) involving unlicensed reproductions of the Adam West-era Batmobile, this is a standard applied to determine whether something constitutes a “character.” All it has to do is check three boxes (cited here directly from the ruling):
  • The character must have “physical as well as conceptual qualities,”
  • The character must be “sufficiently delineated to be recognizable as the same character whenever it appears” and display “consistent, identifiable character traits and attributes,” and
  • The character must be “especially distinctive” and contain “some unique elements of expression.”
According to the court, Eleanor misses all three qualifications.

What hurts Halicki’s case the most is Eleanor’s inconsistent on-screen portrayal and lack of any anthropomorphizing qualities. In other words, Eleanor doesn’t say or do anything distinctive, nor act in any inherently characteristic way. Courts don’t necessarily expect a non-human character to take on K.I.T.T. levels of sentience, but a degree of agency (even if only implied through interaction with actual human or human-esque characters) goes a long way toward making the case that something is a character rather than a prop. And that’s effectively what the court is calling Eleanor—just another prop car.

This is the sort of rational take we expect from those who are fluent in legalese, and while we’re all for opening up the taps to allow replica builders to produce cool stuff, we can’t help but feel a bit let down. Call me a romantic if you must, but I find it hard to imagine just any old car getting Mephis Raines over that wreck on the Vincent Thomas Bridge. That was no mere prop. That was Eleanor.
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I saw an Infiniti QX4 with the three-spoke wheels this morning. Still looks great! Been many years since I've seen one.
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Originally Posted by PhilB81
yeah, I do wish the ADM game was different too. If I was buying purely a track toy though, I would get a clubsport or a cup car, but those are not street legal. Also, for my use, I would rather a 911 S/T, but that’s impossibler to get.
As for Ferrari, the 296 is definitely pretty, but new it’s pretty expensive. I’m not sure it’s holding value great either compared to the f8 predecessor or 488 before that. Personally, I could live with the hybrid and v6 engine, but the capacitive buttons on the steering including start stop kill it.
Good news!!! Ferrari is walking back the capacitive touch issue and going back to buttons on the wheel for newer cars lol.

So...when are you ordering your 296?
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