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That is a rare sight for sure. Too much money for me, I might enjoy the 3.8RS better only because it’s probably 1/2 the money of the 4.0 and it’s definitely not 1/2 the car.
That's a lot of money sitting out there on the grass lol. Probably the only time most of these cars leave a hermetically sealed garage.
I would have mine in one of those inflatable bubble things you drive your car in. If a bird Sh!t on my f50 seats, I’d put them on the endangered species list.
I’ve got a continued impression over the years that a lot of these people couldn’t care less about such things. Must be nice to have THAT much dinero that none of that stuff matters.
I’ve got a continued impression over the years that a lot of these people couldn’t care less about such things. Must be nice to have THAT much dinero that none of that stuff matters.
Yup, cars like the F40 and F50 are just art pieces at this point. Ain't no one gonna drive them anymore and they'll just sit in the garage with the 50 other cars that they own.
Yeah, I fully realized this a couple years ago when I saw an owner (billionaire) casually driving his Huayra roadster, with the top down, while its raining out.
Oh wait, guess we are saying 2 different things. My point is that like, if a bird shit on a car like that, the owner don't care. They'll just pay $1000 to a detailer to have it fixed all up perfect.
Yeah, I fully realized this a couple years ago when I saw an owner (billionaire) casually driving his Huayra roadster, with the top down, while its raining out.
The guy I met with a 57 300SL Gullwing, was driving it in the rain
At the time, it was worth around $2M
Oh wait, guess we are saying 2 different things. My point is that like, if a bird shit on a car like that, the owner don't care. They'll just pay $1000 to a detailer to have it fixed all up perfect.
Oh absolutely but my point is that they don't get driven because of the 50 other cars that they'd rather drive. I'd imagine that there are a lot of cars that are better to drive than a F40 is and when your collection is 50 cars deep, you're probably going to wheel out something more modern, fixable, and better to drive than the older stuff that's worth an absolute fortune and is irreplaceable at this point. It's not just a bird shitting on the car, that's not a big deal, but getting side swiped by a Prius is going to cause a bit more of a headache.
Just because people are rich doesn't mean they're necessarily blind to the fact that some of these cars are museum pieces and irreplaceable. The insurance has also got to be crazy with stipulations on miles and when/how they come out. Probably also why you don't really see F40's and F50's on track days either unless it's some super special very controlled event lol.
Thoughts on the Fiesta ST?
The Mini has a persistent misfire, only at idle, and it's got me browsing. Got the lean condition resolved, but keep getting an intermittent cyl 1 misfire.
Found a FiST very close to me that looks to be stock & in good shape [at a local Ford dealer].
Oh wait, guess we are saying 2 different things. My point is that like, if a bird shit on a car like that, the owner don't care. They'll just pay $1000 to a detailer to have it fixed all up perfect.
a concourse level of detail is going to be a lot more than $1000. Especially on a car like an F50.
Thoughts on the Fiesta ST?
The Mini has a persistent misfire, only at idle, and it's got me browsing. Got the lean condition resolved, but keep getting an intermittent cyl 1 misfire.
Found a FiST very close to me that looks to be stock & in good shape [at a local Ford dealer].
Get a Focus ST instead. It's bigger, more comfortable, and faster.
None within 100 miles [2 available, but one is black & the other is more than I want to spend]. Looking for a relatively cheap commuter that won't be a Euro pain of constant small fixes like the Mini is turning into.
Figure I can DD it a while then my oldest can take it when she starts driving.
here’s a school in Michigan called Northwood University that offers classes in various areas of the automotive industry. It has an Automotive & Mobility MBA program, an auto marketing and management program, and an aftermarket management program. As of Fall 2025, the school will also have a Motorsports Essentials workshop series. Next year, it’s adding a course called Fundamentals of Motorsports (management, not driving).
I hadn’t heard of Northwood until this press release about the school’s programming came across my desk this week. But there are something like 6,000 colleges in America, and my high school guidance counselors never really discussed any institutions outside New England when I was looking into higher ed myself.
For those of you course-shopping now, if you’re into cars, this might be something worth putting on your radar. The auto biz and aftermarket management classes have been established, but the new motorsports programming starts this fall (just about a month from now, actually).
The school posted that “students will complete a combination of Northwood courses and experiential learning opportunities at motorsports industry events, in addition to the motorsports workshop series,” going through a Motorsports Essentials workshop program. And, you get a little badge on your degree, I guess. Next year, the school’s going to have its Fundamentals of Motorsports class for new and current students.
The first workshop will be held on October 18th, 2025, at the Northwood University Idea Center. “Hear from a mix of Northwood faculty and guest lecturers from the motorsports and sports management industries, including executives, media personalities, engineers, and team principals,” the school’s catalog states.
A Mr. Steve Madincea, Northwood alumnus that the school credits with “creating innovative commercial activities in Formula 1, NASCAR, IndyCar, and IMSA,” will lead the motorsports-focused programming, wrangle guest speakers, and so on.
“The motorsports workshop series and motorsports fundamentals course will be taught by a mix of Northwood faculty and guest lecturers from the motorsports and sports management industries, including executives, media personalities, engineers, and team principals. Its experiential learning model ensures graduates will leave with comprehensive academic knowledge and highly valued real-world experience from high-profile global motorsports enterprises and events,” says Northwood’s release.
I can’t say if the value of this curriculum will equal the cost (Northwood approximates its cost of attendance at $49,600), but I dig the idea of being able to study the inner workings and business complexities of motorsports. All I’ve ever heard about the economics of car racing is that “if you want to make a small fortune in motorsport, start with a big one,” so, here’s hoping the people who go through these classes will be able to do a little better.
If you’re too young to remember the Y2K era, I can sum it up pretty succinctly: Weird. But why tell when I can show? Just look at the picture above. And let me be clear: The Plymouth Prowler was pretty out-there even for the year 2000, but viewing it through the lens of the 2025 automotive landscape just makes it seem even more unhinged.
Visually, it was a direct appeal to hot-rodders, coming as close as possible to outright ignoring modern safety standards in an effort to evoke the chopped-and-slammed look that was synonymous with classic iron. And it looked the part, mostly in that it looked nothing like the melted-soap-bar sedans sold alongside it. By comparison, the Prowler was sleek and sinister. Remember, we were still doing minivans in 2001; the notion of Ram as a standalone brand would have elicited laughter from contemporary journalists.
It weighed about the same as the Honda S2000—2,800 pounds—and made similar power, but did it not with a high-revving four-cylinder and snick-y, six-speed gearbox, but with a minivan-spec V6 and a four-speed automatic. Snoozeville. That’s where Michel’s Auto Design comes in. This Wisconsin-based shop is offering a modest turnkey package that transforms your stock V6 Prowler into a Hellcat-powered, stick-shift monster.
We’ve seen Hellcat-swapped Prowlers before, but so far, but we’ve yet to see a shop offer this as a standing build. The “Sinister” package includes a Mopar crate Hellcat motor (rated at the same 707 horsepower as the standard road engine), a Tremec T56 6-speed manual gearbox, a custom independent rear suspension, custom valved exhaust with integrated X-pipe, an upgraded cooling system, custom hood vents, and a front bumper delete.
Well, in the late 90s to 2000 Chryslers engine were pretty abysmal. I had a grand Cherokee with the 5.2 and it was pretty crap, they had the 5.9L in the limited and that was 240hp or so, and when they went to the Jeep WJ they had the 4.7 235hp.
I can’t remember if the v6 came from the intrepid, 300m or LHS, but all those went from midsize to luxury sedan, not a fit at all for a sports car and no manual bolted to any of those. Other than 4cyl engines and the straight 6 4.0L, I’m not sure which engines had a manual option. I guess the viper / RAM, but I don’t think that fits in the prowler, I think it gets too narrow.
Well, in the late 90s to 2000 Chryslers engine were pretty abysmal. I had a grand Cherokee with the 5.2 and it was pretty crap, they had the 5.9L in the limited and that was 240hp or so, and when they went to the Jeep WJ they had the 4.7 235hp.
I can’t remember if the v6 came from the intrepid, 300m or LHS, but all those went from midsize to luxury sedan, not a fit at all for a sports car and no manual bolted to any of those. Other than 4cyl engines and the straight 6 4.0L, I’m not sure which engines had a manual option. I guess the viper / RAM, but I don’t think that fits in the prowler, I think it gets too narrow.
In 97', I owned a 95' Chrysler LHS. Green and light tan interior. It was a luxo-boat, but the 3.5L was very reliable. I drove all over Europe with it. As long as I didn't go over 100mph with it she was great. What was wild was when I did go over 100, the back end would rise up a little. Yeah, the car was long but the trunk deck was very rounded and a bit stubby for a car that big. The only major work I had to do was front wheel bearings and a water pump. I sold her in 2004.
When we were in HS, friend's mom had a Concorde. Massive whale of a car, could probably fit 3-4 average HS kids in the trunk
Nothing memorable about it other than the size & enormous trunk.
In 97', I owned a 95' Chrysler LHS. Green and light tan interior. It was a luxo-boat, but the 3.5L was very reliable. I drove all over Europe with it. As long as I didn't go over 100mph with it she was great. What was wild was when I did go over 100, the back end would rise up a little. Yeah, the car was long but the trunk deck was very rounded and a bit stubby for a car that big. The only major work I had to do was front wheel bearings and a water pump. I sold her in 2004.
you drove a 3.5L in Europe?! With the money you would have saved on fuel with an econobox and invested in the S&P500 you could have had a Ferrari now
Originally Posted by 00TL-P3.2
When we were in HS, friend's mom had a Concorde. Massive whale of a car, could probably fit 3-4 average HS kids in the trunk
Nothing memorable about it other than the size & enormous trunk.
Yeah, friend of mine, his parents had a Dodge Intrepid which I think is roughly the same car. The interior was a sea of gray plastic. Maybe his was slightly worse because it was a low trim with cloth seats.
I was a student pilot when the Cirrus came out. The tiny airport I flew out of had a test flight for a customer [SR20, I think, wouldve been around 2003-04], along with a new Cessna 182.
IIRC, he bought the Cirrus. I had a lesson, but a couple pilots that were there got a quick hot rod ride in it before the demo headed back to base.
As of 21 September 2021, CAPS had been activated 126 times, 107 of which saw successful parachute deployment. In those successful deployments, there were 220 survivors and one death.
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