Yet wants a Ford Fusion / Model 3.. I'm even more confused

 

Yah that is the part i dont understand.... I do not consider Ford Fusion to be anywhere close to the luxury segment...

I mean if he was going to consider Ford Fusion, might as get the Accord...

 

Says a lot about Acura... Them high falutin' fancypants lux-ur-eee Ford Fusions!

 

Just buy my MBZ off me

 

When I said near luxury I just meant something better than a Civic. Something with leather and the auto cruise that really helps with rush hour traffic. I have had a couple of Fords so I’m used to their technology but wouldn’t put it and an Audi in the same class. I just didn’t realize at the time how poorly some of these cars lease. That, and the bullshit they pull to get the technology I want.

The reason for all this is I have two dogs that shed like fucking crazy and I don’t have a car to drive that isn’t a disaster from them.

So, when the Mazda is paid off in August, I will have the ability to do something again. That’s why I was thinking of a lease. And the 2005 STi has like 23,000 miles on it so I’m not going to trash that in rush hour.

If, in 24 or 30 months, there are new EV options or perhaps fewer issues with the Tesla 3 paint quality then I would feel comfortable buying one.

Ultimately, I’m trying to bridge a few years until I feel like there might be better options.

 

Legacy 3.6R with EyeSight? Even the 2.5i isn't bad.

 

If you're dead set on leasing, I'd say look into the Volvo sedans. If you're open to buying, I'd look at the Accord but realize you'll lose a bunch of cash on it when you sell. The leases for new Accords is also not bad either. The best bet for buying is getting a used car and offloading it in the future.

 

I personally wouldn't bother with the 3.6R, the 2.5i is more than fine and the gas mileage is a lot better. Also, if an Outback is a possibility, I'd just get a new one as they don't depreciate much and it's easy enough to get a good deal on it. The new 2.4T motor is much better than the older ones.

 

^ True. I haven't driven the 2.4T, but I wasn't disappointed with my short time with the 2.5i.
I'd put the OB over the Legacy, too; unless you're wanting a sport-ier drive that I assume the slightly lower Legacy would give.

 

The advantage of the Legacy is that it's WAY WAY cheaper.

 

Genesis is throwing $6000 lease cash and $2500 to the dealer on 2019 G70s. I bet those cars are an interesting used buy?

 

Used Cadillac ATS...?

 

The depreciation on any Hyundai/Kia product is epic. Get a used one and you'll easily beat those discounts.

 

I almost forgot... Look into Lease Honda SUVs.... Our company leased 2 with 0 drive off... at the end, we sold it to Carmax for about $2k in profit instead of returning it... something to think about..
Not gonna work with any of the "luxury" brand tho..

 

Would a Golf GTI gently used be viable as well?

 

GTI doesn’t seem to lease well. This car is really to hold over until I have a place where I can charge an EV (which I don’t right now).

 

Okay, then I go back to my Cadillac ATS suggestion.

Lexus IS also is crossing my mind but I don't know about the leasing terms either and if that fits your criteria.

 

Buy a used one and sell it in two years for not a ton of loss. Would be cheaper than leasing anything. GTI can be had with all of the driver aids like ACC and blind spot as well.

Even if you buy for 20k, sell for 15k = $5k loss and you get the $15k back at the end...or whatever you have in equity at that point if you're doing a loan.
Leasing anything for $400/mo for 24mo is $9600 loss, $14400 if you go 3 yrs and you get nothing back at the end.

 

That is a good point; it’s not like I can claim a business expense.

 

The Golf R doesn’t really depreciate much does it? Year old models are still in the high $30K range.

 

No, not really. The Golf R has far less depreciation than a GTI. You can easily get into a used GTI Autobahn for mid 20's now. Make sure you get a 18+ to get the refreshed design for both the GTI and the R. The R gets a different transmission and gauge cluster for 18 as well.

Edit: The MY18/MY19 models also get a 6yr 72k mile bumper to bumper factory warranty so that's another thing to consider.

 

Shiett.. fuck an EV, get a Golf R and keep it

 

Except you will be driving a brand new car with full warranty, full features, latest tech... That is gotta be worth something right? and the feeling of driving a new car...

you are not going to get ANYTHING back either way. It is just which path do you prefer... pay more for more or pay less for less...

 

I’ve heard their safety and auto cruise can be wonky. Have you had any issues?

 

There's no tangible difference between a 2018 Golf and a brand new one, it's the same car through and through. The warranty is there for 6/72 so no big deal for someone wanting it for a limited duration.

You're certainly not getting less for less, that's for sure.

Nope, has worked flawlessly so far. It's actually a way better system than the eyesight one in the Subie.

 

EyeSight is the only one I have any tangible experience (couple days) with, and my biggest 'complaint' with it, is that it can take a second or two (feels like eternity) to accelerate once the gap opens up, either from a car moving out of your lane or turning. Just seems to sit there for a sec before it takes off.

 

They all do that as a safety mitigation to someone rapidly changing their mind.

 

FWIW, if charliemike is considering a Golf R, then go get a Hyundaudi.

Just don't debadge like me and get it mistaken for a Korean car.

 

He's considering a ford fusion
And you're suggesting a 70k Audi

 

Yeah the Audi is a great car but not what I want. Especially if we move to Virginia and have an annual car tax of $4.25 per $100 in assessed value. Doesn’t make sense to pay that on something I don’t truly want.

I’m not sold on the R; was just surprised it doesn’t depreciate like other VWs.

 

Wasn't suggesting a NEW Audi, man.

But, if he's going after a VW Golf R, he could consider a used 2014 S4 which would be what, $20K...? Or 2017 S3...?

Where are you getting a $70K suggestion from? Chill, Holmes.

 

A S3 is a Golf R without the hatch and includes such awesome features as far more depreciation and less utility.

A 2014 S4 is in a different technology league compared to a modern R or GTI.

 

I wish they didn't saddle the manual transmission Golf R with such a poosey ass clutch.

 

I personally have no issues with either of the clutches my car came with.

 

That’s one too many.

 

^ Clearly the Jesko isn't for you then.
https://www.roadandtrack.com/new-car...-how-it-works/

 

How about a used 2013 Focus ST in good condition? Would allow you to get back into one and have a fun DD with good gas mileage.

 

Does it happen to be silver with light mods?

 

With the M/T STi coming soon, I appreciate the offer

 

Ran out of gas for the first time in the almost 20 years I've been driving.

Took the Indian out for a spin & a run to the grocery store. Had it sputter at a stop sign, pulled into the next gas station & it died as I stopped at the pump [lucky].
Bike doesn't have a fuel gauge & I didn't think to check the tank before I took off. Glad I didn't have to push a 600lb bike up the hill there. Also glad it was on the quite simple bike & not the Merc.