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Old Jun 3, 2020 | 03:12 PM
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Originally Posted by 00TL-P3.2
E63 Estate, do it Sam.
i dont know man... There is a big difference between $75k and $110k...

at that price, he could get a used Lambo with 190k miles..
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Old Jun 3, 2020 | 03:21 PM
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Sell the wife's Outback to split the difference, have her daily the E63.
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Old Jun 3, 2020 | 03:31 PM
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RS5 Sportback.... !!! if you can live with Auto...

But it feels like it will be "underpowered" compare to the upcoming 500hp+ M3/M4

I dont see you as a Benz guy....

I still can't believe i am saying RS5 is underpowred hahah
I'm fine with the auto at this point, I've made my peace with it. As much as I'd love to have my next DD be a manual, I can't see it happening.

As tempting as the RS5 is, it's hard to ignore the performance value of the Model 3P...

Also, not a bunch of discounts to be had on a RS5 though I do love that green color quite a lot.

Used RS5 SB's aren't off lease yet, that's when the prices will come down in late 2021 or early 2022.

Originally Posted by 00TL-P3.2
E63 Estate, do it Sam.
Also a contender but so expensive even used...that said they do hold their value quite well.
Originally Posted by Aman
Genesis G70 comes in manual.
Not in the engine I'd want.
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Old Jun 3, 2020 | 03:32 PM
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Originally Posted by 00TL-P3.2
Sell the wife's Outback to split the difference, have her daily the E63.
The day my accountant wife will daily drive a $110k mercedes wagon will be a cold day in hell.
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Old Jun 3, 2020 | 03:36 PM
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The day my accountant wife will daily drive a $110k mercedes wagon will be a cold day in hell.
The cornerstone to every happy marriage is lies and deceit. You just need to be more creative.

Sad.
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Old Jun 3, 2020 | 03:40 PM
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Originally Posted by SamDoe1
I'm fine with the auto at this point, I've made my peace with it. As much as I'd love to have my next DD be a manual, I can't see it happening.

As tempting as the RS5 is, it's hard to ignore the performance value of the Model 3P...

Also, not a bunch of discounts to be had on a RS5 though I do love that green color quite a lot.

Used RS5 SB's aren't off lease yet, that's when the prices will come down in late 2021 or early 2022.
To be honest, i was one of those "never auto" guy.. i DDed manual for a whole decade in LA traffic...

I am actually OK with ZF8 now... after having 2 of them.. it is not a boring auto...

as far as straight line acceleration goes, it is hard to beat Model 3P... I have motion sickness so i personally would never own one..
But i need the exhaust noise... and better interior than the IKEA show room
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Old Jun 3, 2020 | 03:55 PM
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Originally Posted by oonowindoo
To be honest, i was one of those "never auto" guy.. i DDed manual for a whole decade in LA traffic...

I am actually OK with ZF8 now... after having 2 of them.. it is not a boring auto...

as far as straight line acceleration goes, it is hard to beat Model 3P... I have motion sickness so i personally would never own one..
But i need the exhaust noise... and better interior than the IKEA show room
Really like Teslas but agree so much about the exhaust and interior. Would be nice if they could offer some luxurious interior packages, or a HUD. You get used to the HVAC controls, but no matter what its never as good as having physical controls you can adjust without looking.
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Old Jun 3, 2020 | 04:01 PM
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As innovative as Tesla is, i am very surprised they are not the leader in HUD.... Their interior design is actually designed to have HUD if you think about ... and not just any HUD,, a futuristic HUD...

With no gauges on the driver side and you have to move your head for everything... HUD is a must.
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Old Jun 4, 2020 | 11:19 AM
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I offered to put the summer tires back on my brother's Accord. Here's what I found on one of them:


Obviously they're being replaced. These are old and dry-rotted. But I've never seen a tire come apart like this before. Have any of you guys seen this?
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Old Jun 4, 2020 | 11:32 AM
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That looks worn through. Like it locked up and was dragging.
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Old Jun 4, 2020 | 11:35 AM
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How old is the tire?

Gonna pull a guess from out of my ass, but my thinking is the camber wear was exacerbated due to a flat spot in that location, therefore wearing it even faster than normal and localizing it to such a small spot. I could be completely wrong, of course... think you'd need to look at the whole tire, consider if the car was sitting for a while, alignment, etc.

Tires do some weird shit. Justrolledintotheshop is an amusing subreddit to see general oddball crap that happens to cars
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Old Jun 4, 2020 | 12:06 PM
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Old Jun 4, 2020 | 12:23 PM
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Originally Posted by cu2wagon
That looks worn through. Like it locked up and was dragging.
That's what I thought initially as well. I asked my brother if it was ever towed, he said no. And he's definitely not one to do handbrake turns. I don't know how else it could have been flat-spotted, especially localized like that.

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How old is the tire?

Gonna pull a guess from out of my ass, but my thinking is the camber wear was exacerbated due to a flat spot in that location, therefore wearing it even faster than normal and localizing it to such a small spot. I could be completely wrong, of course... think you'd need to look at the whole tire, consider if the car was sitting for a while, alignment, etc.

Tires do some weird shit. Justrolledintotheshop is an amusing subreddit to see general oddball crap that happens to cars
Tire has a 2013 build date on it, probably original to the car (it's a 2014). As far as I know it was driven daily until around mid-November. The tires were laid flat and stored indoors since then.

I'm going to take a good look at the winters when they come off the car. That should indicate whether an alignment is necessary.

Also a fan of Justrolledintotheshop. Maybe I'll post it there
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Old Jun 4, 2020 | 12:24 PM
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Nice ST, Aman! didnt know you picked one up!
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Old Jun 4, 2020 | 12:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Aman
That's what I thought initially as well. I asked my brother if it was ever towed, he said no. And he's definitely not one to do handbrake turns. I don't know how else it could have been flat-spotted, especially localized like that.



Tire has a 2013 build date on it, probably original to the car (it's a 2014). As far as I know it was driven daily until around mid-November. The tires were laid flat and stored indoors since then.

I'm going to take a good look at the winters when they come off the car. That should indicate whether an alignment is necessary.

Also a fan of Justrolledintotheshop. Maybe I'll post it there

My GF's previous Civic had flat spot problem... and eventually it became more noise on the freeway ... Turned out i had to change the shocks... That was when i learned broken shock could cause flat and bold spots on tires.
I can't see the picture you posted, blocked from work.
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Old Jun 4, 2020 | 02:32 PM
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Originally Posted by cu2wagon
The cornerstone to every happy marriage is lies and deceit. You just need to be more creative.

Sad.
The real cornerstone to every marriage: Happy wife, happy life.

Originally Posted by oonowindoo
To be honest, i was one of those "never auto" guy.. i DDed manual for a whole decade in LA traffic...

I am actually OK with ZF8 now... after having 2 of them.. it is not a boring auto...

as far as straight line acceleration goes, it is hard to beat Model 3P... I have motion sickness so i personally would never own one..
But i need the exhaust noise... and better interior than the IKEA show room
Yeah, the interior isn't the greatest but it's a nice place to be. The autopilot is great for road trips and the acceleration is a ton of fun. Also, my commute to work (though currently zero) is about 2 miles each way so in the winter my car isn't even warm by then. The EV makes a lot of sense for me in that regard. So, unless someone surprises me with an awesome manual sport sedan that isn't fugly, my next ride will probably be the Tesla...or a E63 wagon (used) or a Panamera wagon (used).

Originally Posted by oonowindoo
As innovative as Tesla is, i am very surprised they are not the leader in HUD.... Their interior design is actually designed to have HUD if you think about ... and not just any HUD,, a futuristic HUD...

With no gauges on the driver side and you have to move your head for everything... HUD is a must.
What I've read is that it's an Elon thing. He just doesn't want it in the car for some bizarre reason.

Originally Posted by Aman
I offered to put the summer tires back on my brother's Accord. Here's what I found on one of them:

Obviously they're being replaced. These are old and dry-rotted. But I've never seen a tire come apart like this before. Have any of you guys seen this?
That looks like it was drug across pavement for a decent distance. I can't explain that level of localized wear though.

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That's what I thought initially as well. I asked my brother if it was ever towed, he said no. And he's definitely not one to do handbrake turns. I don't know how else it could have been flat-spotted, especially localized like that.

Tire has a 2013 build date on it, probably original to the car (it's a 2014). As far as I know it was driven daily until around mid-November. The tires were laid flat and stored indoors since then.

I'm going to take a good look at the winters when they come off the car. That should indicate whether an alignment is necessary.

Also a fan of Justrolledintotheshop. Maybe I'll post it there
The winters aren't off the car yet?!?!
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Old Jun 4, 2020 | 02:42 PM
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Originally Posted by SamDoe1
Originally Posted by cu2wagon
The cornerstone to every happy marriage is lies and deceit. You just need to be more creative.
The real cornerstone to every marriage: Happy wife, happy life.
How else do you expect to achieve that?
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Old Jun 5, 2020 | 07:30 AM
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Originally Posted by SamDoe1
What I've read is that it's an Elon thing. He just doesn't want it in the car for some bizarre reason.

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Old Jun 5, 2020 | 12:55 PM
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Maybe he can't get his headsup.. that is why he is against all headup related features...
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Old Jun 5, 2020 | 02:09 PM
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Originally Posted by SamDoe1
I'd honestly wait a year or two or until the facelift hits before getting a M3. This design is so widely hated that they'll probably change or tweak it to be better.

The person who did this design should get fired.
Leaked... I mean it is better than 4 series... But... pretty laughable..






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Old Jun 5, 2020 | 02:10 PM
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Old Jun 5, 2020 | 02:20 PM
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Looks like it's going to down a tree in your yard to build into a dam to live in.
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Old Jun 5, 2020 | 02:29 PM
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Cleft lip.

Probably has a whistle too.
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Old Jun 5, 2020 | 02:36 PM
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I'm willing to bet money that front end doesn't last 2 years on the market before a redesign.

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The winters aren't off the car yet?!?!
The car has been driven maybe 3 times since it became summer tire weather here
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Old Jun 5, 2020 | 02:45 PM
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I hope Audi retunes their S4/S5, RS4/5 engine for 2021 to match BMW's #s at least on paper... It is their time to steal some sales from BMW (4 series coupe, Gran coupe and M3/M4)
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Old Jun 5, 2020 | 03:13 PM
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That's fair. I can appreciate that for sure. 10% off MSRP is tempting though...



M3 will have the same face? I thought it would be based off the 3 series?
I was just checkiing the X3M forum prices...

Some ppl are getting 13% off MSRP before Incentives... and we are not talking about the typical BS $1000 loyalty incentive.. but $8k

I checked it seems ppl are generally getting 10% off + 7k incentives on average...
60k is how much my freaking 340i is!!!!!! in case if you can't tell.... i am getting pretty excited for some reason

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X3m purchase: 76.5k
discount: 13%
rebates: 8k
total: 58.6k
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MSRP: $81750
Price: $71280
Incentives: $5000 + $1000 credit 1st & second pmt
Drive off: $3k
Payment $805 including tax

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There's no way in hell BMW doesn't do damage control on that grille. Gonna be a repeat of the Camaro or old Acura beak.
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Old Jun 5, 2020 | 08:41 PM
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Old Jun 6, 2020 | 09:20 AM
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That grille is just bad, bad, bad design.
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People are gonna buy the 4-series regardless, because BMW

That front end is an atrocity though, if they honestly don't change it within a year or two I will be surprised. But if they don't, I won't be surprised because of what I said above #circularlogic
FIXED: Some people are gonna buy the 4-series regardless, because BMW. Lots of push back on the BMW forum, many hoping for a mid-cycle miracle. Bangle Butt II

Personally, did not get a 2021 4-series to replace the '18 440 because, fugly grill. Unfortunate because the rest of the car looks very good. Pretty much a 5/8 scale 8 series coupe.

General comment on the HUD. Would not buy a car that did not have one. Nice add to my Z4, the Launch Control Active Icon & RPM indicator are now moved up to the HUD from the main panel. Had never bothered to use it in the past cars because I did not want to be looking down on launch. Passed 1,000 miles during the week so I tried it out. Robot 2 - BEAR 0. This old guy is becoming obsolete. If the Tesla was not a ugly frog with a kit car interior & no HUD, I could get one & take a nap on the way to the beach.

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That grille is just bad, bad, bad design.
Now...imagine that on an X4 or X6.
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Now...imagine that on an X4 or X6.
Would the beaver teef be even bigger?
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Originally Posted by oonowindoo
I was just checkiing the X3M forum prices...

Some ppl are getting 13% off MSRP before Incentives... and we are not talking about the typical BS $1000 loyalty incentive.. but $8k

I checked it seems ppl are generally getting 10% off + 7k incentives on average...
60k is how much my freaking 340i is!!!!!! in case if you can't tell.... i am getting pretty excited for some reason

Example:
No way, I find this hard to believe. Where is the $8k incentive coming from and what are the qualifiers?
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Originally Posted by BEAR-AvHistory
FIXED: Some people are gonna buy the 4-series regardless, because BMW. Lots of push back on the BMW forum, many hoping for a mid-cycle miracle. Bangle Butt II

Personally, did not get a 2021 4-series to replace the '18 440 because, fugly grill. Unfortunate because the rest of the car looks very good. Pretty much a 5/8 scale 8 series coupe.

General comment on the HUD. Would not buy a car that did not have one. Nice add to my Z4, the Launch Control Active Icon & RPM indicator are now moved up to the HUD from the main panel. Had never bothered to use it in the past cars because I did not want to be looking down on launch. Passed 1,000 miles during the week so I tried it out. Robot 2 - BEAR 0. This old guy is becoming obsolete. If the Tesla was not a ugly frog with a kit car interior & no HUD, I could get one & take a nap on the way to the beach.
Agreed.... i am literally forcing myself to consider 4 series at this point.. cuz i really miss the my old 435GC... The idea of having the practicality of a hatch without sacrificing the driving characteristic of a coupe is what i want...
The X3M offers the practicality... but it is still an SUV... you cant defeat physics..

This is so irritating.. haha First World Problem...
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who knew nobody wanted a 500-hp grocery / soccer suv?
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Old Jun 8, 2020 | 01:12 PM
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Plenty of ppl want SUV... probably more ppl want SUV than cars now...

But i am one of those still holding out... even tho every vehicle in my household (except mine) and my gf's household is some kind of SUV now...

The fast and the furious in me is still alive
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