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There was frost around here this week in the mornings. I have reluctantly broken out my blazer to fend off the chill.
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Spun through 2nd gear this morning with the PSS in 37F weather. Can't find traction...
Usually wait until mid-November to swap out. This cold snap sucks. Average high for this day is supposed to be 75F.
Usually wait until mid-November to swap out. This cold snap sucks. Average high for this day is supposed to be 75F.
I thoroughly enjoyed the rain over the weekend ... especially since it hasn't really rained in what feels like months
.I must have really shitty all-seasons (plenty of tread left), but spinning first, second, and partially into 3rd was not an issue at all in the wet.
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I agree, I'm usually rolling on summers well into November. Now I'm ready to swap probably next week.
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I had to throw the winters on last weekend. Temps were -1C and we got 6 inches of snow.
Tomorrow its supposed to be +20C and not a spec of snow remains
get the fuck outta here if you think I’m changing wheels again for another week of driving.
Tomorrow its supposed to be +20C and not a spec of snow remains
get the fuck outta here if you think I’m changing wheels again for another week of driving.
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How do you guys shift with a manual?
When I first started driving, a friend gave me a good tip, to unload the transmission by letting off the gas, shifting it into neutral, then depressing the clutch, and finally shifting into gear in one fluid motion. I end up shifting smoother than the owners of the car if they don't use this technique.
I don't think there's any extra wear on the synchros or anything else. After all, I clutch in to go into gear. Right?
When I first started driving, a friend gave me a good tip, to unload the transmission by letting off the gas, shifting it into neutral, then depressing the clutch, and finally shifting into gear in one fluid motion. I end up shifting smoother than the owners of the car if they don't use this technique.
I don't think there's any extra wear on the synchros or anything else. After all, I clutch in to go into gear. Right?
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Shift it out of gear and into neutral without touching the clutch pedal??? 
I think someone wants you to break your car - I have NEVER heard of that being an option with manual trans.
I think someone wants you to break your car - I have NEVER heard of that being an option with manual trans.
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I've always driven this way, in old cars and new. Domestic and imports.
I feel like there is no harm. Shifting into gear without the clutch even if done properly, causes more wear on the synchros. But you're disengaging the gears, not meshing them. Very important that you fully lift off the gas before pulling the shifter out.
Never noted any rougher shifting or slipping clutches in any of my cars. It's faster and smoother.
I feel like there is no harm. Shifting into gear without the clutch even if done properly, causes more wear on the synchros. But you're disengaging the gears, not meshing them. Very important that you fully lift off the gas before pulling the shifter out.
Never noted any rougher shifting or slipping clutches in any of my cars. It's faster and smoother.
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When you perform clutchless shifting, you are creating a large amount of unneeded wear on your synchros. By wearing these out, you'll be required to rebuild your transmission sooner than by utilizing normal shifting methods. With the clutchless method you are using, you are causing these the synchros to attempt to mesh until the correct rpm is met, even if it is for a short period of time. This is where the wear will occur. Even if it is a short period of time, there is just about no way you can hit this exact every time. If you feel that you are, you are more than likely fooling yourself. Any resistance during the shift is unneeded wear on the synchros.
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Even if you're off the gas, that doesn't at all mean the transmission is unloaded. It's definitely still being driven by the engine. The clutch is there to actually unload the transmission lol.
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to be clear, Costco isn't talking about clutchless shifting
He's just popping it into neutral before disengaging the clutch to pop it into gear
If anything, as long as the trans is coming down, he's saving wear on the clutch
He's just popping it into neutral before disengaging the clutch to pop it into gear
If anything, as long as the trans is coming down, he's saving wear on the clutch
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wut? This is exactly what he's doing.
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Letting off the gas and then shifting into neutral without the clutch, then depressing the clutch and shifting into the next gear? First I've ever heard of that technique. Why not just double clutch with that process?
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I dont know the purpose of that... but it seems like it s a much slower process since you have to do the clutch in the middle of the shifting process vs. Clutch pedal to the floor until the process is completed.
i also dont thnk it will help with the smoothness since it is the same thing at the very end (letting go the clutch)
i also dont thnk it will help with the smoothness since it is the same thing at the very end (letting go the clutch)
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How is he saving wear on the clutch? The clutch doesn't wear when you disengage, only upon engagement. Shifting out of gear and into neutral without using the clutch isn't doing anything to save wear on the clutch and it's doing some unknown thing to the rest of the transmission.
If he disengages in gear it's taking the shock of both assemblies
If he disengages in neutral, the trans isn't working against the clutch
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Is this the type of friend who you share beers with?
Or the type of friend you and your bros eiffel tower his daughter with?
Asking for a friend
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I'm the only person here that does it this way?
Just some clarifications...
There should never be higher than normal resistance when getting into or out of gear. Should pull out of gear with a finger or two.
Your clutch pedal should pass the catch point completely before the shifter goes into the next gate.
I basically only do the into neutral thing without the clutch during braking or immediately after lifting off the gas completely. Again, it should feel very natural.
I still clutch in to go N when coasting in traffic. You will feel the resistance when the drivetrain isn't unloaded.
If you aren't weetoddid and it's done correctly, it will be much easier to drive smoothly.
Just some clarifications...
There should never be higher than normal resistance when getting into or out of gear. Should pull out of gear with a finger or two.
Your clutch pedal should pass the catch point completely before the shifter goes into the next gate.
I basically only do the into neutral thing without the clutch during braking or immediately after lifting off the gas completely. Again, it should feel very natural.
I still clutch in to go N when coasting in traffic. You will feel the resistance when the drivetrain isn't unloaded.
If you aren't weetoddid and it's done correctly, it will be much easier to drive smoothly.