That's unpossible!

 

 

just a race car sitting in a warehouse....

 

My mistake. Although these guys seem to think both Beemer and Beamer refer to the motorcycles:

Boston Chapter BMW CCA - Bimmer vs. Beemer


You're absolutely right though, Bimmer is the car term. Brain fart.

/semantics

 

finally saw a black A3 convertible yesterday... first thing came to my mind - VW Eos.

 

It's a better car though.

 

maybe it is better. Never drove one.

But the overall feel on the road just reminded me so much like Eos.. very feminine.

 

C&D Lightning Lap 2014
Z/28 Car and Driver Lightning Lap Results! - Camaro5 Chevy Camaro Forum / Camaro ZL1, SS and V6 Forums - Camaro5.com

VIR Lap Times

 

A 3,800 lb, 500 horsepower Camaro is within a tenth of a second of a 3,400 lb, 730 horsepower Ferrari

Then you have the 918 that has a 6 second gap on the next fastest car holy shit.

 

so much respect!!!!! look at the MPH - that Z28 is BOOKING around the corners!

need video

 

The M235i is seriously fast.

Though I would have thought it was faster than the CLA45. I wonder if the X-drive would be?

 

Those are the two things that stood out to me too. Also interesting how the Camaro stacked up against the Corvette. Viper did pretty good, too!

 

Damn.. that Stingray is mighty impressive.. Chevy really did knock it out of the park with the C7.

 

Why the heck is the IS350 so low on that results list?!? Must be rigged.



We all know the IS350 is greater than 1222543 Poopdicks strapped together with bacon.

 

From what i have seen, CLA45 is considerably faster than M235i in the straight.

I think that is where the 2 secs come from. They are comparable in the corners.

 

Not sure if I should be impressed or not considering the Camaro is really a track-oriented car on a barely legal slick tire & the Ferrari isn't. You can get Miatas running up on 911s with the same idea of eliminating weight, track suspension, & r-comp. tires.

 

3 American cars in the top ten...boom

 

valid point. but you still gotta give props to the Z28.

it would be nice to see how the 458 Speciale does on that list.

 

you def should click the link above if you haven't ....

from the article.......

"in turn one, the Z/28 matched the Porsche 918 by posting 1.16 g's, the highest grip we've ever recorded in that corner".


WHAT

 

 

I'm not saying it's bad, I'm just not impressed a track car on R-Comps. matched a supercar.

I'm more impressed by the Stingray that was only 3 seconds behind & sub 500Hp.

 

Stopped at a VW dealership yesterday and sat in a Golf TDI SE. I dig it, heading back this afternoon for a test drive. Both an auto and manual.

After that, it's off to the Subaru dealership. The wife really wants me to look at the Impreza, but I would prefer the Crosstrek.

While I know that these cars are very different from the VW, I do like the versatility of them. I cart my road bike around (typically inside the car) and it would be nice to have the built-in roof rack when I need the rear seats available.
I do have a roof rack that will fit the Golf when it's needed, but it would be a little more pain to get it on/off.

Overall, the VW checks all the boxes and is in the lead but final decision won't be made till after test drives. Will be purchasing some time next week.

 

I test drove a 5MT Crosstrek late last year. Really like the car, but it definitely feels underpowered & the shifts aren't anything special, just feels like a plain MT.
Haven't driven any newer VWs, but the couple 6MT TDi Jetta SportWagens I've driven were quite peppy. The Crosstrek, I imagine, would feel considerably slower back-to-back.

 

VW

 

I vote VW as well.

My friends girlfriend picked up a new Jetta GLI with the DSG recently and I got to drive it a bit "spiritedly". I was really impressed with the DSG in either regular or full manual mode. However, I did not like sport mode, where it downshifts aggressively. The engine braking in sport mode wasn't very predictable and became very annoying.

 

Yea if its that good, im really looking forward to seeing what the Z06 does

 

Not surprised the quirk about the Focus ST is its brakes. Hot brakes and brake fade is all too common in a tracked FoST. Ford could have stepped it up in this department. But a simple brake upgrade can really make a huge difference.

Crazy to read that the WRX ate its brake pads at 2500 miles.

STi is such a bargain contender (as usual), being only 3.3 seconds behind the M235i and $8685 less in price, and 3.7 seconds behind CTS Vsport, $21,805 less in price, and less 115 horsepower.

And the Corvette had an engine failure, which Chevy suspects is contaminated oil.

 

Wonder why they didn't run the ZL1 camaro. 585hp.

 

where is the hellcat???

 

Understeering off the first corner...though it might catch up on the straights.

 

They had it last year:

2:57.5/83.2. Peak speed 142.9.


http://www.caranddriver.com/features...o-2013-page-10

 

I suspect the M2 will be more comparable to the CLA45, and will likely perform better. Don't forget the M235i isn't a full on M-car with all the engine and suspension upgrades that come with it.

 

Right. But the previous reviews I had seen of the CLA45 and Golf R said the Golf was a better car and then the M235i just beat the R in Chris Harris's opinion and I was really surprised to see it that much slower.

 

I get what you mean, but it's not like the MPSS are pedestrian tires by any means. Not quite RS3s, but basically half a step down. And yeah, the Trofeo R has basically R-compound level treadwear.

Miatas can do what they do in spite of having less power thanks to weighing several hundred lbs less than other cars in the field. Race weight of a Spec Miata is around 2300 lbs (with driver), and I'd venture to guess your average 996-newer 911 weighs around 2900 lbs. So it's not surprising to see butthurt 911 drivers on the track.

Again... not only does the Camaro have a 230 hp power disadvantage, it also weighs 475 lbs more than the F12. Tires can only do so much. If anything, the 305 width tires would hurt its straight-line acceleration.

 

Either way...a freak'n Camaro with those numbers FROM THE FACTORY is pretty mindblowing considering where they were at a little more than a decade ago. The fact that a Camaro can be compared with any Ferrari in terms of performance is an astounding leap for GM.

 

It's not just tires, though. The entire car is built to attack the circuit. The suspension parts alone are way more than what you expect, & coupled with fat Brembos.

I'm not knocking the car, but it is a track car that has almost zero point at being on the road other than getting you to and from the track. And it's impressive car in that area because that's a LOT of impressive equipment on a car for $75K. Trying to find something else so track oriented but street legal would run 6 figures ala GT3 or GTR Nismo.

As for the weight, it's nowhere near that significant field as it was 10 years ago. We're in an age where a manufacturer can tune the suspension with excellent tires & downforce to make the weight seem almost irrelevant such as the GTR or the Z28 in this case.

 

Indeed, totally agree. As someone else said, I'd like to see how the 458
Speciale stacks up.

The Z/28's spool valve rear suspension, as you probably already know, is only found on another car - the Red Bull F1 car.

 

I was just thinking this.. the driver must have snapped his neck off the line.. and rolled through the course from his initial take-off momentum.

 

The Z/28 is a brutal track car. Can't wait for some Hellcat numbers.. taking over.

 

Shit.. the 1LE did it in 2:58.. spend nearly half and get that instead.