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VW hates America, so they don't bring Sciroccio here.

Audi hates America, so they don't bring more Avants here.

charliemike

VW doesn't think we buy hatches in the quantities they need to justify both a two door Golf and a Scirocco. For the same reason that Audi isn't bringing the A3 Sportback here except as a hybrid.

speedemon90

It is true though. You should see the faces I get when I show people who dont care for cars the GTI....

This girl I was dating recently called it a fun-sized mini van... We are not dating anymore

speedemon90

Just noticed I could have a 228i for the price of a golf R... Got a new goal now. I need a second job haha

Costco

It's not that same one in Colorado that sells BRZ for really cheap, is it?

Either way, share!!

Costco

To each his own. I hated on the 2015 WRX and STI since I first saw them, but they're slowly growing on me.

charliemike

If you like it man, buy it. Serious performance in that price range.

Majofo

How about a gently used Evo X GSR?

Rick_TL-S

Their values right now have skyrocketed with the demand.

Any on the market right now at the $312,000 MSRP has 4-5,000 miles on it, making the average price for one with around 1,000 or less miles in the $400,000+ range.

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Ohhhh those ones that were leased by 70 year old grammas?

I know they love EVO.

Yumcha

As a front-engined Ferrari, is this going to last though? Or be like the other front-engined models from Modena and become quite affordable in 10 years?

Majofo

Only time will tell.. Seems like if they have a market, they will sell. Not always a good thing.

Aman

Rick_TL-S

I'm still not sure where you get this from. The front-engine GTs always retain a higher value than their MR V8 sisters of the same era because Ferrari pump out the V8s in much higher numbers, at lower costs.

Pre-2000 Maranellos are still hovering around $80,000 w/ 25,000+ miles. The pre-2000 360s are barely scratching $80,000 with 20,000 miles; give or take. 2004 360s are in the range of $95-$105,000 on average; you have some in the low $90Ks & some in the low $110Ks. (It's a bit weird.) 2004 Maranellos aren't dipping below $110K (though the 2003MY is all over the place).

Take also into account the mileage. The range for the cars above are typically 10-30,000 miles. Anything under 10,000 on the odo for a 360 are valuing at $110,000 for the 04s & $85-$90K for pre-'00. Meanwhile, the '04 Maranellos with under 10,000 are valuing $120K & the pre-'00 Maranellos at $100,000 max. You have '05 F430s with under 10,000 miles that have dropped to the same range as the '04 Maranellos ($120-125K), & this is what forces the 360 market to drop more. The 458 will eventually do it to the F430 as well.

Basically, Maranellos are retaining a $10,000+ value over the 360s for similar year & mileage. 599s are holding a $30-50K value over the F430s. I'm not sure how that makes the front-engine GTs more affordable than the mid-engine V8s of their respective era.

Costco

It's a little out of my price range. I'd be too tempted to spring for the STI though, with the e-diff and all.

That's my problem. I like a lot of cars. Many out of my price range

I see what you did there.

Costco

I figured I might add, while I love GTIs, I think they're a little boring. I haven't driven a Golf R but it's never mind the feeling like you're on rails with the AWD... the STI and Evo just feel raw and they egg you on to push them harder.

They just never seriously made it onto my list of cars to consider. Though I'm sure the in-car entertainment options suck on both the Subaru and Mitsubishi. Awful stock stereos in every one I've been in.

charliemike

For the first time, arguably, the WRX is a legit track car if the reviews are to be believed. And a WRX will be the same $$ as a new GTI.

CLtotheTL32

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Watch the video to hear the beast!

http://www.autoguide.com/auto-news/2...new-video.html

RPhilMan1

As much fun as it sounds, I don't think there's any way I could spend $35k+ for this front end.



All that plastic around the fog lights and the top quarter of the grille is so bad. And it looks like the factory pre-drills the bumper for the license plate, too. I pretty much only like the headlights and hood scoop.

I don't think the rear is bad, though.

But overall, couple all that with the 10-year old EJ engine, it throws all consideration out.

RPhilMan1

I wish Mitsubishi didn't make the MR trim on the Evo automatic transmission only. And the GSR trim has the outdated 5-speed manual.

Black leather upgrade is $3800... Ah well I see the upgrade falls under the sunroof & leather package, so you also get sunroof, heated front seats, center console upgrade, and sound dampening enhancement. It also looks like they throw in the sight and sound upgrade also which gives HID headlights, audio upgrade, and keyless entry.

Navigation is another $2375. Overall $42k for a well-equipped Evo. Also considering this model could use an upgrade.

I do see Mitsubishi is offering 0% APR for the Evolution, though. At least there's something.

Majofo

I hate plastic covers.

srika

loved the writeup about Ferrari values

hopefully one day I can use it for personal purpose.

srika

The progression of Ferraris blows my mind. You look back at the lineage and think about it, having driven a 348, 355, 360 and now a 458, holy cow the 458 is a bonafide supercar whereas the others were more like entry-level Ferraris. But I think furthermore it says something about where cars are today in general, all the current advances they've made. The 458 is a SPECTACULAR car, it does not feel like a "junior" level Ferrari at all. And, it's crazy that the F12 can be traced back to the Testarossa. Ok enough rambling for now

Yumcha

I have the 456 in mind generally speaking. And I can't go with some in-depth research either since well, I'm not shopping for one. Just going with the words of someone who has been looking into it and he's quite knowledgeable (i.e. Mr. Goatman).

Majofo

What's the correlation between manual and semi-auto transmission to price though? Are the electo-hydro trans going for more or less?

Rick_TL-S

The 456 is an exception but the car is to the GT lineup that the 348 was the MR V8s. A good car, but easily outclassed by the competition.

It's hard to really pinpoint 456 values, though. Not a whole lot on the market.
It's tough to say without digging into them. There are arguably more F1 transmissions out there but a lot of dealers still mark the car as having manuals when they have the F1 paddle shift. I don't think the transmissions are really affecting the price too much though. They weren't exactly a rare option in the 360 & the 550/575 basically had manual/paddle shift transmissions respectively.

Yumcha

You boys see Mercedes-Benz's three 360° videos?

Quite cool. Link here: http://www.motorauthority.com/news/1...-degree-videos

Yumcha

Cool and noted. My comments were not meant as gospel but just from what I gleamed to be a general trend...it seemed the MODERN mid-engine Ferraris tended retain and appreciate whereas the MODERN era front-engine GTs were more attainable.

Still, even if these rides were affordable, to maintain one would bankrupt me...so, a rather moot point.

Rick_TL-S

You know Yummy (& Srika), the 355s are at a pretty affordable price now. $60-65K should get you in a really nice example with low miles/year.

Definitely easier on the wallet than the GTs too.

srika

Photos from BMW's secret underground garage

Rick_TL-S

Dat E39 Wagon.

Majofo

Yumcha

From 2011, sir: https://acurazine.com/forums/car-talk-5/bmw-ms-secret-underground-garage-814264/

Thread and oodles of pictures.

ttribe

Oh crap...



This, right here, is like a dream come true:

srika

cool to see lot more pictures from there!

Yumcha

ttribe: Not instigating.

Just saying that there's a thread already for that BMW secret garage.

srika

biting my tongue.

Aman

That M3 wagon... mein Gott.

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Have you guys seen this?

Freaking Lexus not having a 6MT option on IS350. That would be a nice DD.

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srika

just noticed the McLaren P1 does 0-125mph in 6.8 seconds. To give you an idea of exactly how fast that is, an F40 does the same task in 12.0 seconds.