Canon 1DsMKIII, 40D, and 14mm f/2.8 II specs leaked at Amazon.com!
08-29-2007, 11:27 AM
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What? :P
08-29-2007, 12:14 PM
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Originally Posted by wndrlst
Oh, I called Ace today to ask about their pricing/wait list/estimated arrival, etc. He said they'll prob be selling under $1300 for body only??
I'm on the wait list. If I get a call before Amazon ships my order, I'll go pick it up.Oh yeah,
08-29-2007, 12:16 PM
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Originally Posted by waTSX
Please post sample photos, immediately upon taking possesion.
08-29-2007, 12:17 PM
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Originally Posted by waTSX
I'd rep you for getting a new camera, but AZ won't let me. Damn! 
08-29-2007, 12:49 PM
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Originally Posted by waTSX
I'd rep you for getting a new camera, but AZ won't let me. Damn!
08-29-2007, 12:51 PM
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Thank you, sir. 
....can't get you back yet....
08-29-2007, 01:08 PM
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well the sample photos on dpreview, show the ISO 1600 and ISO3200 performance as very good
08-29-2007, 01:10 PM
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One of the main reasons I feel it's worth the upgrade. 
08-29-2007, 01:11 PM
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ISO1600
ISO3200
ISO3200
08-29-2007, 01:13 PM
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That's really quite impressive. Beyond just useable.
08-29-2007, 01:44 PM
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Yeah, I will hopefully be picking it up from the store tomorrow.
The noise level is supposedly the same as the 30D - Canon never made any claims otherwise. Technically I guess that means they improved the S/N ratio since it's the same noise from a higher pixel density.
That's the semi consensus from dpreview - but on the other hand, dpreview users are mostly insane.
Short term the biggest annoyance will be waiting around for Adobe to release an updated lightroom so that it'll recognize the RAW files. Guess it's time to learn DPP.
The noise level is supposedly the same as the 30D - Canon never made any claims otherwise. Technically I guess that means they improved the S/N ratio since it's the same noise from a higher pixel density.
That's the semi consensus from dpreview - but on the other hand, dpreview users are mostly insane.
Short term the biggest annoyance will be waiting around for Adobe to release an updated lightroom so that it'll recognize the RAW files. Guess it's time to learn DPP.
08-29-2007, 01:49 PM
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Originally Posted by waTSX
Sweet! Right back at ya dude! Circular reppage.
08-29-2007, 02:02 PM
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Originally Posted by waTSX
Those ISO 3200 shots mizouse posted look remarkably noise-free. Amazing.
08-29-2007, 02:02 PM
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Originally Posted by waTSX
Sweet! Right back at ya dude! Circular reppage. 
08-29-2007, 02:04 PM
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i case you want to know the exif the 1st picture is
80 mm equiv, ISO 1600, 1/100 sec, F9.0, +0.0 EV, EF-S 18-55mm IS, PS Standard
the 2nd is
91 mm equiv, ISO 3200, 1/160 sec, F3.5, +0.0 EV, EF 24-70 mm F2.8L, PS Standard
the 3rd is
88 mm equiv, ISO 3200, 1/60 sec, F5.6, +0.0 EV, EF 24-70 mm F2.8L, PS Standard
80 mm equiv, ISO 1600, 1/100 sec, F9.0, +0.0 EV, EF-S 18-55mm IS, PS Standard
the 2nd is
91 mm equiv, ISO 3200, 1/160 sec, F3.5, +0.0 EV, EF 24-70 mm F2.8L, PS Standard
the 3rd is
88 mm equiv, ISO 3200, 1/60 sec, F5.6, +0.0 EV, EF 24-70 mm F2.8L, PS Standard
08-29-2007, 02:24 PM
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Originally Posted by wndrlst
Exactly! Is the 30D really that clean, also?
The 20D's ISO 3200 shots are certainly usable, but they're nowhere near as clean as the 40D's, at least based on what I've seen so far. Up to ISO 1600, the 20D's output is very good, IMO, and both 3200 and 1600 clean up nicely.
08-29-2007, 02:28 PM
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Originally Posted by ChodTheWacko
That's the semi consensus from dpreview - but on the other hand, dpreview users are mostly insane.
Short term the biggest annoyance will be waiting around for Adobe to release an updated lightroom so that it'll recognize the RAW files. Guess it's time to learn DPP.
08-29-2007, 02:35 PM
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Originally Posted by ChodTheWacko
That's the semi consensus from dpreview - but on the other hand, dpreview users are mostly insane.
08-29-2007, 02:36 PM
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Originally Posted by jupitersolo
I think you have to be insane to follow that thread structure.
08-29-2007, 03:02 PM
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Originally Posted by wndrlst
Exactly! Is the 30D really that clean, also?
I had stop in between shots, I couldn't remember how to jack up the ISO
ISO 1600 .................................................. .................................................. ................................... ISO 3200
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08-29-2007, 03:07 PM
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I have a possibly n00bish question.... why would you shoot at ISO3200 in daylight?
08-29-2007, 03:11 PM
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Originally Posted by jupitersolo
I had stop in between shots, I couldn't remember how to jack up the ISO
08-29-2007, 03:12 PM
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I have a possibly n00bish question.... why would you shoot at ISO3200 in daylight?
08-29-2007, 03:27 PM
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You probably wouldn't shoot 3200 during the day, but sometimes bumping ISO during well-lit condtions gets you faster shutter speeds, when shooting sports and the like. I do this for baseball sometimes.
08-29-2007, 03:31 PM
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Originally Posted by waTSX
Not if it's similar to the 20D, which I think it is. Maybe someone who owns one can chime in. I think the sensors are identical, if I'm not mistaken.
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08-29-2007, 03:34 PM
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damn, blows my XTi out of the water
08-29-2007, 03:36 PM
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Originally Posted by waTSX
You probably wouldn't shoot 3200 during the day, but sometimes bumping ISO during well-lit condtions gets you faster shutter speeds, when shooting sports and the like. I do this for baseball sometimes.
08-29-2007, 03:39 PM
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Originally Posted by srika
I have a possibly n00bish question.... why would you shoot at ISO3200 in daylight?
Or you are just shooting a dark object to begin with.
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08-29-2007, 03:41 PM
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Originally Posted by srika
ok .. makes sense.. Im a creature of the dark, I kinda don't have much experience shooting in daylight.. what would you say is about the highest you would go during the day? or maybe, whats the highest you have gone?
At the twilight polo matches, the games start just before dusk, so it's still daylight, but those ponies move Fast. 1600 would've been great then, too, to freeze the action a bit more.
In bright sunlight, I don't think I've used anything over 400.
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08-29-2007, 03:48 PM
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Originally Posted by wndrlst
I've always tried to keep it 400 or less, just because the noise doesn't clean up that well at 800. There have been times, on shady paths, or heavy cloud cover that I'd have loved to have had a useable 1600, so I didn't have to set up a tripod.
At the twilight polo matches, the games start just before dusk, so it's still daylight, but those ponies move Fast. 1600 would've been great then, too, to freeze the action a bit more.
In bright sunlight, I don't think I've used anything over 400.
At the twilight polo matches, the games start just before dusk, so it's still daylight, but those ponies move Fast. 1600 would've been great then, too, to freeze the action a bit more.
In bright sunlight, I don't think I've used anything over 400.
08-29-2007, 07:07 PM
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These were taken about 5 minutes to 8pm, in the back of my house, the sun sets in the front.
ISO 1600 .................................................. .................................................. ................................... ISO 3200
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ISO 1600 .................................................. .................................................. ................................... ISO 3200
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08-29-2007, 08:25 PM
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lighting looks the same. noise is pretty good as well
08-29-2007, 08:30 PM
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Gracias, jup!
08-30-2007, 12:36 AM
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Just for the interested,
I've gone through all the comments of current 40D owners, and here are the summarized comments of 30D vs 40D.
Notable improvements
buffer
focus is faster, more accurate.
Live view
Viewfinder: bigger than 30D, smaller than 5D
Highlight Tone reduction
Sensor cleaning
Minor improvements (imho)
ISO in viewfinder
LCD display is readable in sunlight
mirror/shutter is quieter than 20D/30D
menu system is improved - uses drop down menus.
drop downs menu can be customized a bit
can make a 'favorite 6-7 options' list in menu.
image playback on LCD shows focus point
Changeable focusing screen
Tilt correction
sRaw support
hotkey for selecting a particular picture style.
Can turn off in-camera high ISO noise reduction
Live view notes:
2 silent shooting modes (no mirror slap, etc)
moveable rectangle to choose AF point.
10x zoom when using live view useful for MF.
bad:
flimsy power button
CF flash door is less robust?
Can only turn on Live view with 'Set' button, so no customized set function if you use liveview.
Live view sucks down battery power fast.
Notes:
Highlight priority runs at ISO 200 or more.
can use old handgrip
New RAW format/tag means 3rd party apps can't read them yet. Just DPP.
CDs do not have PDF for the manuals. (HK anyway)
Nobody has done a servo test yet.
I've gone through all the comments of current 40D owners, and here are the summarized comments of 30D vs 40D.
Notable improvements
buffer
focus is faster, more accurate.
Live view
Viewfinder: bigger than 30D, smaller than 5D
Highlight Tone reduction
Sensor cleaning
Minor improvements (imho)
ISO in viewfinder
LCD display is readable in sunlight
mirror/shutter is quieter than 20D/30D
menu system is improved - uses drop down menus.
drop downs menu can be customized a bit
can make a 'favorite 6-7 options' list in menu.
image playback on LCD shows focus point
Changeable focusing screen
Tilt correction
sRaw support
hotkey for selecting a particular picture style.
Can turn off in-camera high ISO noise reduction
Live view notes:
2 silent shooting modes (no mirror slap, etc)
moveable rectangle to choose AF point.
10x zoom when using live view useful for MF.
bad:
flimsy power button
CF flash door is less robust?
Can only turn on Live view with 'Set' button, so no customized set function if you use liveview.
Live view sucks down battery power fast.
Notes:
Highlight priority runs at ISO 200 or more.
can use old handgrip
New RAW format/tag means 3rd party apps can't read them yet. Just DPP.
CDs do not have PDF for the manuals. (HK anyway)
Nobody has done a servo test yet.