I hope this (and other) threads get back to normal now after yesterday's train wreck...

 

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I enjoyed some of his images, some were pretty creative. The trolling with them, not so much.

 

There were a few where I started to think "okay now he's getting it." The attitude and the (very deliberate) spam were what I couldn't abide. I'm honestly not such a snob that I'm going to be a dick to someone who is new or learning. When you claim to know everything and turn your nose up at sincere advice or critique, though, it's going to elicit a different response.

 

What's wild is the child & crotch shot is powerful in terms of being a controversial shot - but I kind of don't think that's how he intended it. I mean it could be a stock photo for child abuse.

 

I agree. That one gave me pause, but I don't think it was intended to.

 

Yeah, those are the people I walk away from when I'm out with meet up groups. I'm out teaching someone to use their gear and someone walks up and tries to take over my one on one, then it comes to a point where they don't know a damn thing that I'm teaching.

 

 

Yep.

When we start thinking we know everything, we stop learning and improving. I sure as heck don't think I know it all or don't have room to improve, and I don't want to come across that way. Ego can be a nasty enemy.

 

I'm always learning, he'll my son has taught me a thing or two.

 

Your son has already taken some brilliant photos!

 

The freak is going on here..

I was going to agree with D's assessment. Check your ego at the door.

 

(so, I thought we had some good points and things made in the B&W thread regarding you know who so I moved all of those posts to this C&P Random thread.)

 

Sounds good

 

Ohhhh...now I get what happened!

Good call.

 

Agreed completely, and contrary to what people might think here, I'm 100% on board the "always learning" boat. I never mean to give the impression that I know everything but have a good feeling that I inadvertently do from time to time.

Just last week I tried light painting with cars for the first time, and it was a great learning experience. And there is so much that can be done on that front. Light sources are huge, and then you got the actual techniques, and seeing the outcomes on the screen it just feels like making a dessert really.

 

 

This is a very nice light for painting, has a good white balance. One thing for light painting. Don't mix because of white balance issues.

http://www.homedepot.com/p/Ryobi-18-...5yc1vZc23tZ1aw

 

Thanks for the link! That light looks hot. I have been in search of new sources since trying it. I brought what I had, which was a LED ring light that worked "OK", a LED shoe-mount video light "OK" - but both were harsher light and we needed to find a softer source. Or, a more powerful source and get farther away from the car (I think this is where your link would come in). Also had surprisingly good results with phone camera lights - while relatively weak in power, they disperse the light well and so didn't cause noticeable streaks on the cars. On the 3rd day I brought an umbrella to which we attached the LED shoe light, and that worked fairly well but it was hard to hold. Just gotta keep experimenting and looking. Ideally I'd want some kind of portable hand-held small softbox kind of light that makes really soft but bright light.

 

Damn deleting :[

 

For light painting cars I've seen people use a speedlight mounted to a soft box

 

I started like this as well. not to sound cocky, but just happy to speak of what you have learned. I guess 2 years ago for me thats when i started to be real humble about things. I may do it here and there but would quickly rethink how i present myself to others and stop doing it.

 

how? is there a video showing it?

 

something just occurred to me - what I'm doing with the cars is not actually light painting - light painting is when you use the light to create shapes or figures etc - in the car photos, the light source is not seen aside from reflections on the cars. I don't know the term for this. Anyone know?

 

I'll try to find it, not sure i remember where I saw it.

But you're basically shooting in a dark room and flashing the light to light up the car right?

 

I know everyone already knows it but I never went after him until he started being a douchenozzle.

Many shooters here new and old have taken some really great stuff that I enjoy looking at, and have gotten ideas from. I certainly don't know everything and always try and employ new techniques, especially with cinematography.

 

yeah , here is one we did - he is holding a cell phone:

 

haha pardon the crazy video, I left the camera recording by mistake

 

Hmmm I can't find the one i saw, but you're using a continuous light.

See here how he used a single light with a soft box.

http://petapixel.com/2012/04/03/how-...lighting-gear/

Goto around the 7 minute mark.

The one I saw was the guy in a dark room but strobing the flash to light up the car.

 

I'll see if I can find it when I get home. Lunch is over

 

ok i can see what you did there.

 

thanks for the link - I see the softbox but he is using a continuous 60w light with it, not a speedlight. It would be tough to have even lighting with a speedlight since it would not be continuous. But, I haven't tried it.

 

Yea I can't find the link. I saw it many years ago. And t was interesting because I remembered they photographed cars at the blackhawk museum that's close to my house.

Basically it was a very dark room, set that camera for like a 30 second exposure or bulb mode and just pop the flash around the car.

Kind if like composite lighting but not.

But I can see what you mean by even lighting.

 

yeah I suppose it would be like doing a composite shot consisting of separate lighting in each shot.

 

http://500px.com/ChrisCheek1

 

That site contains way too many boring landscapes. That can't be him.

www.greatportraitsrus.com is more his style.

 

 

He will learn the hard way. If he's like that with just the internet. i could just imagine what would happen if he has some disagreements with customers.

 

I once made the mistake of referring a photog friend to another friend for photography services, because he was looking for work. I did it because he didn't have a job (hasn't had one in years) and was desperate so I was trying to help, as I've done before. Anyways he didn't do a good job, and ended up yelling at the customer when they told him they weren't happy with it. Lesson learned. I am no longer referring him. Customer service is as integral to this field as the technical and art aspects; it's part of a complete package. I later thought to myself, "now I understand why you can't find work".

 

I yell to my customers all the time.
Oh right, I don't have any customers.
Damn, I've been yelling at myself all this time!