Tesla: Sales, Marketing, and Financial News
10-13-2020, 09:03 AM
#1121
Azine Jabroni
10-13-2020, 09:04 AM
#1122
Azine Jabroni
10-13-2020, 09:06 AM
#1123
Azine Jabroni
Tesla fanbois (especially the ones who don’t own the actual car) are a complete discredit to the company.
10-13-2020, 10:31 AM
#1124
Paying
normally, companies pay you to do that and not the other way around.Gradual rollout sounds like a better proposition to me - especially with the safety implications considered - but okay.
10-13-2020, 02:15 PM
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I can't tell if this is a shot at me or not. I'm just being realistic. I like Tesla, but I'm not here to tell you they are going to end legacy auto.
Seeing as you don't own one, here are the things you have to deal with when buying a Tesla which "legacy auto" buyers don't have to deal with:
Do I love my car? So far, absolutely. Am I only likely to buy a Tesla ever again? I don't know.
Seeing as you don't own one, here are the things you have to deal with when buying a Tesla which "legacy auto" buyers don't have to deal with:
- A long wait for the model you want with a mixed bag of communication from Tesla
- You'll need to bring a checklist to deal with the multiple problems you'll run into with the interior and exterior (I bought the 3, which is 3 models old at this point, so I only found 1 issue Tesla quickly fixed)
- Good luck ever getting parts
- The fit and finish isn't up to par (The doors close like a Chevy Cruze)
Do I love my car? So far, absolutely. Am I only likely to buy a Tesla ever again? I don't know.
Interestingly I was talking to a client on Friday that said he was going to pick up his Tesla today and he too was complaining about his long wait and the mixed bag of communication from Tesla as well.
Couldn't complain about the car obviously since he hasn't picked it up yet.
10-13-2020, 02:25 PM
#1126
Azine Jabroni
Interestingly I was talking to a client on Friday that said he was going to pick up his Tesla today and he too was complaining about his long wait and the mixed bag of communication from Tesla as well.
Couldn't complain about the car obviously since he hasn't picked it up yet.
Couldn't complain about the car obviously since he hasn't picked it up yet.
10-13-2020, 02:31 PM
#1127
Apparently they shifted to complete contactless delivery. As in, you pick up your vehicle and don't interact with anyone... even if you want to.
Just another reason why as much as I like the brand and what they stand for, they continue to make me shake my head. They have problems delivering, literally.
Just another reason why as much as I like the brand and what they stand for, they continue to make me shake my head. They have problems delivering, literally.
10-13-2020, 03:19 PM
#1128
Team Owner
I helped my big boss with his Model X P100D from purchase to repairs.... i think i could write a book about the experience dealing with Tesla.
Dealing with Tesla for the past 2 years has more WTF moments than dealing with BMW 8 years combined...
Dealing with Tesla for the past 2 years has more WTF moments than dealing with BMW 8 years combined...
10-13-2020, 03:27 PM
#1129
Moderator
^ And one would think you're in prime Tesla country.
10-13-2020, 03:41 PM
#1130
Team Owner
yah so imagine when you are not...
10-13-2020, 03:44 PM
#1131
Azine Jabroni
You know what, though? He's probably not. California is almost to Tesla saturation, where the cars are actually outstretching their infrastructure.
Man, if you can get the mobile service for you issues, it's the best. Just leave the car in the driveway unlocked and they fix whatever they need to.
As far as the contactless delivery, it was kind of contactless. I did talk to one guy to show me to the car. but once you unlock the car for the first time, you're pretty much on your own.
I fucking hate car salesman so I appreciated that.
Man, if you can get the mobile service for you issues, it's the best. Just leave the car in the driveway unlocked and they fix whatever they need to.
As far as the contactless delivery, it was kind of contactless. I did talk to one guy to show me to the car. but once you unlock the car for the first time, you're pretty much on your own.
I fucking hate car salesman so I appreciated that.
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10-13-2020, 04:31 PM
#1132
Team Owner
The car was delivered pre-COVID.. so the delivery was not an issue...
It is what comes after....
Aside from all the quality stuff... it almost feels that they have bitten more than what they could chew at this moment... Selling a shit load of car is 1 thing, being able to keep up with the service is another... especially given their shitty quality...
It is what comes after....
Aside from all the quality stuff... it almost feels that they have bitten more than what they could chew at this moment... Selling a shit load of car is 1 thing, being able to keep up with the service is another... especially given their shitty quality...
10-14-2020, 02:10 PM
#1133
Whats up with RDX owners?
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I had scheduled a no-contact test drive of a Model Y via the Tesla website for 3pm last Friday. We got there 15 minutes early, as requested in the email confirmation. As we pull into the lot, the only Model Y tester they have is just driving off the lot for another test drive. I should note that Tesla schedules these test drives in hour long blocks. The Tesla reps didn't acknowledge the scheduling conflict, and they ended up giving me a Model 3 Long Range to test. That's not a huge deal since I was interested in the 3 as well, but not the Long Range - I'd be in the market for the Performance model (same with the Y).
Anyway, we go out, do our thing for 20 mins or so, and come back. It's now around 3:25, just 25 minutes into my hour long appointment. The Y has returned by this point, and I ask if I can take it out now. The rep sighed as if I'm making his life difficult, and then said sure, but only around the block for 10 minutes at most since there's another customer coming in for a test drive. Nevermind the fact that I reserved it from 3-4
When I got back (after being gone 25 minutes, because fuck 'em), I noticed they weren't sanitizing the cars after each test drive, which didn't really sit well with me.
But, thoughts on the cars themselves:
Model 3LR:
- Decent torque, pulls strong to 90 or so
- Road noise is apparent; probably about as noticeable as a modern CRV
- Seats are very comfortable but not sporty at all - there was zero support
- I didn't hear any weird creaks or groans
- Back seat is tight with my seat in the position I'd keep it
- Storage is plentiful
- Center stack would take some getting used to
Model YP:
- Pulls hilariously hard
- Road noise is even more noticeable
- Wind noise around the roof is distracting
- Back seat is tight with my seat in the position I'd keep it
- Storage is plentiful
- Center stack would take some getting used to
- Overall ride is more firm, I blame the 21" wheels
- You still feel the weight, but the acceleration makes up for it.
Overall, they seem like good cars at $45-50k. $60k is too much IMO. The interior didn't feel premium. The panel gaps certainly didn't either.
Anyway, we go out, do our thing for 20 mins or so, and come back. It's now around 3:25, just 25 minutes into my hour long appointment. The Y has returned by this point, and I ask if I can take it out now. The rep sighed as if I'm making his life difficult, and then said sure, but only around the block for 10 minutes at most since there's another customer coming in for a test drive. Nevermind the fact that I reserved it from 3-4
When I got back (after being gone 25 minutes, because fuck 'em), I noticed they weren't sanitizing the cars after each test drive, which didn't really sit well with me.
But, thoughts on the cars themselves:
Model 3LR:
- Decent torque, pulls strong to 90 or so
- Road noise is apparent; probably about as noticeable as a modern CRV
- Seats are very comfortable but not sporty at all - there was zero support
- I didn't hear any weird creaks or groans
- Back seat is tight with my seat in the position I'd keep it
- Storage is plentiful
- Center stack would take some getting used to
- a small display for turn signals, battery charge and speed would be easy to integrate into the dash in front of the driver, not sure why they didn't do this
- Center stack controls are very distracting- I understand that a large touch screen is cheaper than buttons, but some controls (HVAC controls come to mind) need to have dedicated buttons that you can easily press while driving
- You really feel the weight of the carModel YP:
- Pulls hilariously hard
- Road noise is even more noticeable
- Wind noise around the roof is distracting
- Back seat is tight with my seat in the position I'd keep it
- Storage is plentiful
- Center stack would take some getting used to
- a small display for turn signals, battery charge and speed would be easy to integrate into the dash in front of the driver, not sure why they didn't do this
- Center stack controls are very distracting- I understand that a large touch screen is cheaper than buttons, but some controls (HVAC controls come to mind) need to have dedicated buttons that you can easily press while driving
- Rear hatch doesn't open very high; I'm only 6' and I have to duck under it in order to access the cargo area- Overall ride is more firm, I blame the 21" wheels
- You still feel the weight, but the acceleration makes up for it.
Overall, they seem like good cars at $45-50k. $60k is too much IMO. The interior didn't feel premium. The panel gaps certainly didn't either.
10-14-2020, 02:20 PM
#1134
Team Owner
Just be glad the roof didnt fly off... the wind noise might be a sign tho
10-14-2020, 02:27 PM
#1135
Ex-OEM King
So the Teslas aren't the second coming of god like some around here seem to think they are?
10-15-2020, 09:22 PM
#1137
Sanest Florida Man
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10-15-2020, 09:40 PM
#1138
Sanest Florida Man
10-16-2020, 09:09 AM
#1139
With all those announcements and improvements in their vehicles, it’s no wonder that TSLA stock is climbing further. Hope all those who lost money made up for it by now.
10-16-2020, 10:16 AM
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10-16-2020, 10:26 AM
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10-16-2020, 11:06 AM
#1143
Azine Jabroni
I can't think of any ICE manufacturer who garners that kind of loyalty.
10-16-2020, 08:48 PM
#1144
Tesla’s seven-day return policy has been quietly removed
First dissolving their PR department, now this?
10-16-2020, 08:56 PM
#1145
Azine Jabroni
Tesla’s seven-day return policy has been quietly removed
First dissolving their PR department, now this?
10-18-2020, 02:09 PM
#1146
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10-19-2020, 09:42 PM
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10-19-2020, 11:26 PM
#1148
Sanest Florida Man
10-20-2020, 12:25 AM
#1149
Sanest Florida Man
This was back in late May
since then Tesla has gotten permits for and completed construction of a new 16 stall 250kw Supercharger near Cape Canaveral, it opened yesterday.
Also on the day I drove out to watch the first manned SpaceX launch on 5/30 I stopped at a Wawa in Lakeland, which is about the halfway point between Tampa and Orlando, that didn’t have a Supercharger then, now it does it opened last month with 7 250kw stalls, almost everyday a new Supercharger location is opened in the US.
They’ve opened a lot in California this year, there’s a massive 56 250kw stalls location currently under construction off of I-5 in Firebaugh between LA and the Bay Area. I imagine there won’t be as many long lines at the super chargers this holiday season thanks to all the new chargers, software updates that reduce charge times, and..... Covid-19
since then Tesla has gotten permits for and completed construction of a new 16 stall 250kw Supercharger near Cape Canaveral, it opened yesterday.
Also on the day I drove out to watch the first manned SpaceX launch on 5/30 I stopped at a Wawa in Lakeland, which is about the halfway point between Tampa and Orlando, that didn’t have a Supercharger then, now it does it opened last month with 7 250kw stalls, almost everyday a new Supercharger location is opened in the US.
They’ve opened a lot in California this year, there’s a massive 56 250kw stalls location currently under construction off of I-5 in Firebaugh between LA and the Bay Area. I imagine there won’t be as many long lines at the super chargers this holiday season thanks to all the new chargers, software updates that reduce charge times, and..... Covid-19
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10-20-2020, 12:27 AM
#1150
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The prospect of buying a used vehicle from Tesla just became a less appealing option. The electric car manufacturer quietly updated its website with new warranty terms for used Model S sedans and Model X crossovers, and the updates do not fall in the customer's favor.
Just two days ago (thanks, Wayback Machine!), Tesla's used vehicle warranty page said that used Models S and X that were under four years old and showed less than 50,000 miles on the odometer would get "a Used Vehicle Limited Warranty for 4 years or 50,000 miles, whichever comes first, starting from your delivery date." If the Model S or X was between four and six years old or had between 50,000 and 100,000 miles, "a Used Vehicle Extended Limited Warranty provides coverage for up to 2 years post-delivery or up to 100,000 miles, whichever comes first." In either case, 'the balance of original Battery and Drive Unit Limited warranty still [applied] for used vehicles.'
Today, the same page shows something completely different:
Tesla used vehicles are covered by the remainder of 4 years or 50,000 miles left on the Basic Vehicle Limited Warranty. After expiration, the Used Vehicle Limited Warranty provides additional coverage of 1 year or 10,000 miles. If the Basic Vehicle Limited Warranty has already expired, the Used Vehicle Limited Warranty will provide coverage of 1 year or 10,000 miles, starting from your delivery date.
The change was first reported by Electrek, which points out that used S and X models from 2016 or earlier are now much less attractive to would-be buyers. That's particularly true since Tesla's vehicles aren't exactly the pinnacle of reliability.
This news comes right after Tesla killed its seven-day return policy on new vehicles, and just days after the starting price of new Model S sedans was cut to $69,420.
Just two days ago (thanks, Wayback Machine!), Tesla's used vehicle warranty page said that used Models S and X that were under four years old and showed less than 50,000 miles on the odometer would get "a Used Vehicle Limited Warranty for 4 years or 50,000 miles, whichever comes first, starting from your delivery date." If the Model S or X was between four and six years old or had between 50,000 and 100,000 miles, "a Used Vehicle Extended Limited Warranty provides coverage for up to 2 years post-delivery or up to 100,000 miles, whichever comes first." In either case, 'the balance of original Battery and Drive Unit Limited warranty still [applied] for used vehicles.'
Today, the same page shows something completely different:
Tesla used vehicles are covered by the remainder of 4 years or 50,000 miles left on the Basic Vehicle Limited Warranty. After expiration, the Used Vehicle Limited Warranty provides additional coverage of 1 year or 10,000 miles. If the Basic Vehicle Limited Warranty has already expired, the Used Vehicle Limited Warranty will provide coverage of 1 year or 10,000 miles, starting from your delivery date.
The change was first reported by Electrek, which points out that used S and X models from 2016 or earlier are now much less attractive to would-be buyers. That's particularly true since Tesla's vehicles aren't exactly the pinnacle of reliability.
This news comes right after Tesla killed its seven-day return policy on new vehicles, and just days after the starting price of new Model S sedans was cut to $69,420.
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10-20-2020, 02:32 AM
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They’ve opened a lot in California this year, there’s a massive 56 250kw stalls location currently under construction off of I-5 in Firebaugh between LA and the Bay Area. I imagine there won’t be as many long lines at the super chargers this holiday season thanks to all the new chargers, software updates that reduce charge times, and..... Covid-19
and take milky way photos and also pitstop on the way to LA.Definitely a popular location, but its not quite half way between LA and the Bay Area, from there it's about another like 225 miles to LA.
Might be a bit short for a standard range plus and possibly a performance model 3, but they do have tons of superchargers already along I-5. Just would delay even more an already long 5-6 hour drive from SF to LA.
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10-20-2020, 07:12 PM
#1152
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10-21-2020, 09:52 PM
#1153
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10-22-2020, 08:24 AM
#1154
Ex-OEM King
If there was any beta I didn't want to be a part of, this would be it. Last thing I want to do is be a guinea pig strapped to a 4000lb missile flying itself through an asteroid field for the first time.
10-22-2020, 08:58 AM
#1155
Sanest Florida Man
Here's some videos of the FSD Beta
10-22-2020, 10:31 AM
#1156
Sanest Florida Man
10-22-2020, 11:18 AM
#1157
And there are still those people who continue to deny the existence of Tesla FSD and Cybertruck. 
. It’ll be a hard pill for them to swallow in the coming months.
But but, the big boys are coming, right.......??.
. It’ll be a hard pill for them to swallow in the coming months.But but, the big boys are coming, right.......??
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10-23-2020, 12:13 AM
#1158
I’m all for progress but this kind of shit is troubling.
https://reddit.com/r/teslamotors/com...ng_stoplights/
Even a hypothetical 99.999% accuracy still isn’t good enough. I can almost guarantee this will lull people into a sense of “oh, things are fine” until at one intersection, they’re not.
Completely understand why Tesla doesn’t want to implement lidar, but redundancy is always better.
Beta testing in this manner is irresponsible. Are the beta testers being trained in any way?
https://reddit.com/r/teslamotors/com...ng_stoplights/
Even a hypothetical 99.999% accuracy still isn’t good enough. I can almost guarantee this will lull people into a sense of “oh, things are fine” until at one intersection, they’re not.
Completely understand why Tesla doesn’t want to implement lidar, but redundancy is always better.
Beta testing in this manner is irresponsible. Are the beta testers being trained in any way?
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10-23-2020, 01:21 AM
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10-23-2020, 07:18 AM
#1160
Whats up with RDX owners?
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The problem with that is the majority of people showing up on your Twitter feed truly believe that it is FSD. Tesla themselves state the following:
"Use Full Self-Driving in limited Beta only if you will pay constant attention to the road, and be prepared to act immediately, especially around blind corners, crossing intersections, and in narrow driving situations."
Hate to break it to you, but that's not FSD.
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