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I don't think anyone is denying that Tesla is marketing their level 2 driver assist system as FSD.
The problem with that is the majority of people showing up on your Twitter feed truly believe that it is FSD. Tesla themselves state the following:
"Use Full Self-Driving in limited Beta only if you will pay constant attention to the road, and be prepared to act immediately, especially around blind corners, crossing intersections, and in narrow driving situations."
If it’s really FSD, I want most of my insurance premium reimbursed to cover it. Tesla is clearly responsible if it is their full self driving algorithm and I have no control.
Until that day, FSD is a farce.
Also, I object to the fact that Tesla can release a beta to “beta testers”, because that means we’re also beta testers when we share the road with FSD drivers.
Please talk about your issues with FSD to Elon on Twitter. You may get a response.
As I see it, they are inching closer to level 5 autonomous driving every second of everyday (and faster than anyone else in the business).
And pretty soon that “future” we are talking about will be “past”.
If it’s really FSD, I want most of my insurance premium reimbursed to cover it. Tesla is clearly responsible if it is their full self driving algorithm and I have no control.
Until that day, FSD is a farce.
Also, I object to the fact that Tesla can release a beta to “beta testers”, because that means we’re also beta testers when we share the road with FSD drivers.
Agreed. The word FULL means the driver has 0 responsibility or liability of driving.
Agreed. The word FULL means the driver has 0 responsibility or liability of driving.
Tesla has said that they will be at fault for any wreck caused by FSD, it's currently still in beta and so it's up to the drivers right now as Tesla explained in the update.
Tesla has said that they will be at fault for any wreck caused by FSD, it's currently still in beta and so it's up to the drivers right now as Tesla explained in the update.
Where does it say that? The start up screen seems like one hell of a disclaimer and contradicts that statement.
Please talk about your issues with FSD to Elon on Twitter. You may get a response.
As I see it, they are inching closer to level 5 autonomous driving every second of everyday (and faster than anyone else in the business).
And pretty soon that “future” we are talking about will be “past”.
No blue checkmark = no response
As if telling Elon to suspend their $10k beta feature would go over well anyway?
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Tesla has said that they will be at fault for any wreck caused by FSD, it's currently still in beta and so it's up to the drivers right now as Tesla explained in the update.
The way drivers are allowed to override autonomous control is sus. There is now an element of ambiguity in certain situations.
With FSD-related insurance claims, Tesla is going to absorb full liability from all incidents? Or will there be some kind of gray area e.g. "the driver manually took over 2 seconds before the accident, they are now at fault". In reality, it was because FSD didn't account for something, and the driver took over out of panic.
As long as that stipulation of how "the driver can take over if necessary" is in place, I would be weary about this.
Tesla has said that they will be at fault for any wreck caused by FSD, it's currently still in beta and so it's up to the drivers right now as Tesla explained in the update.
um...i am not a lawyer and i can already see so many loopholes in that statement.
caused by FSD... what defines as caused by FSD? if another car cut your off and caused an accident, is that part FSD's responsibility to avoid it?
When you still have Human drivers on the road, you can never have FULL Self Driving cars .... The reason? Human...
No other car companies built their own custom single purpose processors just to power their custom self driving software. VW, Toyota, Honda, Gm, etc would just order those processors from a catalog, and if they weren’t good enough they would dare try to design their own processor from scratch. Nvidia’s general processors can’t compete with a custom chip solely designed for self driving, this means other car companies can’t do what Tesla is doing since there’s no processor on the market that can compete with their self driving processor.
In before "influencers" record themselves sleeping behind the wheel or doing something else stupid.
What is the point? Not only do you have to worry about what other people on the road are doing, now you also have to worry about what the car might do... which requires looking at the screen. Defeats the purpose.
He backed himself into a corner by promising that FSD was only a year or two away, 4-5 years ago and continuing to reiterate it multiple times thereafter.
Reminder: Elon says the beta will probably released to the public by the end of the year.
So it's exactly as Tesla described it in the beta release notes, hence why it's only available to very few people. As it improves and stuff like that stops happening then they'll release it to another round of people.
It's like the same process a vaccine goes through before being released
So it's exactly as Tesla described it in the beta release notes, hence why it's only available to very few people. As it improves and stuff like that stops happening then they'll release it to another round of people.
It's like the same process a vaccine goes through before being released
No, it's not. Development of new vaccines go through the following stages before being made available to the general public:
To use your analogy, Tesla is still in the Clinical Development stage while also testing it on the general public on public roads. All this while still marketing it as Full Self Driving, which it is not.
What good does that do if most consumers or car makers don't care about FSD?
It seems you are correct about some of the automakers though (esp Mercedes, who decided to give up on self driving since apparently “they cannot compete” - their words, not mine). https://www.teslarati.com/tesla-fsd-...omous-driving/
For the public, yes it may not be necessary (for most), but is underscores the leading automaker’s technological superiority and that’s where the general public will gravitate to.
So they are superior with useless shit.. OK... now whoever drives with FSD, dont get anywhere near me.
I remember asking my boss if he ever used his auto pilot. He said he used about once or twice.
It is extremely dangerous to use it especially in LA right now. With all the construction, weekly change lane patterns on the freeway, use Auto pilot = 100% scraping the wall with those tiny little lanes.
You would have almost 90 degree turns on the freeway that it wasnt there yesterday.
I mean if you live in North Dakota or other in the middle of nowhere states, then yah maybe FSD is useful.. if you hit a tree, the only death is you.
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So they are superior with useless shit.. OK... now whoever drives with FSD, dont get anywhere near me.
I remember asking my boss if he ever used his auto pilot. He said he used about once or twice.
It is extremely dangerous to use it especially in LA right now. With all the construction, weekly change lane patterns on the freeway, use Auto pilot = 100% scraping the wall with those tiny little lanes.
You would have almost 90 degree turns on the freeway that it wasnt there yesterday.
I mean if you live in North Dakota or other in the middle of nowhere states, then yah maybe FSD is useful.. if you hit a tree, the only death is you.
You can make all arguments you want. Statistics show that Tesla cars using its auto pilot / FSD are several times less likely to have accidents compared to a human driver, and the gap is widening with every passing second.
Don’t know what you’ll say next year or so when Robotaxis will be roaming all over. May be you can hide inside your mom’s basement .
You can make all arguments you want. Statistics show that Tesla cars using its auto pilot / FSD are several times less likely to have accidents compared to a human driver, and the gap is widening with every passing second.
Don’t know what you’ll say next year or so when Robotaxis will be roaming all over. May be you can hide inside your mom’s basement .
orly?
Where's the data to show this? If this is the case, the insurance rates for Teslas should plummet and I'll go buy one.
You can make all arguments you want. Statistics show that Tesla cars using its auto pilot / FSD are several times less likely to have accidents compared to a human driver, and the gap is widening with every passing second.
Don’t know what you’ll say next year or so when Robotaxis will be roaming all over. May be you can hide inside your mom’s basement .
Saying the guy driving a RDX
Sorry my mom doesnt have a basement in the house that i bought for her.
Robotaxis? Wow... you mean 2021? Ok, how about let's make a bet to see if i will encounter Robotaxis in 2021? If i dont, you get banned. If i see 1, then i will get banned.
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