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SuperCruise: the best driver assistance system money can’t buy
Is FSD standard on Teslas? Last I checked it was an $8k option.
Originally Posted by Costco
It’s irresponsible, even if it would delay rollout another 6-12 months it would make more sense to have trained employees test the beta in the name of safety.
I’m aware of them having the camera to monitor alertness - hell, some companies have had that for years now, before autonomous vehicles were linked to them. It makes no sense that Tesla is not utilizing that capability, especially when it’s already in place with an otherwise unfinished product. That’s why they were dinged heavily in that comparison.
My guess is Tesla will enable the driver monitoring at some point, at least until they truly to get a point when driver intervention is not necessary. Or potentially when their hand is forced by legislation.
Without L5 autonomy, “Full Self Driving” is a misnomer. I don’t know if Elon truly believed they could have achieved in such a short time frame (1-2 years) when he promised they would in 2015/16, but he’s over promised and under delivered.
I still have Tesla stock too, but way too weary of its stability to make it a sizable part of my portfolio. Good luck.
This.
Originally Posted by Comfy
Agree, may be you’re right. It’ll be prudent for Tesla activate the camera before they release it fully for public.
I believe Tesla is somewhere close to level 4 autonomy at present where only minimal driver intervention is needed at some point and most of the driving is done by car itself. For that to be implemented on public roads, it makes sense to activate the camera.
To me it isn’t a far fetched idea the they can have fully functioning Robotaxis by next year - but part of that is hope too, nothing concrete.
It is an incredibly far fetched idea that they can have robotaxis next year lol. The issue is that they still haven't gotten to the point where the autonomous cars can share the road with idiot drivers.
Originally Posted by kurtatx
most of the credits get put back into R&D but I see your point.
kind of crazy that other automakers are paying Tesla so they can stay with ice vehicles
It's still income but it's not due to sales.
Also, it's crazy that other (apparently shitty) automakers can pay Tesla to stay with ICE vehicles while still making money.
I'm not disputing the report. Their criteria was strictly level 2-3 autonomy and within that given criteria GM super cruise excels (even though it cannot recognize or respond to traffic lights, or operate outside the geofenced highways). But the report also mentioned that in the actual performance, Tesla is superior. And you're right about making the competition think that they have a fighting chance, otherwise they'll simply give up and quit. . Tesla is aiming for full autonomy (level 5) and therefore driver monitoring is not their focus, if they wanted they can simply activate the interior camera by a software update, but I don't think they'll do it.
Talking about TSLA stock, I did pull out a bit - owing to the volatility due to COVID / potential defeat of Trump (I personally don't care whoever wins..) but will go harder soon....
Then Tesla needs to go all in and stop including steering wheels. It's not needed for full autonomy anyway.
Oh, and thank you for acknowledging that Tesla isn't actually concerned with safety.
Originally Posted by SamDoe1
Is FSD standard on Teslas? Last I checked it was an $8k option.
He just doesnt wanna get banned. that is why he didnt wanna take the bet.
Fool sounded all confident and shit a few days ago
Originally Posted by SamDoe1
Is FSD standard on Teslas? Last I checked it was an $8k option.
This.
It is an incredibly far fetched idea that they can have robotaxis next year lol. The issue is that they still haven't gotten to the point where the autonomous cars can share the road with idiot drivers.
It's still income but it's not due to sales.
Also, it's crazy that other (apparently shitty) automakers can pay Tesla to stay with ICE vehicles while still making money.
You can make all arguments you want. Statistics show that Tesla cars using its auto pilot / FSD are several times less likely to have accidents compared to a human driver, and the gap is widening with every passing second. Don’t know what you’ll say next year or so when Robotaxis will be roaming all over. May be you can hide inside your mom’s basement .
Now that is hope and nothing concrete? At least SSFTSX never backpedal
He just doesnt wanna get banned. that is why he didnt wanna take the bet.
Fool sounded all confident and shit a few days ago
Aren't you making fool of yourself talking about banning and stuff like that....? what's the purpose? I thought this was a forum for discussion. If you don't like what I'm saying then ignore me.
As I mentioned before better efficiency means more range/kwh, reduced charging time, and cheaper fuel costs.
People who are actually selling the cars give it 10% less range. with tire life at most 30K and that with all season 18inch rims.
My TSX has 600 mile range with 3 minute fill up. most Teslas will need 1.5h hours to recharge to match that range with twice the shorter life of tires. https://sfbay.craigslist.org/sby/cto...222285212.html 264 mi range, with actual range of 244∼246mi.
Tires at 5/32 all the way around.
Gasoline cars not becoming surplus but Tesla become surplus. https://sfbay.craigslist.org/pen/cto...223404426.html
Selling my 2020 Model 3. My landlord does not want to let me run the proper electric line to charge the car at my house and since I no longer have to commute to the office (and charge for free there) having a 3rd car is not necessary right now
Something about this story doesn't add up. How is someone able to actually start the car and drive off since this doesn't even have a physical key? Did they somehow manage to hack the information from her cellphone / Tesla app before that event? The thieves must be super nerdy fellas.
Because these companies can't do their job and make compelling low emission/EV cars that lots of people want to buy they have to give Tesla free money which Tesla will use to increase their lead in the EV market
Automakers who rely solely on ICE and fossil fuels are really screwed. I hope the Japanese see it somehow. I’d hate to see a good brand like Acura/ Honda sink into oblivion.
Automakers who rely solely on ICE and fossil fuels are really screwed. I hope the Japanese see it somehow. I’d hate to see a good brand like Acura/ Honda sink into oblivion.
I don't think Honda is at risk, to be honest as they're so diversified. I could see Mazda going under if they can't make it electric.
Honda sales in Europe very small. so Honda electrification starts from China. Tesla should worry about China. Chinese exports will bankrupt Berlin Factory. There wont be much difference between Apple and Tesla interms of manufacturing.
Automakers who rely solely on ICE and fossil fuels are really screwed. I hope the Japanese see it somehow. I’d hate to see a good brand like Acura/ Honda sink into oblivion.
I think Tesla is screwed and Acura will bankrupt them on the open market.
^This would make the Standard Plus Model 3 with 260mi range a $30k car
The LR 3 with 350mi range becomes $39.5k
The LR Y with 326mi range becomes $42.5k
I'm only interested in the LR 3 because the usable range would be like 210 miles if you follow something like 80/20 charging for battery longevity.
Or 245 if you follow 90/20.
^This would make the Standard Plus Model 3 with 260mi range a $30k car
The LR 3 with 350mi range becomes $39.5k
The LR Y with 326mi range becomes $42.5k
I don't think Honda is at risk, to be honest as they're so diversified. I could see Mazda going under if they can't make it electric.
Mazda would’ve been the perfect automaker to go all electric. They’ve got the performance orientation and design philosophy right, not sure what’s holding them back. Should’ve gone Full Monty couple of years back. Tesla is simply eating their cake.
Mazda would’ve been the perfect automaker to go all electric. They’ve got the performance orientation and design philosophy right, not sure what’s holding them back. Should’ve gone Full Monty couple of years back. Tesla is simply eating their cake.
the problem with $7500 credit is that consumers will wait untill it passes. so they will hold of on purchases
second with this credit once pass. Consumers will not be in hurry as they still want to put there choice and need of vehicle. A person looking for Minivan or body on frame SUV will not consider electric at this point.
it will increase pressure on ICE vehicle to give discounts.
It is a piece of cake for any established / upcoming electric vehicle manufacture (Tesla / Rivian / Lordstown / Lucid, etc) to create a minivan. They're not simply doing it now since they are concentrating on more profitable offerings (I understand that some are still on survival mode). But it'll come in future for sure and then the established minivan players will be in trouble unless they've already fully electrified.
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