Tesla: Model Y News
08-11-2017 | 07:35 AM
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Tesla: Model Y News
When Tesla CEO Elon Musk first set out on his dream of making electric cars not only cool, but profitable, the automotive world seemed to let out a collective chuckle. 13 years later and Tesla is one of the coolest car makers on the planet, and with a recent report of taking £2.79 billion in revenue, it clearly isn't doing too badly with sales either.
Now that the Model 3 has officially hit the roads, we are looking forward to the next car that Tesla is working on. The Model Y is Tesla’s new compact SUV, and completes the running joke in Elon Musk’s naming scheme, with the Model S, Model X and the recent Model 3.
The Model 3 was originally going to be called the E, making it a perfect fit, but due to a legal clash with Ford over the use of the letter E, Tesla went with it’s visual numerical equivalent. To be fair, the fact that the Y is coming along makes us a little more comfortable with the joke; it’s still juvenile but at least a car manufacturer hasn’t just plastered the word sex over its range.
There isn’t a great deal known about the Model Y at the moment but everything we know we’ve included below and we’ll keep you up to date with developments as and when we hear them.
According to a tweet from Musk, the Model Y is going to be built off the Model 3 chassis. This is interesting as Tesla already has an SUV (the Model X), so the fact that it’s being built off the chassis of the 3 potentially means it is aiming for a similar customer base.
According to the tweet from Elon Musk confirming that the Y is going to be built of the 3, he also confirmed that the ‘Spacebus’ was going to be built off the X. This is almost definitely going to be a minibus, but considering Musk’s other project SpaceX, the naming has led people to jokingly speculate that it would be for non-earth driving.
However, at a recent earnings report, Musk changed his stance on this and has said that certain elements would share manufacturing origins:
“The Model Y will be using substantial carryover from Model 3, which means it will come to market much faster.” While we don’t know exactly what ‘much faster’ will mean, we’re quietly hopeful that we’ll be seeing the Model Y by the end of 2018.
There isn’t a great deal known about the Model Y at the moment but everything we know we’ve included below and we’ll keep you up to date with developments as and when we hear them.
Now that the Model 3 has officially hit the roads, we are looking forward to the next car that Tesla is working on. The Model Y is Tesla’s new compact SUV, and completes the running joke in Elon Musk’s naming scheme, with the Model S, Model X and the recent Model 3.
The Model 3 was originally going to be called the E, making it a perfect fit, but due to a legal clash with Ford over the use of the letter E, Tesla went with it’s visual numerical equivalent. To be fair, the fact that the Y is coming along makes us a little more comfortable with the joke; it’s still juvenile but at least a car manufacturer hasn’t just plastered the word sex over its range.
There isn’t a great deal known about the Model Y at the moment but everything we know we’ve included below and we’ll keep you up to date with developments as and when we hear them.
Cut to the chase
- What is it? The compact SUV from electric car giant Tesla
- What’s the range? Currently unknown
- How do I reserve one? You can’t yet
- When is it out? Possibly 2018
- What will it cost? Currently unknown, likely less than the X
- How fast is it? Currently unknown
Tesla Model Y: What is it?
The Model Y will be the first compact SUV offering from the electric car manufacturer. It makes sense as a move for Tesla, considering the success of other compact SUV’s like the Toyota RAV4 and Ford Escape in the US market. Musk is obviously aware of the value of the compact SUV market, referring to itat the “biggest product segment in the world”.According to a tweet from Musk, the Model Y is going to be built off the Model 3 chassis. This is interesting as Tesla already has an SUV (the Model X), so the fact that it’s being built off the chassis of the 3 potentially means it is aiming for a similar customer base.
According to the tweet from Elon Musk confirming that the Y is going to be built of the 3, he also confirmed that the ‘Spacebus’ was going to be built off the X. This is almost definitely going to be a minibus, but considering Musk’s other project SpaceX, the naming has led people to jokingly speculate that it would be for non-earth driving.
Tesla Model Y: Release date
Originally Musk had claimed that the Model Y was going to be manufactured in a way entirely independent of the Model 3, and was due for a 2019 / 2020 release.However, at a recent earnings report, Musk changed his stance on this and has said that certain elements would share manufacturing origins:
“The Model Y will be using substantial carryover from Model 3, which means it will come to market much faster.” While we don’t know exactly what ‘much faster’ will mean, we’re quietly hopeful that we’ll be seeing the Model Y by the end of 2018.
There isn’t a great deal known about the Model Y at the moment but everything we know we’ve included below and we’ll keep you up to date with developments as and when we hear them.
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08-11-2017 | 07:36 AM
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Whatever new technologies Tesla Motors' new Model 3 might contain as it reaches consumers this year, there is one thing it will contain much less of -- and that's wiring.
According to Tesla CEO Elon Musk, the Model 3 will represent an enormous advance in architectural efficiency by requiring a fraction of the electrical wiring that is needed in its older vehicle, the Model S.
Musk told analysts in May that the Model 3 will require just 5,000 feet of wiring.
By comparison, Musk said, Tesla's five-door liftback Model S -- launched in 2012 -- requires about 10,000 feet of wiring to operate.
But Musk gave analysts an even more startling product tidbit in the conversation: Tesla's next model -- the Model Y small crossover -- will require only 328 feet of wiring in construction, he said.
Tesla has revealed little about the Model Y. The company says it will arrive in 2019 or 2020, although the date is apparently not firm. Musk said Tesla will move away from conventional 12-volt systems.
The California automaker has its hands full launching the Model 3, a long anticipated compact electric vehicle that Tesla is expected to retail for around $35,000.
If the introduction goes as planned, the Model 3 will take Tesla and its sole assembly plant into the realm of high-volume production. Until now, Tesla's Fremont, Calif., plant has been turning out fewer than 100,000 sedans and crossovers a year. Tesla anticipates the addition of Model 3 production this year will eventually lift plant volume to nearly 500,000 vehicles a year.Vehicle electrical wiring is one of the most problematic issues of auto assembly, and wire harnesses themselves can be troublesome systems. Simplifying the distribution of electricity through a car can have an impact on how long it takes to produce a car in an assembly plant.
That has been a key issue for Tesla, which has a growing number of products coming out of a single factory.
Musk hopes to accelerate production cycle time through a combination of plant automation and by designing vehicles for simpler construction — such as the Model 3 and the Model Y.
Musk told analysts that the Model Y's production plan will be a step apart from what Tesla -- or the rest of the industry -- is currently doing.
"There will be nothing close to it," he hinted, although providing no details.
Read more: Tesla's upcoming Model Y will use significantly less wiring
According to Tesla CEO Elon Musk, the Model 3 will represent an enormous advance in architectural efficiency by requiring a fraction of the electrical wiring that is needed in its older vehicle, the Model S.
Musk told analysts in May that the Model 3 will require just 5,000 feet of wiring.
By comparison, Musk said, Tesla's five-door liftback Model S -- launched in 2012 -- requires about 10,000 feet of wiring to operate.
But Musk gave analysts an even more startling product tidbit in the conversation: Tesla's next model -- the Model Y small crossover -- will require only 328 feet of wiring in construction, he said.
Musk says the huge elimination of wiring will be possible through new electrical systems that use different voltage and power transmission hardware.
The Model Y's new architecture will use a new approach to electrical distribution, although Musk did not clearly explain how Tesla is doing it.Tesla has revealed little about the Model Y. The company says it will arrive in 2019 or 2020, although the date is apparently not firm. Musk said Tesla will move away from conventional 12-volt systems.
The California automaker has its hands full launching the Model 3, a long anticipated compact electric vehicle that Tesla is expected to retail for around $35,000.
If the introduction goes as planned, the Model 3 will take Tesla and its sole assembly plant into the realm of high-volume production. Until now, Tesla's Fremont, Calif., plant has been turning out fewer than 100,000 sedans and crossovers a year. Tesla anticipates the addition of Model 3 production this year will eventually lift plant volume to nearly 500,000 vehicles a year.Vehicle electrical wiring is one of the most problematic issues of auto assembly, and wire harnesses themselves can be troublesome systems. Simplifying the distribution of electricity through a car can have an impact on how long it takes to produce a car in an assembly plant.
That has been a key issue for Tesla, which has a growing number of products coming out of a single factory.
Musk hopes to accelerate production cycle time through a combination of plant automation and by designing vehicles for simpler construction — such as the Model 3 and the Model Y.
Musk told analysts that the Model Y's production plan will be a step apart from what Tesla -- or the rest of the industry -- is currently doing.
"There will be nothing close to it," he hinted, although providing no details.
Read more: Tesla's upcoming Model Y will use significantly less wiring
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03-04-2019 | 03:02 PM
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https://www.engadget.com/2019/03/03/...on-march-14th/
Tesla is following up a very busy February with an even more hectic March. Elon Musk has announced that his brand will unveil the long-promised Model Y crossover at the LA Design Studio on March 14th. On top of that, you can expect the first "v3.0" Supercharger station to switch on March 6th at 8PM Pacific. Musk didn't provide more clues beyond that, but you might already have an idea as to what to expect.
The Model Y should be to the Model X what the Model 3 is to the Model S -- that is, a more affordable version of an EV in the same category. You might see features comparable to the Model 3, just in a form factor that's more suited to the SUV crowd. Tesla hasn't said how many components the Model Y will share with the 3, although it might reuse many of them to save money and streamline production. There had been talk of using Model X-style "falcon wing" doors, although Musk acknowledged problems with them early on and isn't guaranteed to keep them in a lower-priced vehicle. Production is estimated to start sometime in 2020.
As for the Supercharger? Musk has been coy on specifics, although he teased in the past that competitors' cutting-edge 350kW stations would seem like a "children's toy." If so, supporting cars could top up their batteries within several minutes rather than the near-hour it takes today. That support is the key, mind you. It's not clear that any Teslas currently on the road can handle that kind of charging speed, so you might have to wait for the Model Y, Roadster or other future vehicles to make full use of next-gen Superchargers.
Update 3/3 6:10PM ET: Musk tweeted out additional details about the Model Y. He noted that it'll be "about 10% bigger" than the Model 3, and should cost proportionately more. It'll also have "slightly less range" with similar batteries, he said. The exec added that this is a full-fledged introduction, complete with pricing, specs and test rides for journalists.
The Model Y should be to the Model X what the Model 3 is to the Model S -- that is, a more affordable version of an EV in the same category. You might see features comparable to the Model 3, just in a form factor that's more suited to the SUV crowd. Tesla hasn't said how many components the Model Y will share with the 3, although it might reuse many of them to save money and streamline production. There had been talk of using Model X-style "falcon wing" doors, although Musk acknowledged problems with them early on and isn't guaranteed to keep them in a lower-priced vehicle. Production is estimated to start sometime in 2020.
As for the Supercharger? Musk has been coy on specifics, although he teased in the past that competitors' cutting-edge 350kW stations would seem like a "children's toy." If so, supporting cars could top up their batteries within several minutes rather than the near-hour it takes today. That support is the key, mind you. It's not clear that any Teslas currently on the road can handle that kind of charging speed, so you might have to wait for the Model Y, Roadster or other future vehicles to make full use of next-gen Superchargers.
Update 3/3 6:10PM ET: Musk tweeted out additional details about the Model Y. He noted that it'll be "about 10% bigger" than the Model 3, and should cost proportionately more. It'll also have "slightly less range" with similar batteries, he said. The exec added that this is a full-fledged introduction, complete with pricing, specs and test rides for journalists.
03-14-2019 | 07:14 PM
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Pretty boring presentation.
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03-14-2019 | 11:07 PM
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Expects Model Y to sell more than Model S, Model X, and Model 3 combined
Configurate at https://www.tesla.com/modely
Configurate at https://www.tesla.com/modely
03-14-2019 | 11:58 PM
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Smaller than the Model X yet so has a third row? The third row in the Model X is tiny as is.
At least it's not as strange looking as the Model X is proportion-wise. The interior is still overly pain. Needs a gauge cluster, or at least more physical buttons.
At least it's not as strange looking as the Model X is proportion-wise. The interior is still overly pain. Needs a gauge cluster, or at least more physical buttons.
03-15-2019 | 12:15 AM
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Tesla wants a $2,500 deposit for Model Y now.
It was $1,000 with Model 3. Someone needs a cash infusion.
I wonder how many pre-orders they'll get. They got 180,000 pre-orders within 24 hours with Model 3, and over 325,000 in 1 week.
It was $1,000 with Model 3. Someone needs a cash infusion.
I wonder how many pre-orders they'll get. They got 180,000 pre-orders within 24 hours with Model 3, and over 325,000 in 1 week.
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03-15-2019 | 06:55 AM
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The whole thing started with a pun, of sorts, or maybe a goofily bad joke. When Tesla’s Elon Musk launched the Model S, the S just stood for Sedan. He knew there’d be a crossover, which would have to be the X, and with S and X he was two-thirds of the way to spelling out “SEX,” which to his schoolboy sense of humor was hilarious. So, of course, when the smaller sedan came out he wanted to call it the E just so all the letters together would spell out “SEX.” But Ford had a trademark – or something – on the letter E, Musk said, so his team convinced him that a 3 looks enough like a backwards E that everyone would get the joke. And with all that already in place, the fourth model would have to be a Y just so altogether they’d spell out “SEXY.” Really, this was Musk’s thinking.
He was cracking himself up on the stage at the Tesla design center in Hawthorne, Calif. Thursday night. And the assembled crowd of maybe one or two thousand admirers and Tesla owners (some of whom got their invitations after making loads of sales referrals) loved it.
Yes, on Thursday night Elon Musk revealed the latest model from the Tesla franchise: the Model 3-based Model Y crossover. Musk stood before the usual throng of Tesla fans who squealed like junior high school cheerleaders at a pop concert. “We love you, Elon!” they whinnied. “I love you more,” he said. (I was frankly surprised he didn’t call them minions. It’s such a cult.)
It’s an important launch, maybe Tesla’s most important ever. The Model Y shows promise of being the shot in the arm Tesla needs to launch itself into the mainstream of full-scale car manufacturers. The market is going crazy for crossovers, particularly mid-sized crossovers, and that is right where the Model Y fits. It shares the same platform, center console, seats and wheelbase as the Model 3 sedan, but has its own doors, roof pillars and panoramic roof, the latter surely the largest in the class. Seating for up to seven people will be a $3000 option, while range will go from 230 to as high as 300 miles depending on model choice. Coefficient of drag will be a remarkable 0.23, making it one of the most wind-slippery production vehicles in history. And, Tesla notes on its configurator, “all cars have premium interior and sound.”
The Model Y will eventually come in four different trims: Standard, Long Range, Dual-Motor All-Wheel Drive and Performance. Pricing and performance (lower case p) covers a wide swath of market options, from the $40,200 (with $1200 delivery) Standard model to the $61,200 Performance (incl. del.). Those prices are well below – like as much as a hundred grand below – a larger Model X crossover, which should open the market up to far more buyers that would otherwise have had to buy a less-practical sedan or, gawd-forbid, a gasoline-powered crossover ute.
The Long Range, Dual-Motor All-Wheel Drive and Performance models will be first on the market, naturally, since they will be priced higher and will mean more profit for the mother ship. But they’re still a fair ways out, with first deliveries of those first three trim levels not expected until the fall of 2020.
The Performance model will live up to its name, launching from 0-60 in 3.5 seconds and hitting a top speed of 150 mph, all the while sporting what Tesla promises will be “excellent handling for any road condition.” With its extra get-up-and-go the Performance model will offer “only” 280 miles of range. Look for the Performance trim to launch in the fall of 2020.
The Dual-Motor All-Wheel Drive will also offer 280 miles range but with a top speed of 135 mph and a 0-60 of 4.0 seconds. It’ll sticker for $52,200. The Long-Range Model Y will sport 300 miles range and will sticker for $48,200.
Just as its Model 3 predecessor, the entry level Model Y Standard will take longer to come to market, with a planned release date of spring 2021. It will sport a 120-mph top speed, 0-60 in 5.9 seconds and will offer a range of 230 miles. It’ll sticker for $40,200 including destination and delivery charges.
I got a brief ride in a Model Y around Tesla’s – and SpaceX’s and The Boring Company’s – Hawthorne facility. I was crammed into the middle row between a skinny guy on my left and a larger gentleman on my right. We were shoulder-to-shoulder and crammed in there pretty good. I couldn’t get my seatbelt latched and so just decided to pray for the short two or three-minute ride while the enthusiastic driver launched down a blocked-off street. He noted that none of us screamed during his mighty launch. Apparently everyone in the Y (except me) was already a Tesla owner and was used to the wild acceleration available in an all-electric Tesla. I was just too cool to scream. And I noted that acceleration wasn’t as quick as Models S, E and X (there, I did it). It was quick but it wasn’t close to Ludicrous Mode. The screen on the dash looked like the same one in the Model 3, as were most of the Model Y parts from maybe the beltline down. With that we were back at the pick up and drop off zone and were done. I asked the Tesla personnel if they’d mind me taking a Y out for a spin. They said no.
Considering that the market is going nuts for crossovers, the Model Y is Tesla’s smartest product-planning move so far. There are only so many buyers who can fork over $145,000 or so for a nicely loaded Model X. There are hundreds of thousands of buyers who can order a crossover that costs $40,200. Knocking a hundred grand off it’s crossover lineup can only be seen as a smart move for Tesla.
Read more: https://autoweek.com/article/car-new...#ixzz5iEzJpX3N
He was cracking himself up on the stage at the Tesla design center in Hawthorne, Calif. Thursday night. And the assembled crowd of maybe one or two thousand admirers and Tesla owners (some of whom got their invitations after making loads of sales referrals) loved it.
Yes, on Thursday night Elon Musk revealed the latest model from the Tesla franchise: the Model 3-based Model Y crossover. Musk stood before the usual throng of Tesla fans who squealed like junior high school cheerleaders at a pop concert. “We love you, Elon!” they whinnied. “I love you more,” he said. (I was frankly surprised he didn’t call them minions. It’s such a cult.)
It’s an important launch, maybe Tesla’s most important ever. The Model Y shows promise of being the shot in the arm Tesla needs to launch itself into the mainstream of full-scale car manufacturers. The market is going crazy for crossovers, particularly mid-sized crossovers, and that is right where the Model Y fits. It shares the same platform, center console, seats and wheelbase as the Model 3 sedan, but has its own doors, roof pillars and panoramic roof, the latter surely the largest in the class. Seating for up to seven people will be a $3000 option, while range will go from 230 to as high as 300 miles depending on model choice. Coefficient of drag will be a remarkable 0.23, making it one of the most wind-slippery production vehicles in history. And, Tesla notes on its configurator, “all cars have premium interior and sound.”
The Model Y will eventually come in four different trims: Standard, Long Range, Dual-Motor All-Wheel Drive and Performance. Pricing and performance (lower case p) covers a wide swath of market options, from the $40,200 (with $1200 delivery) Standard model to the $61,200 Performance (incl. del.). Those prices are well below – like as much as a hundred grand below – a larger Model X crossover, which should open the market up to far more buyers that would otherwise have had to buy a less-practical sedan or, gawd-forbid, a gasoline-powered crossover ute.
The Long Range, Dual-Motor All-Wheel Drive and Performance models will be first on the market, naturally, since they will be priced higher and will mean more profit for the mother ship. But they’re still a fair ways out, with first deliveries of those first three trim levels not expected until the fall of 2020.
The Performance model will live up to its name, launching from 0-60 in 3.5 seconds and hitting a top speed of 150 mph, all the while sporting what Tesla promises will be “excellent handling for any road condition.” With its extra get-up-and-go the Performance model will offer “only” 280 miles of range. Look for the Performance trim to launch in the fall of 2020.
The Dual-Motor All-Wheel Drive will also offer 280 miles range but with a top speed of 135 mph and a 0-60 of 4.0 seconds. It’ll sticker for $52,200. The Long-Range Model Y will sport 300 miles range and will sticker for $48,200.
Just as its Model 3 predecessor, the entry level Model Y Standard will take longer to come to market, with a planned release date of spring 2021. It will sport a 120-mph top speed, 0-60 in 5.9 seconds and will offer a range of 230 miles. It’ll sticker for $40,200 including destination and delivery charges.
I got a brief ride in a Model Y around Tesla’s – and SpaceX’s and The Boring Company’s – Hawthorne facility. I was crammed into the middle row between a skinny guy on my left and a larger gentleman on my right. We were shoulder-to-shoulder and crammed in there pretty good. I couldn’t get my seatbelt latched and so just decided to pray for the short two or three-minute ride while the enthusiastic driver launched down a blocked-off street. He noted that none of us screamed during his mighty launch. Apparently everyone in the Y (except me) was already a Tesla owner and was used to the wild acceleration available in an all-electric Tesla. I was just too cool to scream. And I noted that acceleration wasn’t as quick as Models S, E and X (there, I did it). It was quick but it wasn’t close to Ludicrous Mode. The screen on the dash looked like the same one in the Model 3, as were most of the Model Y parts from maybe the beltline down. With that we were back at the pick up and drop off zone and were done. I asked the Tesla personnel if they’d mind me taking a Y out for a spin. They said no.
Considering that the market is going nuts for crossovers, the Model Y is Tesla’s smartest product-planning move so far. There are only so many buyers who can fork over $145,000 or so for a nicely loaded Model X. There are hundreds of thousands of buyers who can order a crossover that costs $40,200. Knocking a hundred grand off it’s crossover lineup can only be seen as a smart move for Tesla.
Read more: https://autoweek.com/article/car-new...#ixzz5iEzJpX3N
03-15-2019 | 09:12 AM
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Subjective, but I think the Tesla lineup looks great. Therein lies the flaw, they all look derivative of each other.
Tesla is simply following the traditional American automaker philosophy of raiding the parts bin. They go a step further though, doing the same thing for the exterior.
Tesla is simply following the traditional American automaker philosophy of raiding the parts bin. They go a step further though, doing the same thing for the exterior.
03-15-2019 | 11:18 AM
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Looks like a cut rate Porsche Macan that probably won't handle as well. That said, I like it and the price seems to be (surprisingly) quite good for what it is. I'd buy a Performance AWD model for $65k (optioned up) and be pretty happy.
10-16-2019 | 07:37 AM
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The floodgates of Tesla Model Y prototype sightings have opened and today, and we’ve got a look at a beautiful new Midnight Silver Model Y prototype spotted in California.
In March, Tesla unveiled the Model Y, an all-electric crossover with up to 300 miles of range.
The automaker said that it plans to bring the vehicle to production in fall 2020.
We recently learned that Tesla is working on a fifth assembly line at the Fremont factory as the automaker is preparing the production of its fifth electric vehicle.
Earlier this month, a Model Y prototype was spotted being tested around Tesla’s headquarters in Palo Alto and since then, there has been a more steady stream of Model Y sightings.
Yesterday, we reported on a bunch of Tesla Model Y vehicles with new wheels spotted on a carrier near the factory.
Now one more Tesla Model Y prototype was spotted testing in California (via Mario Borisov on Faceboook):
The beautiful new Model Y prototype has a Midnight Silver paint job, a chrome delete, and it is equipped with Tesla’s new ‘Power Sports’ aero wheels.
We recently reported on a closer look at Tesla’s new Sports aerodynamic wheels, which the automaker has so far only offered on the Model 3 in China.
There have been several rumors since Tesla unveiled the Model Y that the automaker is planning to start production sooner than originally announced (September to December 2020), but there’s no serious evidence that it is the case.
It’s normal for Tesla to conduct road testing around a year ahead of production.
I’d be surprised if Tesla starts volume production ahead of time considering the current bottlenecks in Model 3 production.
Though Tesla could announce a fix for the main one, battery supply, at Tesla’s ‘Battery and Powertrain Investor Day’ early next year.
In March, Tesla unveiled the Model Y, an all-electric crossover with up to 300 miles of range.
The automaker said that it plans to bring the vehicle to production in fall 2020.
We recently learned that Tesla is working on a fifth assembly line at the Fremont factory as the automaker is preparing the production of its fifth electric vehicle.
Earlier this month, a Model Y prototype was spotted being tested around Tesla’s headquarters in Palo Alto and since then, there has been a more steady stream of Model Y sightings.
Yesterday, we reported on a bunch of Tesla Model Y vehicles with new wheels spotted on a carrier near the factory.
Now one more Tesla Model Y prototype was spotted testing in California (via Mario Borisov on Faceboook):
The beautiful new Model Y prototype has a Midnight Silver paint job, a chrome delete, and it is equipped with Tesla’s new ‘Power Sports’ aero wheels.
We recently reported on a closer look at Tesla’s new Sports aerodynamic wheels, which the automaker has so far only offered on the Model 3 in China.
Electrek’s Take
Tesla seems to be ramping up its Model Y testing on public roads.There have been several rumors since Tesla unveiled the Model Y that the automaker is planning to start production sooner than originally announced (September to December 2020), but there’s no serious evidence that it is the case.
It’s normal for Tesla to conduct road testing around a year ahead of production.
I’d be surprised if Tesla starts volume production ahead of time considering the current bottlenecks in Model 3 production.
Though Tesla could announce a fix for the main one, battery supply, at Tesla’s ‘Battery and Powertrain Investor Day’ early next year.
10-16-2019 | 01:25 PM
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Were you expecting the Tesla fanboys over at Electrek to be objective?
Yeah. Definitely an awkward looking rear from side.
It's that body line for the liftgate. Not as smooth and integrated as the Model X
Yeah. Definitely an awkward looking rear from side.
It's that body line for the liftgate. Not as smooth and integrated as the Model X
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10-16-2019 | 03:17 PM
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10-16-2019 | 03:35 PM
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Hard to compare a Model 3/Y price point to a Taycan though
If i want something in the foreseeable future that's not at a crazy price point, my options are a bit limited.
10-16-2019 | 03:42 PM
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12-15-2019 | 11:20 PM
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In fact I like the Model Y better, as it seems to have a design flair and the Model X looks rather plain and traditional to me. Just in case if you are not accounting for the price.
12-15-2019 | 11:51 PM
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Honestly, I was thinking similar to most of you guys until a few months ago, never gave Tesla a serious thought. After driving a friend's Model S and 3, I'm becoming converted though. The "shockingly bold and ugly" Cybertruck reveal seems to be the turning point for me so much that I decided to put down a deposit for these cars.
Tesla seems to have everything that I look for in a automobile company.
Advanced technology, Powerful motor (HP and torque), Nearly silent powertrain (electric), longest available range, Supercharger network (no range anxiety where I live), free over the air updates to significantly improve the performance of the car, free navigation (Google maps), Free mobile phone connectivity (almost every other automaker seems to need a paid monthly subscription to Sirius XM after a trial period), No dealerships (middlemen) to lie to you, cheat and rake in your money for profit (everyone pays the same price for a car), No yearly service and associated costs, No maintenance needed (yes that's true - my friend never did it but only spent $23 for a door switch in 6 years), minimal fuel (electric) costs, American make and made fully in USA, Environmentally great compared to gasoline cars, Coolest car on the planet that I can afford now.
Please tell me another car that has all of these features.
Yes, a little bit of non premium interior and awkwardness in features, and not so comfy ride I can live with, if there is so much going for it. Many claim that Tesla service is limited when you need it, but c'mon how many cars really needed them. A majority of the problems are handled wirelessly and you never need to take the car out of your garage. For the other times, they may provide a loaner.
These cars of not like ICE cars with so many moving part that need frequent tune ups, oil changes and other stuff. Its like comparing a Floppy disc to a Flash drive, CRT televisions to LED screen, Old school film camera to digital cameras, Cassette players to DVDs or digital players. There is simply no comparison, that is the future and Tesla has proven every naysayer wrong at every turn.
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12-16-2019 | 02:30 AM
#36
Null and proud of it
Joined: Mar 2016
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From: Metairie, LA
You already know that all of these "competitor" EVs have flopped in the market. And Mercedes thought wise to postpone its electric foray into US fearing a similar fate. As it is, people trust Tesla in the EV market more than anybody else and with good reason too.
Honestly, I was thinking similar to most of you guys until a few months ago, never gave Tesla a serious thought. After driving a friend's Model S and 3, I'm becoming converted though. The "shockingly bold and ugly" Cybertruck reveal seems to be the turning point for me so much that I decided to put down a deposit for these cars.
Tesla seems to have everything that I look for in a automobile company.
Advanced technology, Powerful motor (HP and torque), Nearly silent powertrain (electric), longest available range, Supercharger network (no range anxiety where I live), free over the air updates to significantly improve the performance of the car, free navigation (Google maps), Free mobile phone connectivity (almost every other automaker seems to need a paid monthly subscription to Sirius XM after a trial period), No dealerships (middlemen) to lie to you, cheat and rake in your money for profit (everyone pays the same price for a car), No yearly service and associated costs, No maintenance needed (yes that's true - my friend never did it but only spent $23 for a door switch in 6 years), minimal fuel (electric) costs, American make and made fully in USA, Environmentally great compared to gasoline cars, Coolest car on the planet that I can afford now.
Please tell me another car that has all of these features.
Yes, a little bit of non premium interior and awkwardness in features, and not so comfy ride I can live with, if there is so much going for it. Many claim that Tesla service is limited when you need it, but c'mon how many cars really needed them. A majority of the problems are handled wirelessly and you never need to take the car out of your garage. For the other times, they may provide a loaner.
These cars of not like ICE cars with so many moving part that need frequent tune ups, oil changes and other stuff. Its like comparing a Floppy disc to a Flash drive, CRT televisions to LED screen, Old school film camera to digital cameras, Cassette players to DVDs or digital players. There is simply no comparison, that is the future and Tesla has proven every naysayer wrong at every turn.
Honestly, I was thinking similar to most of you guys until a few months ago, never gave Tesla a serious thought. After driving a friend's Model S and 3, I'm becoming converted though. The "shockingly bold and ugly" Cybertruck reveal seems to be the turning point for me so much that I decided to put down a deposit for these cars.
Tesla seems to have everything that I look for in a automobile company.
Advanced technology, Powerful motor (HP and torque), Nearly silent powertrain (electric), longest available range, Supercharger network (no range anxiety where I live), free over the air updates to significantly improve the performance of the car, free navigation (Google maps), Free mobile phone connectivity (almost every other automaker seems to need a paid monthly subscription to Sirius XM after a trial period), No dealerships (middlemen) to lie to you, cheat and rake in your money for profit (everyone pays the same price for a car), No yearly service and associated costs, No maintenance needed (yes that's true - my friend never did it but only spent $23 for a door switch in 6 years), minimal fuel (electric) costs, American make and made fully in USA, Environmentally great compared to gasoline cars, Coolest car on the planet that I can afford now.
Please tell me another car that has all of these features.
Yes, a little bit of non premium interior and awkwardness in features, and not so comfy ride I can live with, if there is so much going for it. Many claim that Tesla service is limited when you need it, but c'mon how many cars really needed them. A majority of the problems are handled wirelessly and you never need to take the car out of your garage. For the other times, they may provide a loaner.
These cars of not like ICE cars with so many moving part that need frequent tune ups, oil changes and other stuff. Its like comparing a Floppy disc to a Flash drive, CRT televisions to LED screen, Old school film camera to digital cameras, Cassette players to DVDs or digital players. There is simply no comparison, that is the future and Tesla has proven every naysayer wrong at every turn.
But what if you plan to keep the car 20 years?
It's not a big deal if it needs a repair but I'd be concerned that Tesla corporate would just decide to terminate or deny serviceing the car one day and your stuck with a car no one can work on.
I literally just realized this, but otherwise, all of your points are valid.
12-16-2019 | 07:26 AM
#37
2014 RDX AWD Tech
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But what if you plan to keep the car 20 years?
It's not a big deal if it needs a repair but I'd be concerned that Tesla corporate would just decide to terminate or deny serviceing the car one day and your stuck with a car no one can work on.
I literally just realized this, but otherwise, all of your points are valid.
It's not a big deal if it needs a repair but I'd be concerned that Tesla corporate would just decide to terminate or deny serviceing the car one day and your stuck with a car no one can work on.
I literally just realized this, but otherwise, all of your points are valid.
There’s as much chance of that happening as google making online searches payable or google deleting all of your personal photos. Yes it’s possible but the chances are far minuscule.
I’d rather not have a roadside mechanic work on my car. The only concern I may have is battery degradation overtime and losing range, but that has not been a big issue as everyone made it out to be. The batteries have proven to be more resilient than they thought. Pretty soon Tesla will be coming out with the million mile battery (hoping the rumors are true) and ICE will be history.
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12-16-2019 | 08:36 AM
#38
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Joined: Dec 2013
Posts: 16,454
Likes: 6,252
From: Minnesnowta
You already know that all of these "competitor" EVs have flopped in the market. And Mercedes thought wise to postpone its electric foray into US fearing a similar fate. As it is, people trust Tesla in the EV market more than anybody else and with good reason too.
Honestly, I was thinking similar to most of you guys until a few months ago, never gave Tesla a serious thought. After driving a friend's Model S and 3, I'm becoming converted though. The "shockingly bold and ugly" Cybertruck reveal seems to be the turning point for me so much that I decided to put down a deposit for these cars.
Tesla seems to have everything that I look for in a automobile company.
Advanced technology, Powerful motor (HP and torque), Nearly silent powertrain (electric), longest available range, Supercharger network (no range anxiety where I live), free over the air updates to significantly improve the performance of the car, free navigation (Google maps), Free mobile phone connectivity (almost every other automaker seems to need a paid monthly subscription to Sirius XM after a trial period), No dealerships (middlemen) to lie to you, cheat and rake in your money for profit (everyone pays the same price for a car), No yearly service and associated costs, No maintenance needed (yes that's true - my friend never did it but only spent $23 for a door switch in 6 years), minimal fuel (electric) costs, American make and made fully in USA, Environmentally great compared to gasoline cars, Coolest car on the planet that I can afford now.
Please tell me another car that has all of these features.
Yes, a little bit of non premium interior and awkwardness in features, and not so comfy ride I can live with, if there is so much going for it. Many claim that Tesla service is limited when you need it, but c'mon how many cars really needed them. A majority of the problems are handled wirelessly and you never need to take the car out of your garage. For the other times, they may provide a loaner.
These cars of not like ICE cars with so many moving part that need frequent tune ups, oil changes and other stuff. Its like comparing a Floppy disc to a Flash drive, CRT televisions to LED screen, Old school film camera to digital cameras, Cassette players to DVDs or digital players. There is simply no comparison, that is the future and Tesla has proven every naysayer wrong at every turn.
Honestly, I was thinking similar to most of you guys until a few months ago, never gave Tesla a serious thought. After driving a friend's Model S and 3, I'm becoming converted though. The "shockingly bold and ugly" Cybertruck reveal seems to be the turning point for me so much that I decided to put down a deposit for these cars.
Tesla seems to have everything that I look for in a automobile company.
Advanced technology, Powerful motor (HP and torque), Nearly silent powertrain (electric), longest available range, Supercharger network (no range anxiety where I live), free over the air updates to significantly improve the performance of the car, free navigation (Google maps), Free mobile phone connectivity (almost every other automaker seems to need a paid monthly subscription to Sirius XM after a trial period), No dealerships (middlemen) to lie to you, cheat and rake in your money for profit (everyone pays the same price for a car), No yearly service and associated costs, No maintenance needed (yes that's true - my friend never did it but only spent $23 for a door switch in 6 years), minimal fuel (electric) costs, American make and made fully in USA, Environmentally great compared to gasoline cars, Coolest car on the planet that I can afford now.
Please tell me another car that has all of these features.
Yes, a little bit of non premium interior and awkwardness in features, and not so comfy ride I can live with, if there is so much going for it. Many claim that Tesla service is limited when you need it, but c'mon how many cars really needed them. A majority of the problems are handled wirelessly and you never need to take the car out of your garage. For the other times, they may provide a loaner.
These cars of not like ICE cars with so many moving part that need frequent tune ups, oil changes and other stuff. Its like comparing a Floppy disc to a Flash drive, CRT televisions to LED screen, Old school film camera to digital cameras, Cassette players to DVDs or digital players. There is simply no comparison, that is the future and Tesla has proven every naysayer wrong at every turn.
Also MB delayed the launch because of sales interest in Europe.
12-16-2019 | 10:47 AM
#39
2014 RDX AWD Tech
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I hope MB makes it in Europe at least.
12-16-2019 | 01:12 PM
#40
Sanest Florida Man
Joined: Aug 2007
Posts: 44,711
Likes: 10,976
From: Florida
That's the same argument used against Amazon for 15 years. Tesla is not about providing returns to shareholders, they're putting all of their money into expanding production, they just built a Gigafactory in China in 11 months, that cost a lot of money, they're now starting to build another one in Germany, and expanding their Supercharger network, etc. Tesla's mission is to accelerate the world's transition to sustainable energy, not to make a profit ASAP.
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