Tesla: Model Y News
03-15-2020, 06:27 PM
#201
As shown by BMW the trend going forward will be absence of spare tire which will improve the cargo space reduce curb weight and improve performance and fuel efficiency. We just have to get used to that.
03-15-2020, 07:40 PM
#202
2014 RDX most probably designed in 2010 as it was on sale spring of 2012 as 2013 model.
BEV still are heavy.
68 cargo feet is maximum cargo space. what is the meaning of word "Maximum"
https://www.tesla.com/modely
BEV still are heavy.
68 cargo feet is maximum cargo space. what is the meaning of word "Maximum"
https://www.tesla.com/modely
03-15-2020, 08:34 PM
#203
May be you are right about the cargo space. I'm not sure about it now.
03-15-2020, 08:42 PM
#204
its very fast delivery than usual. demand problem. Minimum width of wheel is 9.5 inch.
https://cleantechnica.com/2020/03/14...d-in-12-hours/
Silversmith, who ordered his Model Y in January 2020, was shocked when he got his delivery so fast. He did order the Performance version fully loaded with the exception of the white interior and third-row seating. That must have helped. In any case, it’s great to see Model Ys being delivered into the hands of happy new Tesla owners.
https://cleantechnica.com/2020/03/14...d-in-12-hours/
Silversmith, who ordered his Model Y in January 2020, was shocked when he got his delivery so fast. He did order the Performance version fully loaded with the exception of the white interior and third-row seating. That must have helped. In any case, it’s great to see Model Ys being delivered into the hands of happy new Tesla owners.
03-17-2020, 11:30 AM
#206
Sanest Florida Man
Tesla Model Y heat pump solves range impact in cold climates
The Tesla Model Y‘s addition of a heat pump is one of the electric crossover’s most unique features. It’s a subtle change from Tesla’s typical electric resistance heating system, but it could make the Model Y the best winter vehicle in the company’s lineup yet.
Electric resistance heating systems are considered 100% efficient because of their equivalent output of heat compared to their energy usage, but they do have areas for improvement. Extensive use of resistance heating, for one, results in lower real-world range when driving in colder temperatures. This results in reduced range.
It appears that Tesla has acknowledged and recognized this challenge, and thus, decided to equip a heat pump on the Model Y instead of its usual electric resistive heating system. The details of the Model Y’s heat pump are described in a recent video from Tesla enthusiast and YouTuber Andy Slye, who showed the advantages of the new system compared to the ones used in the Model 3, S, and X.
A heat pump is, in a way, an air conditioner that can work in reverse.” An A/C unit uses refrigerant to trap heat inside an area before moving it outside. A heat pump works in a similar fashion, but it is also equipped with a reversing valve that allows the unit to reverse the flow of the refrigerant, generating heat.
The heat pump does really not generate heat, with the system moving hot air into specific areas instead. Electricity is used by a compressor to send refrigerant around the system and capture the heat outside before bringing it inside. This is made possible by the refrigerant’s low boiling point. This allows heat pumps to be very efficient, generating 3 kW of thermal energy for every 1 kW of energy used.
Ultimately, this new system could help eliminate concerns about operating their electric vehicles in colder climates. After all, winter driving in an electric car usually results in decreased range. The Model Y, with its efficient heat pump, will likely still get close to its rated range even when temperatures drop. This should make the Model Y very attractive to mainstream buyers too, as it is an electric vehicle that can guarantee a lot of range per charge, regardless of outside temperatures.
Slye’s video about the new heat pump system is below.
Electric resistance heating systems are considered 100% efficient because of their equivalent output of heat compared to their energy usage, but they do have areas for improvement. Extensive use of resistance heating, for one, results in lower real-world range when driving in colder temperatures. This results in reduced range.
It appears that Tesla has acknowledged and recognized this challenge, and thus, decided to equip a heat pump on the Model Y instead of its usual electric resistive heating system. The details of the Model Y’s heat pump are described in a recent video from Tesla enthusiast and YouTuber Andy Slye, who showed the advantages of the new system compared to the ones used in the Model 3, S, and X.
A heat pump is, in a way, an air conditioner that can work in reverse.” An A/C unit uses refrigerant to trap heat inside an area before moving it outside. A heat pump works in a similar fashion, but it is also equipped with a reversing valve that allows the unit to reverse the flow of the refrigerant, generating heat.
The heat pump does really not generate heat, with the system moving hot air into specific areas instead. Electricity is used by a compressor to send refrigerant around the system and capture the heat outside before bringing it inside. This is made possible by the refrigerant’s low boiling point. This allows heat pumps to be very efficient, generating 3 kW of thermal energy for every 1 kW of energy used.
Ultimately, this new system could help eliminate concerns about operating their electric vehicles in colder climates. After all, winter driving in an electric car usually results in decreased range. The Model Y, with its efficient heat pump, will likely still get close to its rated range even when temperatures drop. This should make the Model Y very attractive to mainstream buyers too, as it is an electric vehicle that can guarantee a lot of range per charge, regardless of outside temperatures.
Slye’s video about the new heat pump system is below.
There's so much changing in the EV market that the newer cheaper models have better features than the older more luxury models
The Y also has USB-C with Power Delivery in the back (at least 27 watts) and wireless charging builtin up front. The rear seats also recline a little, nice touch. My friend pre-ordered a Y not sure when it'll get made.
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03-17-2020, 12:27 PM
#207
AZ Community Team
I naively assumed all Tesla's had heatpumps and not resistive heaters. Heck I assumed most EV had them since all that was needed was a reversing valve.
03-17-2020, 10:03 PM
#208
It begs the question. Why didn’t Tesla implement it sooner in other models? It’s “Mind boggling” in Elon talk. 
03-18-2020, 06:49 AM
#209
Race Director
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03-18-2020, 09:19 AM
#210
Ex-OEM King
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03-19-2020, 07:18 AM
#211
Why the Y can’t tow.
Apparently the Model Y has reduced capacity to carry weight (passengers + cargo) as compared to Model 3 considering both have similar battery packs.
With the given capacity of 954 pounds, it mostly tops out at 5 adults weighing 190 pounds each leaving no spare weight for cargo (so forget about towing).
https://www.greencarreports.com/news...ther-surprises
With the given capacity of 954 pounds, it mostly tops out at 5 adults weighing 190 pounds each leaving no spare weight for cargo (so forget about towing).
https://www.greencarreports.com/news...ther-surprises
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03-19-2020, 09:39 AM
#212
Ex-OEM King
No towing? I'm out, that would be a must have for me.
03-19-2020, 10:33 AM
#213
I suspect the reason for delaying the seven seat option is probably to wait till their battery density and capacities are improved hopefully by next year. May be you can get towing at that time.
Current user manual states clearly that model Y is not equipped for towing.
Current user manual states clearly that model Y is not equipped for towing.
03-19-2020, 03:20 PM
#215
Ex-OEM King
Lame. Guess I continue to wait...
03-20-2020, 10:48 AM
#216
AZ Community Team
Tesla does do some very novel approach for their heating beyond the resistive elements.
Tesla uses the heat from the motor and electronics inside the cabin when heat is needed.
https://insideevs.com/news/328782/te...cabin-heating/
Bosch claims a heat pump on a EV can increase the winter urban range by ~25%.
A heat pump can generate 2-3kw of heat from 1kw of electric energy.
https://www.greencarreports.com/news...e-loss-for-evs
Oddly enough the 2013 Leaf was the first production EV to use a heat pump. And Leaf's are not reknown for being particularly hi-tech for a EV/
Last edited by Legend2TL; 03-20-2020 at 10:56 AM.
03-21-2020, 12:16 PM
#217
Senior Moderator
Heat pumps give out a decent amount of heat for consumption, about 1KW consumption gives 3KW of heat. Hopefully it helps with the cold range issues!
Also the reduced cargo carrying capacity of the Y is alarming, 5 adults at 190 each is odd; I could totally see 4 exec's with big bellies at 250lbs each in the tesla.
Also the reduced cargo carrying capacity of the Y is alarming, 5 adults at 190 each is odd; I could totally see 4 exec's with big bellies at 250lbs each in the tesla.
03-23-2020, 09:38 AM
#218
Sanest Florida Man
Yeah, I agree for a company with lots of high tech in their aproach I woulda thought the same.
Tesla does do some very novel approach for their heating beyond the resistive elements.
Tesla uses the heat from the motor and electronics inside the cabin when heat is needed.
https://insideevs.com/news/328782/te...cabin-heating/
Bosch claims a heat pump on a EV can increase the winter urban range by ~25%.
A heat pump can generate 2-3kw of heat from 1kw of electric energy.
https://www.greencarreports.com/news...e-loss-for-evs
Oddly enough the 2013 Leaf was the first production EV to use a heat pump. And Leaf's are not reknown for being particularly hi-tech for a EV/
Tesla does do some very novel approach for their heating beyond the resistive elements.
Tesla uses the heat from the motor and electronics inside the cabin when heat is needed.
https://insideevs.com/news/328782/te...cabin-heating/
Bosch claims a heat pump on a EV can increase the winter urban range by ~25%.
A heat pump can generate 2-3kw of heat from 1kw of electric energy.
https://www.greencarreports.com/news...e-loss-for-evs
Oddly enough the 2013 Leaf was the first production EV to use a heat pump. And Leaf's are not reknown for being particularly hi-tech for a EV/
03-23-2020, 09:39 AM
#219
Sanest Florida Man
What's the 0-60 times of the CRV?
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03-23-2020, 10:26 AM
#220
And it’s got better turning radius too.
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03-23-2020, 11:49 AM
#221
AZ Community Team
Saw some article that basically showed Leaf's are near worthless after a 4 year lease, the battery repalcement costs is equal to the residual value of the Leaf
Last edited by Legend2TL; 03-23-2020 at 11:52 AM.
03-23-2020, 12:31 PM
#222
Model Y is wide turning radius floating on 21 inch rims.
inflation adjusted gas prices are really cheap.
03-23-2020, 01:06 PM
#224
Ex-OEM King
What does this have to do with anything?
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03-23-2020, 01:21 PM
#225
Moderator
^ Clearly, the LC Prado/Lexus GX is much better off-road than the Model Y 
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03-23-2020, 01:24 PM
#226
Sanest Florida Man
So if you want the features of Y minus the crazy addictive acceleration you should get a CRV and a Land Cruiser. And that's cheaper how?
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03-23-2020, 02:45 PM
#227
Sanest Florida Man
03-23-2020, 03:55 PM
#228
Model Y by definition is $55K vehicle. so most probably high income household. so atleast dual vehicle.
Model Y is neither short for city driving and neither long for long drives. it is hanging like middle class.
see this flat floor with 60/40 split. everything with push of button. tall roof with tailer sway control for big tow package. and it also comes under GVWR of 6000 lbs. that self employed and business people can depreciate faster for business deductions.
03-23-2020, 06:28 PM
#229
Sanest Florida Man
Ok it seems the heat pump in the Y warms the cabin and the batteries. which would integrate with the system currently in the 3 in which the cooling for the cabin, batteries, motors and electronics is all integrated into one system, it seems this heat pump now allows that same system to heat the cabin and battery as well
03-24-2020, 06:31 AM
#230
The point is you cannot rely on single EV car in household.
Model Y by definition is $55K vehicle. so most probably high income household. so atleast dual vehicle.
Model Y is neither short for city driving and neither long for long drives. it is hanging like middle class.
see this flat floor with 60/40 split. everything with push of button. tall roof with tailer sway control for big tow package. and it also comes under GVWR of 6000 lbs. that self employed and business people can depreciate faster for business deductions.
Model Y by definition is $55K vehicle. so most probably high income household. so atleast dual vehicle.
Model Y is neither short for city driving and neither long for long drives. it is hanging like middle class.
see this flat floor with 60/40 split. everything with push of button. tall roof with tailer sway control for big tow package. and it also comes under GVWR of 6000 lbs. that self employed and business people can depreciate faster for business deductions.
Cost, cargo space, versatility?
Last edited by Comfy; 03-24-2020 at 06:42 AM.
03-24-2020, 07:24 AM
#231
Sanest Florida Man
Last edited by #1 STUNNA; 03-24-2020 at 07:27 AM.
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03-24-2020, 07:25 AM
#232
The point is you cannot rely on single EV car in household.
Model Y by definition is $55K vehicle. so most probably high income household. so atleast dual vehicle.
Model Y is neither short for city driving and neither long for long drives. it is hanging like middle class.
Model Y by definition is $55K vehicle. so most probably high income household. so atleast dual vehicle.
Model Y is neither short for city driving and neither long for long drives. it is hanging like middle class.
Do you mean I should be looking at a new CRV to trade in my RDX?
Common sense tells that this group of customers will be looking at anything in that same price range (unless their financial situation changes).
In fact until late last year I was eyeing an X3, before this EV fever rained upon all my secret plans.
You are right that most people who own EVs would be dual car household, well that’s because there are two working people in my house. Whether the range of Y is adequate or not is to be decided by the potential owners. It’s good enough for our regular commute as well as weekend trips to nearby cities (I mean within 1-3 hours- where I can go, do my business, one supercharge use if needed and come back). I’m not planning any extended cross country trip on an EV, not with small kids anyway.
03-24-2020, 09:35 AM
#233
Sanest Florida Man
So it seems the "overpriced talent" has figured out a way to make the Model Y heat pump more effective at colder temps, and maybe it even warms up faster. This heat pump may have all the benefits of a conventional heat pump with little to none of the negatives
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03-24-2020, 10:06 AM
#234
Ex-OEM King
The point is you cannot rely on single EV car in household.
Model Y by definition is $55K vehicle. so most probably high income household. so atleast dual vehicle.
Model Y is neither short for city driving and neither long for long drives. it is hanging like middle class.
see this flat floor with 60/40 split. everything with push of button. tall roof with tailer sway control for big tow package. and it also comes under GVWR of 6000 lbs. that self employed and business people can depreciate faster for business deductions.
Model Y by definition is $55K vehicle. so most probably high income household. so atleast dual vehicle.
Model Y is neither short for city driving and neither long for long drives. it is hanging like middle class.
see this flat floor with 60/40 split. everything with push of button. tall roof with tailer sway control for big tow package. and it also comes under GVWR of 6000 lbs. that self employed and business people can depreciate faster for business deductions.
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03-24-2020, 03:29 PM
#235
Can Minivan tow on scale of Lexus GX?. V8 linear acceleration enjoyment with sound.
it can tow Carvan. A lot of rich peoples have those carvans in SF bayarea. just in case there is earthquake or fire apocalypse or extra guests need to sleep there.
just effecitively dealing with curbs and pot holes remove all the stress from driving not to mention right turns. I am not even quantitfying ride height commanding position to see the road ahead to anticipate lane
maneuvring.
According to Alex on Auto. Lexus GX is the quietest vehicle he ever tested and that on cheaper OEM tires.
03-24-2020, 03:55 PM
#236
You are right about the highlighted aspect. So by your definition when a person who is looking to trade in his / her premium SUV (BMW/ MB/Volvo/ Lexus/Land Rover / Jaguar / Acura, etc) what SUV will they be considering?
Do you mean I should be looking at a new CRV to trade in my RDX?
Common sense tells that this group of customers will be looking at anything in that same price range (unless their financial situation changes).
In fact until late last year I was eyeing an X3, before this EV fever rained upon all my secret plans.
You are right that most people who own EVs would be dual car household, well that’s because there are two working people in my house. Whether the range of Y is adequate or not is to be decided by the potential owners. It’s good enough for our regular commute as well as weekend trips to nearby cities (I mean within 1-3 hours- where I can go, do my business, one supercharge use if needed and come back). I’m not planning any extended cross country trip on an EV, not with small kids anyway.
Do you mean I should be looking at a new CRV to trade in my RDX?
Common sense tells that this group of customers will be looking at anything in that same price range (unless their financial situation changes).
In fact until late last year I was eyeing an X3, before this EV fever rained upon all my secret plans.
You are right that most people who own EVs would be dual car household, well that’s because there are two working people in my house. Whether the range of Y is adequate or not is to be decided by the potential owners. It’s good enough for our regular commute as well as weekend trips to nearby cities (I mean within 1-3 hours- where I can go, do my business, one supercharge use if needed and come back). I’m not planning any extended cross country trip on an EV, not with small kids anyway.
it all depends on requirements. CRV is shorter in length than RDX but similar spacious. and hybrid is a lot more economical.
hands free tail gate.
03-24-2020, 03:57 PM
#237
Ex-OEM King
Minivan? Cost, Cargo, Space,
Can Minivan tow on scale of Lexus GX?. V8 linear acceleration enjoyment with sound.
it can tow Carvan. A lot of rich peoples have those carvans in SF bayarea. just in case there is earthquake or fire apocalypse or extra guests need to sleep there.
just effecitively dealing with curbs and pot holes remove all the stress from driving not to mention right turns. I am not even quantitfying ride height commanding position to see the road ahead to anticipate lane
maneuvring.
According to Alex on Auto. Lexus GX is the quietest vehicle he ever tested and that on cheaper OEM tires.
Can Minivan tow on scale of Lexus GX?. V8 linear acceleration enjoyment with sound.
it can tow Carvan. A lot of rich peoples have those carvans in SF bayarea. just in case there is earthquake or fire apocalypse or extra guests need to sleep there.
just effecitively dealing with curbs and pot holes remove all the stress from driving not to mention right turns. I am not even quantitfying ride height commanding position to see the road ahead to anticipate lane
maneuvring.
According to Alex on Auto. Lexus GX is the quietest vehicle he ever tested and that on cheaper OEM tires.
03-24-2020, 04:23 PM
#238
Minivan? Cost, Cargo, Space,
Can Minivan tow on scale of Lexus GX?. V8 linear acceleration enjoyment with sound.
it can tow Carvan. A lot of rich peoples have those carvans in SF bayarea. just in case there is earthquake or fire apocalypse or extra guests need to sleep there.
just effecitively dealing with curbs and pot holes remove all the stress from driving not to mention right turns. I am not even quantitfying ride height commanding position to see the road ahead to anticipate lane
maneuvring.
According to Alex on Auto. Lexus GX is the quietest vehicle he ever tested and that on cheaper OEM tires.
Can Minivan tow on scale of Lexus GX?. V8 linear acceleration enjoyment with sound.
it can tow Carvan. A lot of rich peoples have those carvans in SF bayarea. just in case there is earthquake or fire apocalypse or extra guests need to sleep there.
just effecitively dealing with curbs and pot holes remove all the stress from driving not to mention right turns. I am not even quantitfying ride height commanding position to see the road ahead to anticipate lane
maneuvring.
According to Alex on Auto. Lexus GX is the quietest vehicle he ever tested and that on cheaper OEM tires.
Stick to vehicles within the realm of Model Y in this thread. No one is going to cross shop a Y with GX or CRV.
03-24-2020, 11:41 PM
#240
Sanest Florida Man
It's like the Model Y is number two across the board at every spec you can think of, and 25 different SUVs get 1st place for each different spec. If you awarded points for your ranking for each spec than the Y wins hands down for total overall points. meanwhile ssftsx is pointing out how it lost in each of the specs and talking about a different SUV every time.
Also he flat out ignores all of the ways in which Tesla far exceeds the competition like free upgrades, 0-30, and 0-60 acceleration, Dog Mode, Sentry Mode, Camp Mode, Netflix YouTube, Hulu, games, etc. When does the definition of a luxury vehicle change and include those features? I'd rather have free updates and new cool features every month than a gaudy leather interior. Look at the Track Mode V2 update and how fun that is, what other car has that? What other 60K car can you manually adjust the power distribution, stability control, and brake regen in real-time while you're drifting around a corner? What other car gets more capable, over time?
When does the idea of the luxury vehicle change to require these continuous improvements?
He gives no credit to Tesla for the fact that they improve over time unlike every other car.
Once all the other legacy manufacturers finally figure that out in the next 5 years then he'll acknowledge it and require it but will never give Tesla credit for leading the way, being a decade ahead of the competition in that regard. Also all of the features I listed above have all come out since 2019, if you bought the car in 2018 you get all of those features. That is worth something, I think it's worth a lot, I think it's worth a more than a top of the line interior made out of dead animal skins But he fucking ignores it because he doesn't have a comeback for it, there's no counterargument so he just pretends it doesn't exist.
Also he flat out ignores all of the ways in which Tesla far exceeds the competition like free upgrades, 0-30, and 0-60 acceleration, Dog Mode, Sentry Mode, Camp Mode, Netflix YouTube, Hulu, games, etc. When does the definition of a luxury vehicle change and include those features? I'd rather have free updates and new cool features every month than a gaudy leather interior. Look at the Track Mode V2 update and how fun that is, what other car has that? What other 60K car can you manually adjust the power distribution, stability control, and brake regen in real-time while you're drifting around a corner? What other car gets more capable, over time?
When does the idea of the luxury vehicle change to require these continuous improvements?
He gives no credit to Tesla for the fact that they improve over time unlike every other car.
Once all the other legacy manufacturers finally figure that out in the next 5 years then he'll acknowledge it and require it but will never give Tesla credit for leading the way, being a decade ahead of the competition in that regard. Also all of the features I listed above have all come out since 2019, if you bought the car in 2018 you get all of those features. That is worth something, I think it's worth a lot, I think it's worth a more than a top of the line interior made out of dead animal skins But he fucking ignores it because he doesn't have a comeback for it, there's no counterargument so he just pretends it doesn't exist.
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