Lexus: IS News
03-06-2006, 12:23 PM
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The above CGI is from the latest R&T mag where they claim that an IS500 is probably in the works to go against he next M3. Probably sharing the V8 engine from the next Supra, maybe slightly detuned and with a price of between $50K-$60K.
03-06-2006, 12:40 PM
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Originally Posted by gavriil
The above CGI is from the latest R&T mag where they claim that an IS500 is probably in the works to go against he next M3. Probably sharing the V8 engine from the next Supra, maybe slightly detuned and with a price of between $50K-$60K.
03-06-2006, 01:11 PM
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I like the fact that Lexus is being aggressive and making an IS500, but the price is too much, and they should at least rebadge the car (ie. BMW M, or Mercedes AMG, or Audi S)
03-06-2006, 01:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Moog-Type-S
I like the fact that Lexus is being aggressive and making an IS500, but the price is too much, and they should at least rebadge the car (ie. BMW M, or Mercedes AMG, or Audi S)
03-06-2006, 02:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Maximized
That's exactly my thoughts. It would be worth the money if the car was "L-Tuned" with a performance suspension, larger brakes, and more agressive body work. Throw in some sport seats and a little interior freshening. You've got a M competitor.
, but L-Tuned is :ghey:
03-06-2006, 02:15 PM
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Originally Posted by titan
... and this is why we'll see a V8 powered G, also. Is this engine/trim only for the coupe? Or does the sedan get it also?
03-06-2006, 03:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Moog-Type-S
, but L-Tuned is :ghey:
03-06-2006, 04:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Maximized
How about a bright idea for these engineers, quit making these cars so heavy! You don't need all this hp if cars went on a diet. Plus handling and braking improves, as well as fuel economy.
03-06-2006, 05:41 PM
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looks sweet.. if they price it right around $50k, this could murdalize the M3.. past $50k and they might start losing customers.
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03-07-2006, 09:43 AM
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Originally Posted by Maximized
That's exactly my thoughts. It would be worth the money if the car was "L-Tuned" with a performance suspension, larger brakes, and more agressive body work. Throw in some sport seats and a little interior freshening. You've got a M competitor.
03-07-2006, 06:16 PM
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Originally Posted by SeCsTaC
What's the current IS's weight distribution?
Lexus says the weight distribution is 52/48 percent (front/rear) with rear-wheel drive and 54/46 with all-wheel drive.
03-08-2006, 02:33 AM
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Originally Posted by srika
looks sweet.. if they price it right around $50k, this could murdalize the M3.. past $50k and they might start losing customers.
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03-08-2006, 08:20 AM
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Originally Posted by 04EuroAccordTsx
I mean come on you're not agreeing that it's a ripoff? The base price of the coupe will still be higher than probably a well equiped G35 coupe, loaded M35, and a fully equiped Acura TL and almost the price of an RL. I drove the IS 250 and 350 at a Lexus event and the size of the car doesn't justify it's price. It performs well, but give me the GS300/430 instead. BMW to me is still BMW and the 330 is about the same in price of the IS. If the Lexus IS and the BMW 330 are the same price I would buy the BMW because it's a German car and no one can say oh it's just a luxury toyota, luxury honda, or luxury nissan, it's a BMW. Even Mercedes now, I mean it's still a Mercedes, but they're going to say it's a luxury Chrysler. All in all, it's still a luxury Toyota, with a bit of a lot of people agree on this board, the IS looks a little bit like a Scion Tc, from certain aspects.
the car is def. worth the money. you can tell just by the fit and finish, the quality of materials and the interior design. add to that the bad ass reliability... its unbeatable.
it's a shit load faster than most of the cars you are comapring it too. it CAN take a g35c, the TL has no chacne against
03-08-2006, 12:47 PM
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Originally Posted by 04EuroAccordTsx
Can it take an M3? I don't think so man....
03-08-2006, 01:36 PM
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What was it built to take on? G35? Well the next Gen G35 will kick its little butt and I know Acura has something in the works. Lexus to me isn't all that. It's a luxury Toyota ripoff to me.
03-08-2006, 02:11 PM
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Originally Posted by iNteGraz92
the is350 already "murdalizes" the 330, but it still doesn't handle as good.
03-08-2006, 03:24 PM
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Originally Posted by 04EuroAccordTsx
What was it built to take on? G35? Well the next Gen G35 will kick its little butt and I know Acura has something in the works. Lexus to me isn't all that. It's a luxury Toyota ripoff to me.
how about 330? and wat is it that u know about acura?
Lexus = luxury toyota, so wats ur point? and how is it a ripoff when they're the same company?
just like Acura = luxury honda
Infiniiti = luxury nissan
03-08-2006, 04:01 PM
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No kidding dude, I know acura=luxury honda and infiniti=luxury nissan, but i'm saying that a lot of people are boasting that Lexus beats BMW, Porsche, and Mercedes, that is a joke to me.
I don't see what all the hoopla is for the IS, it's just a luxury Toyota, and an expensive ripoff at that. I'd pick a BMW 330 over it anyday even if the IS350 is faster than it.
Lexus still isn't the same level as BMW yet
I don't see what all the hoopla is for the IS, it's just a luxury Toyota, and an expensive ripoff at that. I'd pick a BMW 330 over it anyday even if the IS350 is faster than it.
Lexus still isn't the same level as BMW yet
going guys.
03-08-2006, 05:53 PM
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Originally Posted by 04EuroAccordTsx
What was it built to take on? G35? Well the next Gen G35 will kick its little butt and I know Acura has something in the works.
The next G will be class leading, I think. 
03-09-2006, 08:29 AM
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Originally Posted by 04EuroAccordTsx
Lexus still isn't the same level as BMW yet
If Lexus builds a car that is as fast as it's BMW counter-part and offers twice the reliability, I'll take the Lex.
My Best friends 2004 BMW 325 convert with 20k miles has already been in the shop more than my 01 CL-S with almost 100k. Sure, his work covered under warranty, but what a pain in the ass for a 40K+ car. And what about the costs after warranty runs out?
What I want right now (along with a LOT of others) is a Japanese made lux coupe that ISN'T a G35...Not a whole lot of options out there right now and Lexus is FINALLY giving us all something that we want.
03-09-2006, 09:00 AM
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Originally Posted by bgsm1th
How so?
If Lexus builds a car that is as fast as it's BMW counter-part and offers twice the reliability, I'll take the Lex.
My Best friends 2004 BMW 325 convert with 20k miles has already been in the shop more than my 01 CL-S with almost 100k. Sure, his work covered under warranty, but what a pain in the ass for a 40K+ car. And what about the costs after warranty runs out?
What I want right now (along with a LOT of others) is a Japanese made lux coupe that ISN'T a G35...Not a whole lot of options out there right now and Lexus is FINALLY giving us all something that we want.
If Lexus builds a car that is as fast as it's BMW counter-part and offers twice the reliability, I'll take the Lex.
My Best friends 2004 BMW 325 convert with 20k miles has already been in the shop more than my 01 CL-S with almost 100k. Sure, his work covered under warranty, but what a pain in the ass for a 40K+ car. And what about the costs after warranty runs out?
What I want right now (along with a LOT of others) is a Japanese made lux coupe that ISN'T a G35...Not a whole lot of options out there right now and Lexus is FINALLY giving us all something that we want.
Using one car as a benchmark is pretty lame and really discredits any type of statement your trying to make. They have long term reliability and "problems per vehicle" reports to rank manufacturers in initial and long term quality.
An example:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4854302/
JDpowers publishes that report.
BMW has been slipping, but Acura has had more problems in initial quality than BMW. BMW really got hammered when the 7 series launched, but since then they have slightly recovered. Even in 2005 Acura and BMW are about equal...
http://www.jdpower.com/presspass/pr/images/2005089a.gif
And really I'd rather have a better balanced and designed BMW over and Acura with or without the issues. Acura doesn't spend nearly the same ammount of time BMW does engineering the dynamics of the vehicle.
And of course when your only selling 400 RL's a month it's easy to ensure they are built OK.
...
But I'm with you... I'd buy the Lexus over the BMW anyday... The only thing that has held me back is power and design with Lexus. With the new style and powerplants lexus is using they are starting to appeal to me.
03-09-2006, 02:01 PM
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Originally Posted by SiGGy
I can't even tell you how many times my 01 CLS has been in the shop... 30+ I'd guess... And I paid $34k for my CLS back in July of 2000 and I only have 60k miles on it.
Using one car as a benchmark is pretty lame and really discredits any type of statement your trying to make. They have long term reliability and "problems per vehicle" reports to rank manufacturers in initial and long term quality.
An example:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4854302/
JDpowers publishes that report.
BMW has been slipping, but Acura has had more problems in initial quality than BMW. BMW really got hammered when the 7 series launched, but since then they have slightly recovered. Even in 2005 Acura and BMW are about equal...
http://www.jdpower.com/presspass/pr/images/2005089a.gif
And really I'd rather have a better balanced and designed BMW over and Acura with or without the issues. Acura doesn't spend nearly the same ammount of time BMW does engineering the dynamics of the vehicle.
And of course when your only selling 400 RL's a month it's easy to ensure they are built OK.
...
But I'm with you... I'd buy the Lexus over the BMW anyday... The only thing that has held me back is power and design with Lexus. With the new style and powerplants lexus is using they are starting to appeal to me.
Using one car as a benchmark is pretty lame and really discredits any type of statement your trying to make. They have long term reliability and "problems per vehicle" reports to rank manufacturers in initial and long term quality.
An example:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4854302/
JDpowers publishes that report.
BMW has been slipping, but Acura has had more problems in initial quality than BMW. BMW really got hammered when the 7 series launched, but since then they have slightly recovered. Even in 2005 Acura and BMW are about equal...
http://www.jdpower.com/presspass/pr/images/2005089a.gif
And really I'd rather have a better balanced and designed BMW over and Acura with or without the issues. Acura doesn't spend nearly the same ammount of time BMW does engineering the dynamics of the vehicle.
And of course when your only selling 400 RL's a month it's easy to ensure they are built OK.
...
But I'm with you... I'd buy the Lexus over the BMW anyday... The only thing that has held me back is power and design with Lexus. With the new style and powerplants lexus is using they are starting to appeal to me.
While I admit my post was somewhat lame in that I was camparing one singular experience with another, I was simply trying to make that point that BMW is not head and shoulders above the rest in terms quality and reliability.
He stated that Lexus is not on the same level as BMW, I just wanted to know what he meant by that. If he is talking in terms of quality/reliability, I think BMW is far from the fore-runner in that category. Similarly speaking, if he is talking only in terms of speed and performance, the 3 series/M3 (While being very performance oriented automobiles) isn't exactly the apex either.
And if Lexus isn't on par with BMW in those areas yet, they will be with their next line of powerplants and a coupe would complete the line-up nicely.
03-09-2006, 02:54 PM
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All I meant with not at the same leve with BMW is the way the general buying public sees like in terms of prestige and class. I still think the average novice car buyer will look into buying a car symbol and BMW is still more well known as upper class than Lexus.
Of course Japanese reliabilty > German reliability
Of course Japanese reliabilty > German reliability
03-16-2006, 11:17 AM
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Lexus working on IS convertible, M3 fighter
We already know Lexus is working on a coupe version of its IS sports sedan, but the U.K.'s AutoExpress today reported that a hardtop-convetibe version is also in the works. The car will target the 2007 3-Series convertible and the Volvo C70, among others. The magazine also says Lexus is working on a 400 horsepower version of the IS coupe to target the BMW M3 and Audi RS4. It will reportedly be powered by a 4.0 liter V10 engine. It looks like the high-powered coupe segment will be very hot in the next year or two. We can't wait!
http://www.leftlanenews.com/2006/03/...le-m3-fighter/
http://www.leftlanenews.com/2006/03/...le-m3-fighter/
03-16-2006, 05:26 PM
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Originally Posted by MaximaPower
small v10 sounds sweeet....but only 400hp?
