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even tho i will never buy a full electric car, but this is pretty impressive.. If the lease program is good... (almost 100% guarenteed to be better than Tesla's shitty lease programs), i think they will steal a good chunk of market shares.
and now you can actually get some tangible discount off MSRP, instead of counting the "potential" fuel savings as part of the discounts
BMW i4 Specs Summary:
Fifth-generation BMW eDrive technology
Range of over 600 kilometers (373 miles)
0-62mph in 4.0 seconds
Top speed 'over 200 kph' (124 mph)
Will be built in Munich at a BMW factory
Prototypes of the next all-electric models from BMW i are jointly undergoing comprehensive vehicle tests at the winter test centre in Arjeplog – intensive development programme preparing for market launch in 2020 and 2021.
Munich, Germany- March 25, 2019... BMW i is preparing to launch the next generation of solely electrically powered models. Three of the brand’s electric models are currently going through a key phase of their series development process at the BMW Group’s winter test centre in Arjeplog, Sweden. Together with the BMW iX3 already due to go on sale next year, the BMW i4 and the BMW iNEXT, being brought to market in 2021, are also completing an intensive test programme. Within the framework of comprehensive vehicle testing, their drive and suspension components are being put to the test under extreme weather and road conditions. The testing area situated at the edge of the Arctic Circle provides the ideal requirements for this purpose. On the icy surfaces of frozen lakes, on snow and in the bitter cold, the electric motors, the high-voltage batteries and the power electronics of BMW eDrive technology as well as the suspension control systems are demonstrating their high level of performance and reliability.
The latest chapter of the BMW Group electrification strategy will be heralded by a Sports Activity Vehicle. Starting next year, the BMW iX3 will already feature the fifth generation of BMW eDrive technology for the first time. An exceptionally powerful electric motor and a high-voltage storage unit featuring state-of-the-art battery cell technology facilitate purely electric driving pleasure in a new dimension. With a range of over 400 kilometres* and the possibility to use DC charging stations with a capacity of 150 kW to charge its battery, the first allelectric SAV is ideally suitable for day-to-day use and long-distance travel. The BMW iX3 will be the first model produced for the entire global market by the BMW Brilliance Automotive Joint Venture at the Chinese production location in Shenyang.
The BMW i4 delivers locally emission-free driving pleasure combined with outstanding sportiness. The four-door coupe positioned in the premium midrange segment combines a dynamic design with inspiring performance and a high level of ride comfort. Fifth-generation BMW eDrive technology featured by the BMW i4 facilitates a range of over 600 kilometres*. Moreover, the electric motor’s spontaneous power development can be utilised above all to achieve a dynamic driving experience. The BMW i4 sprints from a standstill to 100 km/h in a mere 4 seconds and reaches a top speed of over 200 km/h. The BMW i4 will be produced at the BMW Munich plant starting 2021.
With the proportions and dimensions of a luxury Sports Activity Vehicle, a fifthgeneration electric drive unit and systems for highly automated driving, the BMW iNEXT embodies the future of driving pleasure in a particularly comprehensive way. As the BMW Group’s future modular construction system, it combines the latest innovations in the areas of design, automated driving, connectivity, electrification and services (D+ACES) defined by the NUMBER ONE > NEXT corporate strategy. BMW eDrive ensures a range exceeding 600 kilometres*.
Furthermore, the car is equipped with the latest connectivity features and designed for Level 3 automated driving. The BMW Group’s new technology flagship will be produced at the BMW Dingolfing plant as from 2021.
All figures relating to driving performance, consumption, emissions and range are provisional. The details marked * have already been calculated based on the new WLTP test cycle.
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A few months ago, BMW announced that starting with its 2019 Model Year cars, it will start charging a monthly fee to use the Apple CarPlay system. As of yesterday, BMW’s ConnectedDrive website is advertising fees of $80 for 12 months of Apple CarPlay service or a 240-month membership for $300.
Until now, BMW charged a one-time fee of $300 to add Apple CarPlay capability to navigation-equipped BMW models.
All new BMWs with 7.0 now come with a year’s free CarPlay subscription, but after the first 12 months owners will have to decide whether to allow the subscription to lapse, or pay to continue to access it
CarPlay is designed to offer a near-handsfree experience for drivers, with the car’s infotainment screen mirroring many aspects of an iPhone’s functionality – bringing apps such as Spotify and Google Maps into the car’s built-in screen, and making them accessible via voice commands
BMWs currently are not compatible with Android Auto, although the company did announce its plans to integrate Google Assistant and Amazon Alexa services into its vehicles.
I think it's a travesty they charge at all, fee or subscription. "Here's your new $75,000 vehicle but we want $80/year to provide you something that's standard on a Honda Civic".
Sure folks in that market may not care so much about that annual fee but it's the principle.
First I've heard of ACP being a subscription service
Saw an article saying the Supra would get the first year of ACP free as well.
This is shameful but if people will pay it then go right ahead. I'm surprised Toyota didn't just toss it all in for free.
Originally Posted by 1Louder
I think it's a travesty they charge at all, fee or subscription. "Here's your new $75,000 vehicle but we want $80/year to provide you something that's standard on a Honda Civic".
Sure folks in that market may not care so much about that annual fee but it's the principle.
Well a backup camera was optional on BMW's until it became mandatory last year or something like that. $500 for a backup camera that's standard on a Mitsubishi Mirage.
The subscription fee for ACP is ridiculous. I hate how greedy this company can be.
Originally Posted by oonowindoo
You know it is just a matter of time before other manuf. start charging for it now too....
Good thing i never used ACP or Android auto.
Mentioned above. The new Supra only gets ACP free for the first year.
Apart from it being somehow integrated into some vehicle-specific functions, I can't see any reason (apart from $$$) to charge a subscription for it.
Dont try to make logic out of BMW's decision. This is the company that will give you $2500 Navi for "free" but charge you $250 for backup camera in the previous 5 series.
BMW is a rare company in that it seems to have absolutely no interest in offering Apple CarPlay to potential owners as a way to entice them into dealerships. Automakers from the bargain-basement level all the way to the penthouse offer this smartphone-mirroring tech as standard, but BMW currently charges $300 to add it to the car, because reasons.
Yet, strangely enough, it was one of the first automakers to offer wireless CarPlay in the latest-generation 5 Series. It's confounding.
BMW told The Verge that its reasoning is simple, and by "simple" I mean "only loosely connected to reality." Basically, if you bought an iPhone and eventually wanted an Android, you'd have a useless (albeit entirely invisible) piece of tech in the car. Instead of having fronted $300 for CarPlay, you can instead spend $80 or $160 or whatever for however long you need the service. That appears to be BMW's entire line of logic behind this decision.
Mentioned above. The new Supra only gets ACP free for the first year.
Apart from it being somehow integrated into some vehicle-specific functions, I can't see any reason (apart from $$$) to charge a subscription for it.
It's only a subscription on the Supra because that car is a BMW with "Toyota" written in with sharpie. Guessing none of the other Toyotas that offer this feature do so with a subscription model.
It's only a subscription on the Supra because that car is a BMW with "Toyota" written in with sharpie. Guessing none of the other Toyotas that offer this feature do so with a subscription model.
My understanding of the Supra is the only thing that's Toyota is the skin and interior materials. Entertainment unit would be BMW, and that's probably configured to require activation codes via subscriptions.
It's bad enough subscription services are becoming more and more prevalent. I'd hate to see this catch on because before long we'll be in for $50/month just to keep up with services we now get for free.
The whole thing was puzzling to me with regard to Toyota's move here. If folks like the look that's fine, and based on the reviews seems to be a great car. I think if I wanted a Z4 I'd just buy the Z4. To each his/her own I suppose.
The whole thing was puzzling to me with regard to Toyota's move here. If folks like the look that's fine, and based on the reviews seems to be a great car. I think if I wanted a Z4 I'd just buy the Z4. To each his/her own I suppose.
I wouldn't, I want a hard top. Supra is a lot cheaper too, at least from an MSRP standpoint.
Originally Posted by oonowindoo
Z4 is actually gonna be cheaper at least for the first year..
Z4 has more power, better interior and no markup... Supra has less power, a markup for sure.
But i am not sold on neither of their looks.
The Supra is actually faster even though it's less powerful. Also, IMO, the exhaust sounds better though I'm sure it's still a BMW exhaust.
I saw a Supra in the wild the other day, first one I've seen, and I'm sold on the looks. It was pretty jaw dropping and actually smaller than I expected it to be. Definitely unique. Also, there are quite a few dealers advertising for below MSRP right now so if you're willing to travel you're good to go.
I wouldn't, I want a hard top. Supra is a lot cheaper too, at least from an MSRP standpoint.
The Supra is actually faster even though it's less powerful. Also, IMO, the exhaust sounds better though I'm sure it's still a BMW exhaust.
I saw a Supra in the wild the other day, first one I've seen, and I'm sold on the looks. It was pretty jaw dropping and actually smaller than I expected it to be. Definitely unique. Also, there are quite a few dealers advertising for below MSRP right now so if you're willing to travel you're good to go.
I also saw a Z4 and was immediately underwhelmed.
No it is not. It is faster than the EU version. Not the US version.
Z4 is a Z4.... a car that no one cared before and no one cares about it now.
Just for educational purposes...Outside of BMW world, not a lot of people know the difference.
Yeah, I get that but even straight off the line, the Supra is faster. It gets ahead and stays ahead even though the torque and hp is the same. I guess we need to wait for someone to do the race in the US market.
Yah Supra should be faster than the EU Z4 when all things considered.. given it is lighter and it is a coupe with the exact same engine...
I am surprised no one had done the video yet since both cars have been out for a while now...
Not even the magazines and reviewers..... there must be some stuff going on behind the scenes.
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Yah Supra should be faster than the EU Z4 when all things considered.. given it is lighter and it is a coupe with the exact same engine...
I am surprised no one had done the video yet since both cars have been out for a while now...
Not even the magazines and reviewers..... there must be some stuff going on behind the scenes.
It's not really due to heat or cold, it just drizzles a lot here. It doesn't rain like it does in other parts of the country where it rains and stops. It can be a rather constant light rain with no real consistency being able to predict when or where. There are a few of course, but top-down driving weather is very spotty at best outside Jul/Aug/Sept. Even having said that, it rained a lot in July here. Just now getting consistent sun.
It's not really due to heat or cold, it just drizzles a lot here. It doesn't rain like it does in other parts of the country where it rains and stops. It can be a rather constant light rain with no real consistency being able to predict when or where. There are a few of course, but top-down driving weather is very spotty at best outside Jul/Aug/Sept. Even having said that, it rained a lot in July here. Just now getting consistent sun.
I remember an S2000 owner that drove with the top down every single day, rain, shine, or snow, the mad lad. He lived in Illinois I think and made a video of him driving with snow falling everywhere and in a big parka even, top down.
Haha, 1 year, i was going up to Big Bear for New year eve. I had snow chain on the Civic going up the mountain.. and a black AP2 was driving down with NO Chain and top down in the snow...
i wanted to give him a thumb up, but he was too fast.. #thuglife
Yah Supra should be faster than the EU Z4 when all things considered.. given it is lighter and it is a coupe with the exact same engine...
I am surprised no one had done the video yet since both cars have been out for a while now...
Not even the magazines and reviewers..... there must be some stuff going on behind the scenes.
02-14-2019, 12:54 PM
even tho i will never buy a full electric car, but this is pretty impressive.. If the lease program is good... (almost 100% guarenteed to be better than Tesla's shitty lease programs), i think they will steal a good chunk of market shares.
