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Old 01-05-2022 | 02:55 PM
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BMW solving a non-existing problem but then again many auto makers do that
The ambient lighting package in the 2021 X3 is exactly what pushed my wife over the edge and made her stop looking at all other vehicles. I think BMW knows a secret about lighting and sales. I can't defend it, only explain it (barely.... ).
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Good thing she didnt look at GLC then... cuz Mercedes's lighting is actually better. If she like clubbing and neon lights

I had to change mine to orange, cuz it does get too much at night.

My GF was asking why am i trying to make my interior looking like that ugly BMW orange again now i have plenty of other color options. She likes purple
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Orange or a shade of red for me.
Maybe a light blue. The rest I could do without.
Old 01-06-2022 | 09:23 AM
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Or go the Tesla way with no ambient lighting at all.
Old 01-06-2022 | 12:45 PM
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You dont need ambient lighting for Tesla, that big ass computer monitor is bright enough.


I suspect many Tesla owners have Elon's face as their wallpaper... Comfy probably has one on his wall since he doesn't have a Tesla.
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When I brought home my new BMW exactly a year ago, the kids didn't care about anything except the ambient light inside the car.

This paint change feature could be a game changer. How many times have you looked around dealerships when buying a car because it just doesn't have the right color combo? Now dealerships can just stock models regardless of color.

Of course I'll probably be totally underwhelmed with the unveil.
Old 01-06-2022 | 01:08 PM
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You dont need ambient lighting for Tesla, that big ass computer monitor is bright enough.


I suspect many Tesla owners have Elon's face as their wallpaper... Comfy probably has one on his wall since he doesn't have a Tesla.
On his wall, on his pillow, on his ceiling...Elon is always watching.
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Old 01-06-2022 | 02:14 PM
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https://carbuzz.com/news/bmws-crazy-...ke-look-normal


There has been no shortage of strange steering wheel designs, and that's just in the last year alone. Before that, there have been many strange steering wheels since the car was invented, but the recent prospect of autonomous driving has prompted a number of manufacturers to reinvent something that already has a perfect design. We've seen Tesla bring the yoke to market, but General Motors has something even stranger while Hyundai simply added a screen to its latest invention. BMW's latest take on the steering wheel is just as controversial, once again begging the question of why something that is literally ideal in its current form needs any fresh takes on its design.

One benefit that is immediately apparent from the below patent drawings uncovered by CarBuzz is that of space. In a world where autonomous driving is part of your daily life, the cabin becomes something of a lounge, and the more spacious this is, the better.

This unusual new design, which is described as a 'steering handle', features a pair of "angled gripping elements," or smaller handles to you and me. They are positioned on a yoke of sorts, and the principle of the conventional wheel remains the same: lift your left hand to turn right and do the opposite to turn left. The smaller grips rotate to remain vertically positioned at all times, with the main horizontal spoke rotating about a center axis, meaning that this is similar in principle to the action of a normal steering wheel. But if the way you operate it hasn't changed, is there really any benefit to this design in daily driving?

Simply put, there is none. In fact, the patent filings made with the United States Patent and Trademark Office simply mention that "further installation space can be gained by way of a steering handle" instead of a steering wheel. Naturally, this type of steering device would take some getting used to, but it would surely be weighted in a way that discourages over-rotation.

It's just one recent way that BMW has attempted to solve the issue of interior space, having already filed an application to protect the design of a folding steering wheel. If the BMW i Vision Circular Concept ever makes it to production, it'll surely have a weird wheel, but in the meantime, we're happy with the one we get in everyday products like the 3 Series.

Curiously, this publication of the patent in the US isn't the first time it's appeared. It has previously been filed in both China and Germany, as well as the global trademark office, suggesting a strong intent to protect the design. Similar concepts have also been used previously, with the Ford Wrist Twist from 1965 being most similar. That never reached production.
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They file it just so no one else could file it... it does not mean they will make it into production. They are not as crazy as Tesla.. or Elon Musk i should say.

BMW owners will chew them up unlike Tesla owners (and some non-owners) are actually trying to convince us the Yoke was a good idea.
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Originally Posted by 1Louder
The ambient lighting package in the 2021 X3 is exactly what pushed my wife over the edge and made her stop looking at all other vehicles. I think BMW knows a secret about lighting and sales. I can't defend it, only explain it (barely.... ).
No reason to explain, back in college (early 80's) I concealed small red miniature light bulbs in of my Audi so it looked cool at night to have subdued red light shining in the lower dash, footwells and center stackup. At the time no one thought anything of it except for a friend (who did the same to his car). Now-a-days its so common, one of the rare times I was ahead of the curve.
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Old 01-11-2022 | 04:09 PM
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They file it just so no one else could file it... it does not mean they will make it into production. They are not as crazy as Tesla.. or Elon Musk i should say.

BMW owners will chew them up unlike Tesla owners (and some non-owners) are actually trying to convince us the Yoke was a good idea.
BMW forums' reactions
I am sure they are very different than the praising the Lord Elon for inventing Yoke cult shit from Tesla fanboys.

https://g80.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh....php?t=1889734
Old 01-11-2022 | 04:27 PM
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No reason to explain, back in college (early 80's) I concealed small red miniature light bulbs in of my Audi so it looked cool at night to have subdued red light shining in the lower dash, footwells and center stackup. At the time no one thought anything of it except for a friend (who did the same to his car). Now-a-days its so common, one of the rare times I was ahead of the curve.
One of the first "mods" (if one can call it that) in my 2006 Acura TSX was to swap all the interior lights with blue LEDs. It was very cool indeed - except if you had to read something in color at night (like say a printed map) because the blue washed out a few key colors and it became unreadable. But yeah totally get the red in the Audi - that would be cool.
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Old 01-11-2022 | 05:00 PM
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Originally Posted by 1Louder
One of the first "mods" (if one can call it that) in my 2006 Acura TSX was to swap all the interior lights with blue LEDs. It was very cool indeed - except if you had to read something in color at night (like say a printed map) because the blue washed out a few key colors and it became unreadable. But yeah totally get the red in the Audi - that would be cool.
Try that with headlight and that was what we did in early 2000s...

Looks good but can't see at night.
Old 01-12-2022 | 09:11 AM
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Try that with headlight and that was what we did in early 2000s...

Looks good but can't see at night.
I remember the time when people thought color temperature was related to headlight brightness and were running around with dim AF purple headlights.
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I remember the time when people thought color temperature was related to headlight brightness and were running around with dim AF purple headlights.
Yup. 10k , 12K HID... good ole days...

especially on newly paved road that is black.... you might as well drive with parking light, cuz it is the same
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If you dont want any EV in the next 20 years, you'll still have BMW.

BMW development board member Weber promises completely new combustion engines

The signals in terms of electrification are becoming clearer, the end dates for the construction of cars with combustion engines more concrete: Rapid conversion to all-electric is the motto of several manufacturers, for whom the complete turnaround just can't happen fast enough. Fears of government bans on internal combustion engines are spreading. Frank Weber, BMW's board member responsible for development, thinks nothing of this. Before setting an end date, such as the 2035 proposed by the EU, the alternative infrastructure must be in place.

Mr. Weber, the 7 Series is due to be replaced this year. How will it differentiate itself from the Mercedes S-Class?

I'm very sure we'll succeed in doing that convincingly. For example, the 7 Series will be the only car in its segment where buyers can choose between a combustion engine and all-electric. The all-electric BMW i7 is fantastic to drive, for the self-driver, but especially when being driven. I would even go so far as to say that with the i7 we will launch the first fully electric luxury sedan.

So you're not planning a standalone electric sedan?

No, because we are convinced that this is the only way we can offer a standard level of space without having to make too many compromises here due to aerodynamics. Our efficient drive technology will nevertheless enable the best possible fuel consumption figures and ranges.

What's happening with the combustion engines?

One thing is certain for us: We will need the state-of-the-art internal combustion engine for a few more years to effectively reduce CO2 emissions in the passenger car sector globally. That's why we're working on a new generation of engines: gasoline, diesel, six-cylinder, eight-cylinder. These will then also be technologically equipped for the coming emissions standards. In the six-cylinder engine alone, we are reducing CO2 emissions more massively than ever before in a new generation. We are helped in this by the fact that legislation in this area is beginning to converge worldwide. To reconcile emissions requirements on the one hand and performance demands on the other, we looked at the entire charge change and found a promising approach there. This technology then runs through all engine families and is supplemented by a high-performance e-drive disc.

So, new from the ground up - or rather a major overhaul?

Nothing is really the same as it was before. There's something completely new in the cylinder head. And with it, we're going to up the ante in terms of efficiency. Because regardless of whether it's a combustion engine or an electric vehicle, reducing CO2 emissions across the board is crucial in the fight against climate change. Equally decisive is what the customer wants. And we have to meet their wishes and requirements accordingly.

So the new 7 Series can do both electric and internal combustion. The iX has an independent architecture. The i4, on the other hand, is based on an internal combustion engine architecture, and front-wheel drive models such as the X1 will also be able to run purely on electricity in the future. In 2025, the so-called New Class will arrive, electric only. Why all this confusion?

Oh, it's not really that complicated. We once sketched a picture with three waves. The first wave was formed by the i3 and i8. They were early, the volume was low, there was no platform thinking. Now we are in wave two, where flexibility is immensely important. No matter what we do, the components have to be usable everywhere. On the drive side, on the storage side and on the vehicle electrical system side, for example, iX and i4 are the same. This then extends through 7s and 5s to the X1. This means that we have an identical technology basis in drive-flexible architectures for electric drives.

How does the iX fit in? Why not an electric SUV?

Look, the X5 development began around 2014. At that time, the risk of having to make too many compromises with the conventional X5 and thus possibly alienating the large core clientele was too great. At the same time, we decided to achieve the maximum possible with the iX and to position it in a deliberately different way alongside the conventional product. And with the New Class, at the latest, we will enter an era that is no longer about BMW on the one hand and BMW i on the other, but only about BMW. From then on, the brand will basically be electric.

Do you really believe that, globally speaking, the automotive world will change to such an extent from 2025 onwards that the drive-flexible architectures can be phased out?

It's a fair question, because if you compare an i4 and an iX today, you'll come to the conclusion that both are excellent products regardless of their architecture. It is also clear, by the way, that vehicles based on a BEV-only architecture will not be fundamentally different. It's just that we now have to consider going into the very big volume with upcoming e-vehicle generations. For us, that means the 3-series and the X3 for example.

So the next three-wheeler will be all-electric?

I didn't say that. It's still too early for that.

So will there be a completely new, all-electric 3 Series, and the current one with the combustion engines will remain on offer?

Well, the current 3-series isn't a bad car, is it? Even in 2025, there will still be many people who can't drive an electric car because they don't have the necessary infrastructure. This will develop at very different rates in the individual markets. But - and this is very important to me - we will not force our customers to choose between the new and the supposedly old. Our aim is always to offer the most sustainable and innovative vehicles, regardless of the type of drive.

How do you bring the two worlds together?

I don't want to tell you that just yet. Okay, maybe this much: What we are bringing to the New Class with the e-drive modular system is fundamentally different from what we know today. But that also applies to all the other modules - such as the digital module with its onboard network, operating concept and automated driving functions, or the chassis and interior modules. Here, we will take a big step forward everywhere. And all these kits are cross-architectural and can be adapted for all future vehicle concepts, regardless of the powertrain. And by the way, what the e-machines will be capable of may mean that you'll have to imagine the next M3 quite differently, too.

Compared to an i4, how big will the leap in efficiency and cost be?

We can already look to the end of the decade and see that the leaps in efficiency and cost that will be possible far surpass those that we know from internal combustion engines. Even with an electric motor, which is known for its high efficiency, a lot is still possible. What happens at higher speeds? How does the motor degrade? What is the most attractive design? There really is still a lot of potential here. We develop and build the motors ourselves, which helps us, of course. Power electronics are also an issue, because they shrink by 50 percent every three to four years for the same performance. In the case of the cell, the aim is to reduce costs by 30 percent in the next generation. That's why our goal is to achieve a comparable return on investment with the next generation of BEVs as with a combustion engine.

So the New Class no longer needs government subsidies?

In our planning, we don't assume that. We're talking about really high volume, the "new normal," so to speak. Efficiency is at the heart of everything we do. Thermal systems, structures, high-voltage and low-voltage systems - all of this has a value comparable to that of the weight of a vehicle. There really is a lot more that can be done. We don't just call the New Class that because it was time again. It represents how the brand is addressing the issue of BEVs, how that affects the design, which platform and components are required, and how digital performance is developing, because that's where the pace of development is particularly rapid. Not to forget: sustainability. This is not trivial for a BEV. If the cycle cannot be closed, there will be no BEV industry.

Back to digital performance: Since the E65 Seven Series, i.e. the first iDrive system, BMW has established a leading role in this field. However, the iX that we tested was notable for a number of bugs. Is that also "new normal," simply because the subject is so complex?

Absolutely not. The cars that come to the customers run without errors. The initial launch of a new generation of wiring systems is challenging. When we introduced the over-the-air upgrade in 2018, it already became more complex than before. Before, you had a hardware and a software status, and then that was merged. In the meantime, especially from the area of assistance systems, functions are coming into the car that require an enormous depth of protection. With our BMW Operating System 8, we have a modular operating system that allows us to update every single line of code in the vehicle over the air. This allows us to perfectly maintain vehicles in customer hands digitally. We have the largest upgradeable fleet in the world, with 2.5 million vehicles, across 30 models and all drive types. In the last three years, we have carried out 35 upgrades, providing functions such as the Parking Maneuver Assistant, eDrive Zones and BMW Maps.

But if all the building blocks are so important, rather than the architecture itself, what is really new about the New Class?

It is the universal architecture concept for all BMWs, from the 1 Series to the X7. As a result, easy-to-structure modular systems are created, from the entry-level engine to an M product. The way the battery gets in there will also be completely new. That's really only possible with BEV-only. Then we're paying a lot of attention to the display and operating concepts. There has never been so much change in a BMW in one fell swoop.

And until everyone wants to drive an electric car, you still have to increase the range of your plug-in hybrids?

We are already registering exceptionally high customer satisfaction with the X5 PHEV in particular. A PHEV that can drive 80 to 100 km on pure electric power will also be the vehicle that most customers will drive on pure electric power most of the time. This plays a really important role in the transition, because the problem of too few charging stations cannot be solved overnight. That's why we are so vehemently opposed to naming a date for the phase-out of internal combustion engines. Instead, the question should be: When will the infrastructure be in place? Of course, the future is electric, but if we force customers into an electric car now and they are all stuck in traffic jams at the charging station on the way to their vacation, then nothing will be gained. And no one can want that. This transition will not be over in five or ten years.

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Old 01-14-2022 | 05:33 PM
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They really don’t want to spook their potential ICE customers. Everyone knows that ICE has no future and those who buy them now onwards will be burning money.
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They really don’t want to spook their potential ICE customers. Everyone knows that ICE has no future and those who buy them now onwards will be burning money.
#1 who is everyone?
#2 EV or ICE are cars to get you from point A to B, So buying EV is not burning money because you will get some kind of ROI?
#3 where is robotaxi? How about a Cybertruck as robotaxi? When will i see that?

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Old 01-14-2022 | 06:08 PM
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Old 01-18-2022 | 09:36 AM
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Originally Posted by 1Louder
One of the first "mods" (if one can call it that) in my 2006 Acura TSX was to swap all the interior lights with blue LEDs. It was very cool indeed - except if you had to read something in color at night (like say a printed map) because the blue washed out a few key colors and it became unreadable. But yeah totally get the red in the Audi - that would be cool.
+1, yeah the blue overhead lights in the 3G TL are cool for lighting but yeah worthless for reading something.

My inspiration for the red interior backlighting in my Audi came from the early BMW's I wanted in college E23 (1G 7 series) and E28 (2G 5 series) with their cool red lighting interiors.
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Old 01-18-2022 | 09:57 AM
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They really don’t want to spook their potential ICE customers. Everyone knows that ICE has no future and those who buy them now onwards will be burning money.
People who buy ICE cars have always been burning money, that's how gas works.

If I remember correctly, you yourself are an ICE customer and user right? No EV in your garage? Damn, must suck to be a sucker.

I plan on buying another ICE car before another EV...depending on how fast RJ can build my damn truck.
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Originally Posted by SamDoe1
People who buy ICE cars have always been burning money, that's how gas works.

If I remember correctly, you yourself are an ICE customer and user right? No EV in your garage? Damn, must suck to be a sucker.

I plan on buying another ICE car before another EV...depending on how fast RJ can build my damn truck.
In fact they’ll be burning more money than people do for gas when their used car value crashes well before the 10 year mark. Mine is nearly 8 years old and within a couple years I’ve got my money’s worth out of it. Even if it’s used market value is $0, it doesn’t bother me anymore.
BTW, Do you get a high from taunting others. That’s getting borderline. .
and my CYBERTRUCK factory is getting completed as well. .

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Old 01-18-2022 | 02:44 PM
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In fact they’ll be burning more money than people do for gas when their used car value crashes well before the 10 year mark. Mine is nearly 8 years old and within a couple years I’ve got my money’s worth out of it. Even if it’s used market value is $0, it doesn’t bother me anymore.
BTW, Do you get a high from taunting others. That’s getting borderline. .
and my CYBERTRUCK factory is getting completed as well. .
You and SSFTSX are really alike. Since when do BMW owners ever care about resale value?

Life is too short, i buy what i want, not what i need.

But i agree with this tho.. i dont give a shit.

Even if it’s used market value is $0, it doesn’t bother me anymore.
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This is pretty cool.. that E39 M5 tho... and they dont have any E46 M3? i m shocked.

This weekend gone BMW Park Lane gave us the keys to their showroom so we could display our cars in their prestigious showroom. For those outside of the UK BMW Park Lane is situated in Mayfair, London which is one of the most expensive areas in the city. You'll also know this if you have ever played UK based Monopoly! For those in the USA it is this dealership equivalent of BMW NYC in Manhattan.

We believe this takeover is the first of its kind and we were extremely humbled to have this opportunity. I used to go past this dealership as a kid and one day wishing I could buy a BMW from there. This weekend we filled every car space in the dealership with our project/collection cars.

A video is incoming but here are some pictures for now.

















































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I think the front end almost looks acceptable now.... but that rear wing tho
































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Originally Posted by Comfy
In fact they’ll be burning more money than people do for gas when their used car value crashes well before the 10 year mark. Mine is nearly 8 years old and within a couple years I’ve got my money’s worth out of it. Even if it’s used market value is $0, it doesn’t bother me anymore.
BTW, Do you get a high from taunting others. That’s getting borderline. .
and my CYBERTRUCK factory is getting completed as well. .
I'm not taunting, I took your advice and bought an EV so my gas car's value didn't tank.

Why not take your own advice?
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^ Slightly better, but still ugly.
^^ E39 i3
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That doesn't really make the grille any better. It just makes a bunch of slats into a hole.

That F30 M3 looks BOSS though, I love that color.
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i think the stock is the worst. Any changes is a small improvement over stock...

If i could have the F8X M3 front + the G80 M3 Rear = perfect exterior

The F8X M3's rear is too weak.

Cops could spot you probably from 2 miles away with that color

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Old 01-18-2022 | 05:31 PM
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I personally love the more subtle styling as it's not trying too hard. That said, neon green is most certainly trying too hard lol.
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I like understated front and bang! with crazy rear...

we are still talking about cars right?
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I'm more of a fan of understated both sides.

What cars?
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I'm getting used to the front end. I love that blue-gray color. What is that?
Old 01-19-2022 | 12:32 PM
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I'm more of a fan of understated both sides.

What cars?

Then you really should date some in your next life time.
Old 01-19-2022 | 12:34 PM
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Originally Posted by RPhilMan1
I'm getting used to the front end. I love that blue-gray color. What is that?

It could be Brooklyn gray metallic, but BMW does offer individual colors and those pix are PSed, So who knows what color it really is.

On a 2nd thought, it could be Skyscraper Gray Metallic...
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Old 01-19-2022 | 12:49 PM
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Originally Posted by 00TL-P3.2
^ Slightly better, but still ugly.
^^ E39 i3
Lol I was actually going to comment they managed to make an i3 look....not horrible.
Old 01-19-2022 | 12:53 PM
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Considering how some of the current BMWs look, i dont think i3 looks horrible to begin with.

I only wish BMW could be more wild on their interior design instead of exterior design...

The only issue i have with i3 is its bicycle tires.

Old 01-19-2022 | 12:58 PM
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I every time I see one with how narrow the tires are.
Old 01-19-2022 | 01:06 PM
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Originally Posted by RPhilMan1
I'm getting used to the front end. I love that blue-gray color. What is that?
Skyscraper Gray. Looks cool but, for me, the only color to have a G80 in is the IOM Green.

Originally Posted by oonowindoo
Then you really should date some in your next life time.
Pass, not my jam.
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