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Old 05-12-2016, 05:05 PM
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Has absolutely nothing to do with Acura, Mitsubishi, Subaru or whatever other brands that also offer AWD. They probably dont even know who Acura is.
Are we sure you're not a bot? Will be sure to use red text next time just to be clear. Of course M cars cannot compete with 4G 6MT, cannot compete with the power plenum.
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With Acura hatters, red text is obviously not necessary.

With you, red text probably is preferred.
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M2,3 4 will remain RWD and I am sure you know this
Is this a fact? M3 with AWD would be sweet.
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It would totally take away the experience of driving a proper rear drive, high output engine car. Drifting through corners in an M3 recently (passenger) at Watkins Glen I can tell you unequivocally, that was a god damn riot.

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Is this a fact? M3 with AWD would be sweet.
fact? No. Unless it is an official release, then nothing is fact.

Somewhere in this thread, there is an article from BMW M Division Chief stating that M5 will be AWD soon but they are keep the M3 and M4 RWD because the power sliding fun is just too much to ignore (paraphrasing).

Now there is also rumor that confirmed by no one that the next m3/4 will be a plug in hybrid AWD....

You can decide for yourself which one is more realistic based on their targeted groups.
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BMW M hasn't been able to decide whether it wants to jump on the all-wheel-drive bandwagon or not (with the exceptions of the X5 M and the X6 M, which are based on AWD architecture). That might be changing though, since M's president Friedrich Nitschke recently realized that 70 to 80 percent of Mercedes-Benz E63 AMGs are ordered with all-wheel drive. Earlier this year, Nitschke said that there were no new AWD M models planned, so this comes as somewhat of a surprise.

"On our cars we are thinking of all-wheel drive, but it won't come before we get the successor of the M5 and M6," Nitschke said in a Motoring report. "That's the timing and it's not practical to react in the current life cycles."

"On our cars we are thinking of all-wheel drive." – Friedrich Nitschke, BMW
Nitschke says that obtaining a faster 0-60 miles-per-hour time isn't why BMW M is considering AWD option for the M5 and M6. But one has to wonder if that's part of the division's reasoning when the Audi RS6 Avant and RS7, the Porsche Panamera Turbo and the top Mercedes E63 AMG all perform the sprint in under 4.0 seconds with AWD, when the fastest M5 can only do it in 4.2 seconds.

The M division traditionally has been shaped by rear-wheel drive sports cars and sedans with powerful, naturally aspirated engines of bespoke designs that didn't make their way into regular production BMWs. In recent years, however, M has been straying from its roots, replacing the M5's Formula One-derived V10 with a more pedestrian (but more powerful) twin-turbo V8, coming out with the aforementioned AWD M sports utility vehicle and crossover and equipping the upcoming M3 sedan and M4 coupe with a twin-turbocharged straight six to replace the current naturally aspirated V8.

Before the current generation M5 was released in late 2011, BMW had reportedly been toying with plans to make an AWD version, but this latest report confirms that BMW will wait until the next generation comes out.

For the M purists out there, Nitschke reportedly assures you that the M3 and M4 will "never" come with AWD, because, he says, "To accelerate out of corners with this rear-end architecture concept is so fantastic that it [all-wheel drive] is not needed." Instead of taking his word on that, we'll just wait another four to six months and see if the story has changed.
BMW rethinks all-wheel-drive M cars - Autoblog
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Report: Next BMW M3 To Be Plug-In Hybrid With Possible All Wheel Drive


The plan — which has not been announced or confirmed by BMW yet — calls for the new M3 to have one or two electric motors up front helping to boost the power output of the current 3.0-liter inline six engine lineup by a reported 73 pound feet of torque, with the gasoline fueled power all going to the rear wheels.
Now if the rumor is true, it is still RWD in reality. The moment the battery juice runs out (up to 20 miles), it will become a permanent RWD M3 again.
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Originally Posted by oonowindoo
fact? No. Unless it is an official release, then nothing is fact.

Somewhere in this thread, there is an article from BMW M Division Chief stating that M5 will be AWD soon but they are keep the M3 and M4 RWD because the power sliding fun is just too much to ignore (paraphrasing).

Now there is also rumor that confirmed by no one that the next m3/4 will be a plug in hybrid AWD....

You can decide for yourself which one is more realistic based on their targeted groups.
I could definitely picture BMW going AWD with the M5. They've already taken the second best driver's car and turned it in to an old man's boulevard cruiser.
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yah even tho it is not official. IMO it is almost guaranteed that M5 will be AWD soon. I will be surprised if they kept it RWD only in the next Gen. But i just hope they will keep RWD only option available as they do with most of their cars.

M3/4 - IMO no matter what, RWD only will be one of the options.

BMW, Audi and Mercedes are become more of the same every year. Soon i will have no reason to pick BMW over any of those 2 anymore if this trend continues.
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Sure you will have at least one reason: as long as MBZ keeps putting iPad looking infotainment slabs in the middle of the dash, they'll be sure I don't buy one.
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0-60 is one of the worst car performance metrics. Gearing and traction play too big of a role. At least compare it with the 1/4 mile time and trap speed as well, and/or a 5-60 with rollout.
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Originally Posted by Costco
0-60 is one of the worst car performance metrics. Gearing and traction play too big of a role. At least compare it with the 1/4 mile time and trap speed as well, and/or a 5-60 with rollout.
yah i am sure BMW knows this as well.

But this is not about the actual performance anymore.
It is more about whose Dik is bigger between the big 3.
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Originally Posted by oonowindoo
Somewhere in this thread, there is an article from BMW M Division Chief stating that M5 will be AWD soon but they are keep the M3 and M4 RWD because the power sliding fun is just too much to ignore (paraphrasing).
What percentage of M drivers really track their cars consistently? Very low percentage I would wager. And how many peeps power slide on their daily commutes?


Now there is also rumor that confirmed by no one that the next m3/4 will be a plug in hybrid AWD....
Hope it stays a rumor, latest roundels have been overweight porkers and they don't need to get even more porky.


You can decide for yourself which one is more realistic based on their targeted groups.
I'd be satisfied with a M3, with conventional AWD and a 6MT, ideal size to fit my tight garage space at work.
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Originally Posted by Fibonacci
What percentage of M drivers really track their cars consistently? Very low percentage I would wager. And how many peeps power slide on their daily commutes?




Hope it stays a rumor, latest roundels have been overweight porkers and they don't need to get even more porky.




I'd be satisfied with a M3, with conventional AWD and a 6MT, ideal size to fit my tight garage space at work.
Small but still more than Honda/Acura

But that is not the point. It is all about marketing and offer people what they want to hear.

How many % of the Porsche actually go to the track?
How many people actually does 0-60s in their cars?

all part of "make you feel good" package.
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Originally Posted by Fibonacci
What percentage of M drivers really track their cars consistently? Very low percentage I would wager. And how many peeps power slide on their daily commutes?
You don't need to track the car or powerslide it to enjoy RWD. But if you do track it, it is generally more satisfying to do so with RWD. It is easier to toy with slip angle at the track, and not to mention safer generally (due to lower power and entry speed requirements)

Hope it stays a rumor, latest roundels have been overweight porkers and they don't need to get even more porky.
This I can agree with.

I'd be satisfied with a M3, with conventional AWD and a 6MT, ideal size to fit my tight garage space at work.
The ideal size to me is the M2, though I would prefer RWD. If anything, have AWD as an option, not the only choice on the M3 and smaller models.
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Small but still more than Honda/Acura
Hey, with VSC switched off, I too can power slide in my super duper handling torque vectoring smooth all-season tires in a very "refined" way.
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The ideal size to me is the M2
M2 with 4 doors, take my money. Prob about the same rear seat legroom as the AT-V.
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M2 with 4 doors, take my money. Prob about the same rear seat legroom as the AT-V.
with the way it is, BMW might just come out with a M2 Gran coupe.
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^^ that'd be a disaster to do anything to that car except lighten it and give it a bigger engine. BMW has finally returned to its roots.
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I think a bigger engine is highly unlikely. they will not let M2 pass M3/M4, at least on paper.

But we all know in reality M2 already performs better.
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Just have to wait for Dinan or Alpina to get a hold of the M2 I guess.
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probably right. But if the they are happy, Customers are happy and business is growing. Basically i don't see anything wrong with it if everyone is happy.
Yep... This SSFXTX dude is arguing a different point. Its like stupid political arguments, two people arguing different things saying each other are wrong.


If that dude values ownerhip experience for 75-200k mile range you can argue for honda or toyota, if you prize new-75k miles, obv the german stuff is superior.
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He's gone Booya, why prod the hornet's nest Jeezus. Stifle yourself.
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Anyone surprised?
825, 830, 835, 850, 845, 860 and M850, and also M8


The BMW 8 Series is set to return with an all new model to rival the Mercedes S-Class Coupe as a large, luxurious grand tourer.

Trademark applications with the global intellectual property regulators reveal that BMW has already started the basic prep work. In late March it applied to strengthen its control of a string of 8 Series-related names, including 825, 830, 835, 850, 845, 860 and M850.

A BMW insider has confirmed to Auto Express that the move was not merely a case of the company ring-fencing the badges for possible future use, and that it reflects an imminent rejig of BMW’s GT line-up.

BMW’s decision to bring back the 8 Series is due to a change of heart on what the 6 Series needs to be. The Bavarian manufacturer has not considered a rival to the Porsche 911 sports car before, preferring its 6 Series to be a larger, heavier GT. But the arrival of the Mercedes-AMG GT in the same market as the Porsche 911 has signalled new conflict between the big German premium brands, and now BMW wants the 6 Series to be its contender, as a more agile two-seater sports car. It’s that move which will make room for the new 8 Series.

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BMW has also applied to register M8, signalling the potential arrival of a production car that was originally considered back in the early nineties. BMW created prototypes with a V12 engine (the motor that would ultimately end up in the McLaren F1) in the original 8 Series, but canned the project due to a perceived lack of customer demand.

The new M8 would give BMW a rival for the likes of the Mercedes-AMG S63 Coupe. M division would probably choose to use the twin-turbocharged 4.4-litre V8 engine, producing around 450bhp, allowing the 7 Series’ V12 engine to be used in high-designation ‘regular’ 8 Series models like the 850 and M860.
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Anyone surprised?
825, 830, 835, 850, 845, 860 and M850, and also M8
Unlike most of the other new models introduced by BMW over the past couple of years, this (the return of the 8 series) is something I like. Move the existing 6 coupe, convertible, and GC up to the 8 series designation and introduce a new 911/AMG GT fighter as the 6 series. I think that makes quite a bit of sense, actually.
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Yah it does.

But because what they have been doing with all the other 100000 models, the new models that actually make sense dont seem to make much sense anymore. if you know what i mean.
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Yah it does.

But because what they have been doing with all the other 100000 models, the new models that actually make sense dont seem to make much sense anymore. if you know what i mean.
IOW, it feels like another shameless money grab. I get it.
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I'd be surprised if the we saw anything lower than the 835 here in the USA. I wonder why no 840? I wonder if that means they're going to drop the 740?
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This is just getting more "exciting" i think our sarcasm has become reality

BMW is preparing to launch a racy 365bhp M car as part of a new 2 Series GranCoupé line-up slated to hit UK showrooms in 2019.

Sister model to the recently introduced M2 Coupé, the M2 GranCoupé has been conceived to take the challenge to the upcoming Audi RS3 saloon and Mercedes-AMG CLA 45 in what promises to be an intriguing battle for junior performance car supremacy among Germany’s three main premium brands.

Although the BMW’s two main adversaries use transversely mounted engines and four-wheel drive, the M2 GranCoupé will feature a longitudinally mounted engine and rear-wheel drive. BMW’s intention is that this format will help to provide its new M car with more engaging driving traits than its Audi and Mercedes-AMG rivals — a move that has already made the M2 Coupé a big hit among enthusiast drivers.

With the next-generation 3 Series saloon set to grow in size, BMW believes there is sufficient scope within its future line-up to accommodate an additional model riding on its widely used rear-wheeldrive platform, hence the introduction of the 2 Series GranCoupé.

Secrecy surrounds the bodystyle of the new BMW, which is due to be produced alongside the 2 Series Coupé and Cabriolet at the German car maker’s plant in Leipzig. Until recently, senior BMW officials were undecided whether to follow the direction already taken with the 4 Series and 6 Series GranCoupés (a traditional four-door design) or to favour a more radical five-door liftback proposal for the 2 Series GranCoupé.

Insiders close to BMW research and development boss Klaus Fröhlich admit the four-door option would be the best choice for structural rigidity. However, they confirm certain officials are holding out for a liftback format, suggesting it would provide the new BMW with greater practicality than its rivals.

The need to accommodate two conventional front-hinged rear doors and sufficient rear seat leg room is said to be behind the decision to give the new car a wheelbase that is halfway between the 2690mm span of the 2 Series Coupé and the 2810mm of the existing 3 Series saloon.

The 2 Series GranCoupé will sport a new interior layout that is also set to be adopted by the successors to today’s 2 Series Coupé and Cabriolet, which are due in 2020.

The decision to push ahead with the 2 Series GranCoupé follows a decision by BMW chairman Harald Krüger not to offer a front-wheel-drive production version of the Concept Compact Sedan outside of China, at least in the short term. That car, which was revealed at last year’s Guangzhou show, will be built in China in a joint venture with BMW’s partner Brilliance.

The turbocharged three-cylinder and four-cylinder engines for the 2 Series GranCoupé will mirror those of the existing 2 Series Coupé and Cabriolet.

On the petrol side, expect a 134bhp 1.5-litre three-cylinder unit in the 218i GranCoupé, together with 181bhp and 242bhp 2.0-litre four-cylinders in mid-range 220i and 225i GranCoupé models and a 326bhp 3.0-litre six-cylinder in the 235i GranCoupé. Among the diesels will be 148bhp, 187bhp and 221bhp 2.0-litre fourcylinders in 218d, 220d and 225d GranCoupé models.

As with the 2 Series GranCoupé’s two-door sibling, buyers will have a choice of a standard six-speed manual or optional eight-speed torqueconverter automatic gearbox, as well as standard rear-wheel drive or optional xDrive fourwheel drive. However, fourwheel drive will be offered in combination with only a limited range of engines. The highlight of the new lineup, though, will be the M2 GranCoupé.

Set for launch in 2019, the new M car will use the same 365bhp turbocharged 3.0-litre in-line six-cylinder engine as its highly lauded two-door sibling. It will be offered in combination with either a standard six-speed manual or seven-speed dualclutch automatic gearbox.

Although it is still early days, the S55 B30- designated engine is expected to provide the M2 GranCoupé with similar performance to the M2 Coupé, which has an official 0-62mph time of 4.5sec in manual form and a limited 155mph top speed.

A 2 Series GranCoupé plug-in hybrid model is also mooted. It is expected to use BMW’s turbocharged 1.5-litre three-cylinder petrol engine and an electric motor mounted within the forward section of a standard eightspeed automatic gearbox.

In combination with a lithium ion battery pack positioned within the floor of the boot, this is intended to provide the new 225e GranCoupé with an electric range of up to 31 miles.
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He's gone Booya, why prod the hornet's nest Jeezus. Stifle yourself.
Too late
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Just read on Jalopnik that the 2019 3-series will be built in Mexico. No joke.
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Yup and 340 will become M340 and M sport will be the standard trim (with adjusted MSRP)

So if you want a 340 without M sport package, better get 1 now, or you will be forced to get it.

I tried to read the upcoming models G20/30 info, and it got so complicated, i gave up
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Just pretend the 2 series GT does not exist. That is what i do.
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BMW has seriously gone off the deep end with all of their models. Apparently simplicity is soooo yesterday.
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^^ I guess I don't understand the problem with that Taco. If they produce a good, solid product range appealing to everyone (and I mean everyone) then what's the harm? If they don't fill these niches, MBZ will so go for it I say. I don't perceive any less "BMW-ness" with my 3 as a result of a fattened range.
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I guess I find it confusing when I see newer BMWs on the road. In the past I knew exactly what I was looking at. These days, it's a bit muddled at times. I find it strange that BMW feels they need to make the EXACT vehicle for someone, rather than someone adjusting their price point or needs to fit a particular model. BMW totally changed how car buying used to work.


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