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05-10-2016, 01:02 PM
#481
Pretty sure BMW doesn't want to sell 120k units/year when it comes to the X5. See, this dummy SSFTSX has forgot that BMW caters to a higher class of people in North America, and they want to stay that way. They have no desire to so to plebes like SSFTSX. In fact, they'd likely be happier if people like him stayed away from their cars.
And every issue he listed with BMW, you can find similar encounters with Honda.
And every issue he listed with BMW, you can find similar encounters with Honda.
If you are buying an older used car you don't want that complexity.
05-10-2016, 01:05 PM
#482
Define superior. In this case its long term ownership. You can just use a chevy Tahoe or GMC Yukon as an example for insane resale value with dated interiors/tech.
05-10-2016, 01:05 PM
#483
Off course it superior. It's a 7 year old design with 20 year old tech selling with minimum discounts .
Most of them are low grade six cylinder X5.after few months the loaner are put on lot. I will rather in LX570 than X5M. One is more exclusive for those who understand.after warranty X5 will be at junk prices.
Let's put 4 runner's price tag to start at $60k with option to $90k and see how many it sells and how that will affect its resale value.
http://www.motortrend.com/news/jeep-wrangler-mercedes-benz-g550-toyota-land-cruiser-comparison/
The Land Cruiser was practically a sports car in the powder compared to the other two. The Toyota effortlessly gripped the ice- and slush-covered track, and it was the only vehicle of the three to avoid getting dumped into a snowbank—and it’s the vehicle that dragged the other two out. “It took a little bit of manhandling and Swedish flicking to make the Land Bruiser break free,” Lieberman said, “but once it did, we were all carving perfect Tanner Foust-style drifts.”
While off-roading in the Land Cruiser, I repeatedly found myself saying it wasn’t going to make it, yet time and time again it proved me wrong.
It wasn’t that I thought Toyota couldn’t make an off-roader; it’s just its size and overhangs felt amplified on the trail. The Land Cruiser, however, comes with the tools it needs to hang with the little guys. “The Toyota won my heart,” Lieberman said. “The big boy was able to go every single place that the other two were. Just activate Crawl Control and Turn Assist, and the Land Cruiser locks up the inside rear tire, allowing the Toyota to nearly pivot in place.”
The Land Cruiser was practically a sports car in the powder compared to the other two. The Toyota effortlessly gripped the ice- and slush-covered track, and it was the only vehicle of the three to avoid getting dumped into a snowbank—and it’s the vehicle that dragged the other two out. “It took a little bit of manhandling and Swedish flicking to make the Land Bruiser break free,” Lieberman said, “but once it did, we were all carving perfect Tanner Foust-style drifts.”
While off-roading in the Land Cruiser, I repeatedly found myself saying it wasn’t going to make it, yet time and time again it proved me wrong.
It wasn’t that I thought Toyota couldn’t make an off-roader; it’s just its size and overhangs felt amplified on the trail. The Land Cruiser, however, comes with the tools it needs to hang with the little guys. “The Toyota won my heart,” Lieberman said. “The big boy was able to go every single place that the other two were. Just activate Crawl Control and Turn Assist, and the Land Cruiser locks up the inside rear tire, allowing the Toyota to nearly pivot in place.”
05-10-2016, 01:19 PM
#484
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So superior in resale value means little to nothing when you compare 4 runners and X5.
05-10-2016, 01:20 PM
#485
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That article says nothing about the X5 
I recently heard a review calling the LX one of the worst SUVs money can buy. No joke. I was even surprised because I like the LX. Goes to show that it's all a matter of the reviewers perspective.
I recently heard a review calling the LX one of the worst SUVs money can buy. No joke. I was even surprised because I like the LX. Goes to show that it's all a matter of the reviewers perspective.
05-10-2016, 01:21 PM
#486
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Off course it superior. It's a 7 year old design with 20 year old tech selling with minimum discounts .
Most of them are low grade six cylinder X5.after few months the loaner are put on lot. I will rather in LX570 than X5M. One is more exclusive for those who understand.after warranty X5 will be at junk prices.
Most of them are low grade six cylinder X5.after few months the loaner are put on lot. I will rather in LX570 than X5M. One is more exclusive for those who understand.after warranty X5 will be at junk prices.
If minimum discounts defines superiority, then Scion is the superiorest.
05-10-2016, 04:28 PM
#487
People like those designs. BMW has no worth. Germans don't care as they have run whole Europe into the ground. They just use cheap labor with no quality control.
05-10-2016, 04:35 PM
#488
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There are more LX and Land cruiser sold per month than X5M . even $70k GX is more successful . BMW is in deep discounts. few month old X5 can be had in mid 50k. You can't find GX460 (already 7 year old tech) used months old at such price.
People like those designs. BMW has no worth. Germans don't care as they have run whole Europe into the ground. They just use cheap labor with no quality control.
People like those designs. BMW has no worth. Germans don't care as they have run whole Europe into the ground. They just use cheap labor with no quality control.
05-10-2016, 04:39 PM
#489
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There are more LX and Land cruiser sold per month than X5M . even $70k GX is more successful . BMW is in deep discounts. few month old X5 can be had in mid 50k. You can't find GX460 (already 7 year old tech) used months old at such price.
People like those designs. BMW has no worth. Germans don't care as they have run whole Europe into the ground. They just use cheap labor with no quality control.
People like those designs. BMW has no worth. Germans don't care as they have run whole Europe into the ground. They just use cheap labor with no quality control.
Ironically X5 starts at mid 50k. so damn 0% depreciation sounds pretty good to me
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05-10-2016, 05:39 PM
#491
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In other words, your point sucked.
Didn't work.
At all.
05-10-2016, 05:40 PM
#492
X5 is neither here nor there. I am expecting X5 goes further down in price once that MDX hybrid comes online.
05-10-2016, 05:40 PM
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this JD surveys are meaningless as they mostly new car owners. you can see the closer is BMW to warranty expiration the further is price drop.
Don't ever thing about comparing BMW quality with Acura. starting with thos brake dust impacted rims, bend suspensions on pot holes. fading color.
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Don't ever thing about comparing BMW quality with Acura. starting with thos brake dust impacted rims, bend suspensions on pot holes. fading color.
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JD Power is not meaningless and the only reason you're saying that is because BMW is rated better than Acura. Now let me tell you why I don't buy Acuras any more: the last one I had was a 2001 CL Type S. It shot through 4 transmissions in less than 100K (all covered under warranty because of known issues with under built trannies trying to cope with horsepower of CL). Once while driving the car on the thruway, the ca shifted from 5th to 2nd at 65 mph with no input from me. I nearly went through the windshield. The second time was the same except I wasn't going as fast. The 3rd and 4th times the car had to be flat bedded because it wouldn't engage drive. Acura is shit compared to my BMW's, from the interior to the second rate wheels to the lousy interiors, to the lousy brakes and transmissions. There is no comparison between car finishes, any moron can tell you that. Put a BMW next to an Acura and the paint finish differences is beyond compare. You're cruising around in a 7, almost 8 year old car and we're supposed to take anything you say about cars seriously? You obviously aren't in the market, able to be in the market and clueless about the market as it is now. Quit being a clueless ass and STFU.
05-10-2016, 06:11 PM
#494
I feel the need...
You're cruising around in a 7, almost 8 year old car and we're supposed to take anything you say about cars seriously?
Quit being a clueless ass and STFU.
Enjoy your watches and your bimmers and shine on you crazy diamond... No need to get upset like me over cars you can't buy because their sold out vapor.
05-10-2016, 06:59 PM
#496
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So you're comparing a 15yo car versus a 7yo car? Have you driven a Ford lately...
Have you been snoozing the past 18 months and just discovered botzine? Herr Sr. Mod's got his panties in a bunch over a bot.
Enjoy your watches and your bimmers and shine on you crazy diamond... No need to get upset like me over cars you can't buy because their sold out vapor.
Have you been snoozing the past 18 months and just discovered botzine? Herr Sr. Mod's got his panties in a bunch over a bot.
Enjoy your watches and your bimmers and shine on you crazy diamond... No need to get upset like me over cars you can't buy because their sold out vapor.
05-10-2016, 08:13 PM
#498
I feel the need...
And just to be clear, I wasn't ripping on Ford. It was a riff on the 80's jingle.
Not sure why
would say "Acura's are shit" when he's talking about his 15 year old car. If you want to make the argument that BMW offers more choices, more power, more luxury than a comparable Acura that is certainly legitimate debate. But to paint a broad brush because you had a negative experience 15 years ago is stupid.
Besides, you can't out-bot the bot. Confounded why anyone still tries.
Not sure why
would say "Acura's are shit" when he's talking about his 15 year old car. If you want to make the argument that BMW offers more choices, more power, more luxury than a comparable Acura that is certainly legitimate debate. But to paint a broad brush because you had a negative experience 15 years ago is stupid. Besides, you can't out-bot the bot. Confounded why anyone still tries.
05-10-2016, 10:46 PM
#499
here is another asking $88k for 2015 X5M with only 2k miles. you cant change minivan with sport kit. its like lipstick on pig.
2015 *BMW X5 M* - BMW Mineral White Metallic
it has the luxury and road isolation feel of body on frame.
05-11-2016, 05:33 AM
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I was ripping on a 15 year old Acura because that is the lasting impression I have of the brand after having those issues. Period. The 1st Gen CL I had wasn't any better with it's host of electrical/accessory problems. Those 2 cars conspired to forever drive me away from Acura not helped by uninspired design/performance.
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05-11-2016, 09:34 AM
#502
i still have no fucking clue on what he's always trying to compare with.
its the same in every automotive thread, he compares cars that dont even make sense to compare....
do you not understand English?
and the last time I remember, Lexus was striving to be Like BMW.
NOT the other way around
its the same in every automotive thread, he compares cars that dont even make sense to compare....
do you not understand English?
and the last time I remember, Lexus was striving to be Like BMW.
NOT the other way around
05-11-2016, 09:39 AM
#503
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the bot is a tool. RPhil is right- Germany leads all of Europe when it comes to GDP.
I'm starting to get really annoyed because I really like the automotive section, yet ANY thread I go into, whether it's kia/Hyundai, BMW, Acura, Honda, Ford, whatever, SSFTSX is in there derailing the threads with his nonsense, misinformation and lunacy.
Seriously, what does it take to have a guy banned? All I ever hear is about how hard the mods used to regulate AZ- yet this guy ruins thread after thread after thread after thread after...
I'm starting to get really annoyed because I really like the automotive section, yet ANY thread I go into, whether it's kia/Hyundai, BMW, Acura, Honda, Ford, whatever, SSFTSX is in there derailing the threads with his nonsense, misinformation and lunacy.
Seriously, what does it take to have a guy banned? All I ever hear is about how hard the mods used to regulate AZ- yet this guy ruins thread after thread after thread after thread after...
05-11-2016, 12:13 PM
#504
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Originally Posted by SSFTSX;15748678[B
]it is limited because there is not much interest in it[/B]. I am only comparing vehicles that similar transaction prices. I showed you used X5M CPO on the lot with special color.
You say some of the dumbest stuff on the Internet. I love it. Thank you for being you.
05-11-2016, 01:45 PM
#505
No they don't, I bet they are quite content that their beautiful cars complex engineering nudge owners to replace and upgrade at closer intervals. Like turning tables at a restaurant, you make more $$
05-11-2016, 01:47 PM
#506
i still have no fucking clue on what he's always trying to compare with.
its the same in every automotive thread, he compares cars that dont even make sense to compare....
do you not understand English?
and the last time I remember, Lexus was striving to be Like BMW.
NOT the other way around
its the same in every automotive thread, he compares cars that dont even make sense to compare....
do you not understand English?
and the last time I remember, Lexus was striving to be Like BMW.
NOT the other way around
05-11-2016, 04:08 PM
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what were we talking about again originally??
05-11-2016, 04:09 PM
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Something about SSFTSX being a dummy and a troll, I think.
05-11-2016, 04:11 PM
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let's get it back on track Taco, help an Indian out
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05-11-2016, 04:16 PM
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Fiiiiiine. :pouty face:
So somewhat BMW related... Any of you ever check out bringatrailer.com? I've seen a number of E30 M3s sell through there, as of late. Some are crazy modded, but all are generally nice looking vehicles. Wouldn't mind one in the garage, that's for sure.
So somewhat BMW related... Any of you ever check out bringatrailer.com? I've seen a number of E30 M3s sell through there, as of late. Some are crazy modded, but all are generally nice looking vehicles. Wouldn't mind one in the garage, that's for sure.
05-11-2016, 04:22 PM
#511
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probably right. But if the they are happy, Customers are happy and business is growing. Basically i don't see anything wrong with it if everyone is happy.
05-11-2016, 04:25 PM
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05-12-2016, 01:02 AM
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05-12-2016, 06:24 AM
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I would say "limited" has to be into the proper context by manufacturer's output of the model. I would imagine the X5M is less than 1/10th or less of BMW's total output of the X5 sport ute. Likewise, the NSX is a very low volume vehicle produced by Acura.
05-12-2016, 07:59 AM
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05-12-2016, 10:57 AM
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repeating myself: let's get it back on track justnspace, help an Indian out
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05-12-2016, 02:47 PM
#520
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M2,3 4 will remain RWD and I am sure you know this, that is because of Mercedes and Audi. Has absolutely nothing to do with Acura, Mitsubishi, Subaru or whatever other brands that also offer AWD. They probably dont even know who Acura is.