Acura: TSX News
04-08-2008, 12:29 PM
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They're just saying that the rear styling just looks like any other Japanese sedan and nothing out of the ordinary, meaning boring and not standing out from the crowd.
04-08-2008, 09:41 PM
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Not to go off topic, anyone noticed the rims that they get for Europe?
http://vtec.net/news/news-image?imag...8eu_acc-07.jpg
Those are the most aggressive rims I've seen from Honda!
http://vtec.net/news/news-image?imag...8eu_acc-07.jpg
Those are the most aggressive rims I've seen from Honda!
04-08-2008, 10:25 PM
#1523
Originally Posted by 06tsxbruin
Not to go off topic, anyone noticed the rims that they get for Europe?
http://vtec.net/news/news-image?imag...8eu_acc-07.jpg
Those are the most aggressive rims I've seen from Honda!
http://vtec.net/news/news-image?imag...8eu_acc-07.jpg
Those are the most aggressive rims I've seen from Honda!
04-08-2008, 10:35 PM
#1524
Originally Posted by 06tsxbruin
Not to go off topic, anyone noticed the rims that they get for Europe?
http://vtec.net/news/news-image?imag...8eu_acc-07.jpg
Those are the most aggressive rims I've seen from Honda!
http://vtec.net/news/news-image?imag...8eu_acc-07.jpg
Those are the most aggressive rims I've seen from Honda!
04-09-2008, 01:44 AM
#1528
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The spec page is interesting - is that 201 PS just coincidentaly the same as the 201HP for the TSX? 
The Tourer is only 10 lbs heavier in 2.4 gasser MT trim.
3000+lb braked trailer towing capacity - this is never advertised in the US.
7.8s 0-62 means about 7.5s 0-60, about the same as current model?
The Tourer is only 10 lbs heavier in 2.4 gasser MT trim.
3000+lb braked trailer towing capacity - this is never advertised in the US.
7.8s 0-62 means about 7.5s 0-60, about the same as current model?
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04-09-2008, 02:14 PM
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Is my conversion correct? 1607kg=3543lbs for the A/T sedan Wow! 130lbs short of current TL? Guess I'll wait for TL news and then go G8 if TL perfomance, SH and price are way out of line?? Just do not like the infinity, lexus or G cars...dang
04-10-2008, 05:01 AM
#1531
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Yeah, it seems to have gained some weight - tho not too much. About 3300+ lbs in MT trim. All those luxury items add up to a lot of weight and of course the car is bigger than before. I have a feeling that we may be reaching the crest of this "car will get bigger with more power on every redesign" mentality.
04-10-2008, 09:52 AM
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Honda has made the US Accord bigger every time, but also has increased the HP by more than 10hp of both the I4 and V6 models as well, something that Honda hasn't done with the Euro/JDM Accord.
04-10-2008, 04:32 PM
#1533
6G TLX-S
Originally Posted by Mokos23
Honda has made the US Accord bigger every time, but also has increased the HP by more than 10hp of both the I4 and V6 models as well, something that Honda hasn't done with the Euro/JDM Accord.
04-11-2008, 09:56 AM
#1534
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Originally Posted by Mokos23
Honda has made the US Accord bigger every time, but also has increased the HP by more than 10hp of both the I4 and V6 models as well, something that Honda hasn't done with the Euro/JDM Accord.
The increased weight has negated any performance gains due to the increased power but Honda has managed to gain a bit on the mileage front.
04-11-2008, 03:01 PM
#1535
6G TLX-S
Originally Posted by biker
They made EuroAccord bigger and more powerful this time didn't they? There have been increases in the past as well, just not as much as the USDM Accord.
The increased weight has negated any performance gains due to the increased power but Honda has managed to gain a bit on the mileage front.
The increased weight has negated any performance gains due to the increased power but Honda has managed to gain a bit on the mileage front.
04-11-2008, 03:16 PM
#1536
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Originally Posted by Edward'TLS
One quick glance at the Honda/Acura products seems to indicate that Honda is now more interested in getting good mileage than in winning hp battles.
But their not really winning the MPG battle either.
The TSX is a great example of that. Far less powerful than the competition with equal or marginally better MPG.
04-11-2008, 06:47 PM
#1537
The TSX is no powerhouse, but even when compared to similarly sized vehicles with similar HP ratings (e.g. IS250, C300, etc.), the TSX still manages to have the better fuel economy. Yes, the difference is marginal, but it's there.
04-11-2008, 07:50 PM
#1538
I feel the need...
Originally Posted by biker
The combined cycle mileage is about 27 MPG for the 2.4 gasser while it's 42MPG! for the diesel.
04-12-2008, 12:42 AM
#1540
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Originally Posted by jwaters943
The TSX is no powerhouse, but even when compared to similarly sized vehicles with similar HP ratings (e.g. IS250, C300, etc.), the TSX still manages to have the better fuel economy. Yes, the difference is marginal, but it's there.
04-12-2008, 01:04 AM
#1541
My old 2G TL-S burned almost as much gas as my pushrod V8. And I drive my Z28 very hard. There's no excuse for lack of power here.... I think its more to save costs than anything.
04-12-2008, 03:52 AM
#1542
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Originally Posted by Fibonacci
Yah, but the increased cost of diesel fuel vs gas pretty much negates the mpg advantage here in the states.
$3.50 (gas) -> $4.00 (diesel) is only a %14 increase in fuel cost
You gotta do the math
04-12-2008, 03:55 AM
#1543
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Originally Posted by Edward'TLS
One quick glance at the Honda/Acura products seems to indicate that Honda is now more interested in getting good mileage than in winning hp battles.
04-12-2008, 07:24 AM
#1544
I feel the need...
Originally Posted by biker
27 -> 42 is a 48% increase in mileage.
$3.50 (gas) -> $4.00 (diesel) is only a %14 increase in fuel cost
You gotta do the math
$3.50 (gas) -> $4.00 (diesel) is only a %14 increase in fuel cost
You gotta do the math
Here in MI the spread is significantly wider, and I didn't say it totally negated the mpg advantage, merely makes it less compelling, especially with the price disadvantage of a diesel engine.
04-12-2008, 10:28 AM
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Much more than 50 cents a gal between premium and diesel? That would be unusual over the long term.
Yeah, the payback depends on the upfront cost - with most hybrids the extra up front is not made up by the increased mileage during the typical ownership period. I'm assuming that the diesel premium will only be about $1000 making such a choice viable in financial terms.
Yeah, the payback depends on the upfront cost - with most hybrids the extra up front is not made up by the increased mileage during the typical ownership period. I'm assuming that the diesel premium will only be about $1000 making such a choice viable in financial terms.
04-12-2008, 04:38 PM
#1547
6G TLX-S
Originally Posted by biker
...and I think this new TSX is where Honda wants to take the lead - not necessarily in a good category - reduction in HP levels to achieve better mileage. I see a return of the dumbing down of engines (a la the 70s) - first because folks are starting to look at the mileage numbers seriously and second because it's being mandated by EPA rules.
04-13-2008, 01:54 AM
#1548
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Originally Posted by Edward'TLS
A good move for Honda vehicles, but definitely not a good move for Acura vehicles. Please let the Acura line-up emphasizes engine powers like all other successful luxury car makers, and leave the medicore-engine-power high mileage contesters to the economy Honda line-up.
This 201 HP TSX is one of the very few cars where the HP rating went down during a redesign. Like I said, I think they may be trying to lead in the economy category. Unfortunately for Honda they can't brag about window sticker mileage numbers cause they're not that great relative to other cars. But in the real world their numbers usually beat just about everyone else.
04-13-2008, 03:30 AM
#1549
6G TLX-S
Originally Posted by biker
When MB is talking about using 4 cyl engines in their lineup pretty soon you know fuel economy will be the next great marketing "thing" even in the luxury lineup.
As for BMW, even the smallish sub-compact 128i is using a 230hp 3L-I6 as the base engine. BMW has simply abandoned using 4-cylinder engines in its entire US line-up.
As for Lexus, E320 becomes E350, and LS430 becomes LS460. The hybrids exist to boost horsepowers, not fuel economy. Fuel economy is reserved to be the task of the economy brand Toyota Prius.
I don't think these luxury car makers really pay much attention to fuel economy, when they're only interested in boosting horsepowers and recognitions (unlike Acura). There maybe a 4-cylinder diesel engine somewhere down the road for them just to shut-up all those "talking green" individuals. But no way are they going to let up the horsepower wars by putting more emphasis on fuel economy than on boosting horsepowers.
04-13-2008, 03:46 PM
#1550
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Real world pics of 2009 TSX
Some barely camo'd pics of this TSX... not bad. It desperately needs a Type-S.
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04-13-2008, 08:10 PM
#1552
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04-14-2008, 04:16 AM
#1553
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Originally Posted by Edward'TLS
Maybe in the future, but definitely not now. All I see is that even the base engine in the brand new C-class, sold in the US, is no longer a 201hp 2.5L-V6, but a 228hp 3L-V6. The upcoming 503hp 6.2L-V8 C63-AMG will be replacing the 362hp 5.4L-V8 C55-AMG.
As for BMW, even the smallish sub-compact 128i is using a 230hp 3L-I6 as the base engine. BMW has simply abandoned using 4-cylinder engines in its entire US line-up.
As for Lexus, E320 becomes E350, and LS430 becomes LS460. The hybrids exist to boost horsepowers, not fuel economy. Fuel economy is reserved to be the task of the economy brand Toyota Prius.
I don't think these luxury car makers really pay much attention to fuel economy, when they're only interested in boosting horsepowers and recognitions (unlike Acura). There maybe a 4-cylinder diesel engine somewhere down the road for them just to shut-up all those "talking green" individuals. But no way are they going to let up the horsepower wars by putting more emphasis on fuel economy than on boosting horsepowers.
As for BMW, even the smallish sub-compact 128i is using a 230hp 3L-I6 as the base engine. BMW has simply abandoned using 4-cylinder engines in its entire US line-up.
As for Lexus, E320 becomes E350, and LS430 becomes LS460. The hybrids exist to boost horsepowers, not fuel economy. Fuel economy is reserved to be the task of the economy brand Toyota Prius.
I don't think these luxury car makers really pay much attention to fuel economy, when they're only interested in boosting horsepowers and recognitions (unlike Acura). There maybe a 4-cylinder diesel engine somewhere down the road for them just to shut-up all those "talking green" individuals. But no way are they going to let up the horsepower wars by putting more emphasis on fuel economy than on boosting horsepowers.
Many of the drivetrain decisions made this year won't be reflected in cars until the next redesign cycle years down the road. The new EPA rules make gas guzzlers almost illegal to sell by 2020 - so one more cycle of ever increasing HP might be possible, but unlikely. No, I'm not saying any luxury make will have a 4 cyl engine next year but the next 3 series (5 years?) for example probably won't have anything bigger or more powerfull than the current 300 HP 335 drivetrain (M3 excepted).
Maybe Honda was swift enough to foresee the EPA decision and the oncoming fuel economy rules and started the trend already? I mean the TL will be trailing most of the competion in terms of power too.
04-14-2008, 02:53 PM
#1554
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Base - $28,960
Tech - $32,060
+ 715 dest.
Tech - $32,060
+ 715 dest.
TORRANCE, Calif. - 04/14/2008
Acura today announced pricing for the all-new 2009 TSX sports sedan that will go on sale at Acura dealerships nationwide on April 24th.
The completely redesigned TSX will be available in two versions: the generously appointed TSX and the fully-featured TSX with Technology Package. MSRP pricing starts at $28,960 and tops at $32,060. The 2009 TSX is available with either a 6-speed manual transmission or 5-speed automatic for no additional charge. Although the new TSX surpasses the previous generation in virtually every way, pricing for the 2009 model represents a modest 4.3 percent sales weighted average price increase. Destination and Handling for the 2009 TSX remains unchanged at $715.
"The all-new TSX is loaded with more technology, better performance, additional comfort and enhanced safety to make it one of the most desirable sedans in its class," said Dick Colliver, executive vice president of sales. "We expect the dramatically improved 2009 model to set even more sales records than its predecessor."
With Acura's new "Keen Edge Dynamic" styling, a clean and efficient i-VTEC® DOHC 4-cylinder engine, a choice of automatic or manual transmission, and the driving character that is an Acura trademark, the 2009 TSX is anticipated increase sales as Acura's entry-level sports sedan. Major advances in handling, ride comfort, interior refinement, safety features, improved fuel economy, and lower emissions contribute to the new TSX's appeal.
In addition to its 3.0-inches greater width and 2.6-inches wider track, the 2009 TSX has a 1.3-inches longer wheelbase and 2.4 inches more overall length. Along with greater interior roominess, these dimensions combine with the TSX's new suspension to provide more agile handling and improved ride quality. Generous standard appointments include leather trim, power moonroof, HID headlights, Bluetooth® HandsFreeLink® and a high power audio system with XM® Radio along with USB port connectivity. The 2009 TSX enhances safety with its new Advanced Compatibility Engineering™ (ACE™) front body structure.
The TSX's Technology Package features a wide array of technology including the Acura Navigation System with Voice Recognition™, Zagat® restaurant information, and rearview camera; AcuraLink® Satellite Communication System; AcuraLink® Real-time traffic with an all-new Traffic Rerouting™ function; AcuraLink® weather with current and future weather information; a 10-speaker Acura/ELS® Premium Sound System with multi-format 6-disc DVD-Audio changer, AM/FM tuner, XM® Satellite Radio, Note function for XM® Radio, and Dolby Pro Logic II; and a GPS-linked, solar-sensing, dual-zone automatic climate control system.
The Acura/ELS® system, all-new for 2009, is tuned by 6-time Grammy® award winning sound engineer Elliot Scheiner. This 10-speaker Acura/ELS™ Premium Surround Sound System with DVD-Audio (that is 500 times clearer than traditional CD) delivers studio quality sound along with a new Note function for XM® Radio that makes it easy to identify songs to recall at a later date.
Acura offers a full line of technologically advanced performance luxury vehicles through a network of 268 dealers within the United States. The 2008 Acura lineup features five distinctive models including the RL luxury performance sedan, the TL performance luxury sedan, the TSX sports sedan, the turbocharged RDX crossover SUV and the award-winning MDX luxury sport utility vehicle.
Acura today announced pricing for the all-new 2009 TSX sports sedan that will go on sale at Acura dealerships nationwide on April 24th.
The completely redesigned TSX will be available in two versions: the generously appointed TSX and the fully-featured TSX with Technology Package. MSRP pricing starts at $28,960 and tops at $32,060. The 2009 TSX is available with either a 6-speed manual transmission or 5-speed automatic for no additional charge. Although the new TSX surpasses the previous generation in virtually every way, pricing for the 2009 model represents a modest 4.3 percent sales weighted average price increase. Destination and Handling for the 2009 TSX remains unchanged at $715.
"The all-new TSX is loaded with more technology, better performance, additional comfort and enhanced safety to make it one of the most desirable sedans in its class," said Dick Colliver, executive vice president of sales. "We expect the dramatically improved 2009 model to set even more sales records than its predecessor."
With Acura's new "Keen Edge Dynamic" styling, a clean and efficient i-VTEC® DOHC 4-cylinder engine, a choice of automatic or manual transmission, and the driving character that is an Acura trademark, the 2009 TSX is anticipated increase sales as Acura's entry-level sports sedan. Major advances in handling, ride comfort, interior refinement, safety features, improved fuel economy, and lower emissions contribute to the new TSX's appeal.
In addition to its 3.0-inches greater width and 2.6-inches wider track, the 2009 TSX has a 1.3-inches longer wheelbase and 2.4 inches more overall length. Along with greater interior roominess, these dimensions combine with the TSX's new suspension to provide more agile handling and improved ride quality. Generous standard appointments include leather trim, power moonroof, HID headlights, Bluetooth® HandsFreeLink® and a high power audio system with XM® Radio along with USB port connectivity. The 2009 TSX enhances safety with its new Advanced Compatibility Engineering™ (ACE™) front body structure.
The TSX's Technology Package features a wide array of technology including the Acura Navigation System with Voice Recognition™, Zagat® restaurant information, and rearview camera; AcuraLink® Satellite Communication System; AcuraLink® Real-time traffic with an all-new Traffic Rerouting™ function; AcuraLink® weather with current and future weather information; a 10-speaker Acura/ELS® Premium Sound System with multi-format 6-disc DVD-Audio changer, AM/FM tuner, XM® Satellite Radio, Note function for XM® Radio, and Dolby Pro Logic II; and a GPS-linked, solar-sensing, dual-zone automatic climate control system.
The Acura/ELS® system, all-new for 2009, is tuned by 6-time Grammy® award winning sound engineer Elliot Scheiner. This 10-speaker Acura/ELS™ Premium Surround Sound System with DVD-Audio (that is 500 times clearer than traditional CD) delivers studio quality sound along with a new Note function for XM® Radio that makes it easy to identify songs to recall at a later date.
Acura offers a full line of technologically advanced performance luxury vehicles through a network of 268 dealers within the United States. The 2008 Acura lineup features five distinctive models including the RL luxury performance sedan, the TL performance luxury sedan, the TSX sports sedan, the turbocharged RDX crossover SUV and the award-winning MDX luxury sport utility vehicle.
04-14-2008, 02:59 PM
#1555
What Would Don Draper Do?
about time pricing is released.
it's still competitive, price-wise. at least it's not going into mid-30's as discussed before.
but even if you get a good deal for the tech package $30k...it's a lot of money for this car, in my opinion.
it's still competitive, price-wise. at least it's not going into mid-30's as discussed before.
but even if you get a good deal for the tech package $30k...it's a lot of money for this car, in my opinion.
04-14-2008, 03:08 PM
#1556
6G TLX-S
Originally Posted by biker
Maybe Honda was swift enough to foresee the EPA decision and the oncoming fuel economy rules and started the trend already? I mean the TL will be trailing most of the competion in terms of power too.
The best strategy for Acura is to capture the market and make big money for the time being by selling high power vehicles in the luxury segment, right up to the very moment the new EPA ruling comes into effect. Acura shouldn't be the odd one out losing big sales to the power craving crowds. But if Honda can come up with engine designs which generate high power and good fuel economy. That's even better. But it hasn't. ..... sigh !
After the EPA ruling becomes in effect in 2020, Acura can again capture the market by concentrating on maximum fuel economy when every other luxury makers are also forced to leave the high hp battle-ground. However, I have a strong feeling that 12 years from now, vehicles may not be powered by gas or diesel fueled engines at all, but by fuel cell ones or electric ones.
2020 is still a lo.....ng way away. Being environmental friendly is one thing, but being able to cut a big piece of the high power luxury-vehicle-market pie is another. After all, no one wants to paid big bucks for a lame luxury car that sits at the bottom of the performance chart in Car&Driver's or Road&Track's luxury car shootout tests.
One thought comes to me. If fuel economy is the priority now, isn't Acura going backwards by releasing fuel-wasting AWD as standard equipment on some models ? Isn't Acura going backwards by releasing a V8/V10 RL and NSX in the next few years ?
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04-14-2008, 03:22 PM
#1558
What Would Don Draper Do?
Originally Posted by Mokos23
not bad with pricing. so does this mean then the new TL will be priced the same as the current TL?
04-15-2008, 07:46 AM
#1560
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Originally Posted by Edward'TLS
One thought comes to me. If fuel economy is the priority now, isn't Acura going backwards by releasing fuel-wasting AWD as standard equipment on some models ? Isn't Acura going backwards by releasing a V8/V10 RL and NSX in the next few years ?
Acura needs their halo car back and like the last one they'll probably milk it for 10+ years - right up to when the EPA milage rules kick in.
I guess Motorweek had their price wrong. In terms of street price this represents a $3+K (10%+) increase assumming the car will go for sticker for a while - tho by the end of the year I'm sure deals will be had. I have a feeling there'll be fewer folks stepping up to the upmarket model now that the diff is bigger - plus there's that psychological 30K barrier.
Last edited by biker; 04-15-2008 at 07:50 AM.