Acura: TSX News
06-06-2008, 12:09 PM
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Originally Posted by biker
Positive spin on the car but have two issues that jumped out at me.
I'm pretty sure Honda expected sales of 1st gen TSX to be much higher than 16K/yr and 181ft to stop from 60? That has to be a typo.
I'm pretty sure Honda expected sales of 1st gen TSX to be much higher than 16K/yr and 181ft to stop from 60? That has to be a typo.
http://www.cars.com/go/crp/research....=&aff=national
http://www.roadandtravel.com/roadtes...s/acuratsx.htm
As for the stopping distance, if you look at the test sheet, it's from 70-0mph. Still that's nothing impressive at all, not only do the brakes suck, but the tires are also another reason. If you refer back to some tests on the TL, you can find how the TL 6MT with crappy Turanzas would take 189ft, while with the summer tire option, it can stop in 160ft. Sources:
http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...a_tl_road_test
http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...take_road_test
I have no idea why Honda/Acura continues to use mediocre tires. Not only do they make the braking distance longer, but they also pull much less g's. Based on those sources again, with the Turanza's, it can pull 0.81g only, with the summer tires, it would pull 0.89g, and with the A-spec model, it would pull 0.9, and with the Type S, even higher, at 0.93g.
06-06-2008, 11:27 PM
#1684
Originally Posted by vishnus11
Fully agree. In fact I 'was' going to throw in a light-hearted comment about it, but what good would that do...
I don't for one minute think that C&D is a very credible publication, especially after that recent shamble. But then I guess I'd be reading 3 mags and thats it - CAR, EVO, and Topgear - who don't even review a lot of the models we have in the States.
And that also doesn't mean that there aren't some credible writers left @ C&D. But now I approach their reviews with more caution.
If you like the article, read it. If you don't, don't.
EDIT: I like R&T too, so I guess that would make 4 mags.
I don't for one minute think that C&D is a very credible publication, especially after that recent shamble. But then I guess I'd be reading 3 mags and thats it - CAR, EVO, and Topgear - who don't even review a lot of the models we have in the States.
And that also doesn't mean that there aren't some credible writers left @ C&D. But now I approach their reviews with more caution.
If you like the article, read it. If you don't, don't.
EDIT: I like R&T too, so I guess that would make 4 mags.
Didn't mean to sound like an ass, I was just kinda confused that it was you who posted a C&D article. I too have lost faith in C&D a long time ago...I recommend Automobile magazine. It has a bright red banner at the top with "Automobile" in plain font at the top. They almost exclusively cover cars that are available in North America. Its rare that I read Automobile, then say to myself, "wtf were they thinking?"
06-07-2008, 04:52 AM
#1685
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Originally Posted by iforyou
Actually, Honda expected to produce 15000 1st gen TSX per year. One can find that info in several sources, such as the ones below, and car and driver.
I thought most reviews have 60-0 stopping distances?
06-07-2008, 01:11 PM
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Yea, that's possible, but we won't know for sure. Besides 15000 is only for the TSX, that did not include the European Honda Accord, all they had to do was rebadge the car and make some minor changes, so at 15000, it might sound low, but they should be making money.
lol, yea, you are right about the stopping distance, but C/D does it differently, probably because most people speed nowadays :P
lol, yea, you are right about the stopping distance, but C/D does it differently, probably because most people speed nowadays :P
06-07-2008, 02:32 PM
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Originally Posted by DtEW
"Yes, for U.S. Sale: The U.S.-spec Acura TSX is not only as tight as the European and Japanese versions, it’s tighter"
http://www.autoweek.com/cat_print.mv...511&1914530282
Some factoids from the article:
Tested Vehicle: 2004 Acura TSX, 6-speed manual w/moonroof
Vehicle Weight: 3230lbs
Mass Balance: 60% front, 40% rear
Peak HP: 200hp @ 6800rpm
Peak Torque: 166lb-ft @ 4500rpm
http://www.autoweek.com/cat_print.mv...511&1914530282
Some factoids from the article:
Tested Vehicle: 2004 Acura TSX, 6-speed manual w/moonroof
Vehicle Weight: 3230lbs
Mass Balance: 60% front, 40% rear
Peak HP: 200hp @ 6800rpm
Peak Torque: 166lb-ft @ 4500rpm
06-07-2008, 07:56 PM
#1688
I feel the need...
I finally got around to driving an '09 6MT. It just doesn't feel like enough of an upgrade to make me compelled to purchase. I did like the interior a bit better than the pics, still think the exterior is meh.
And to repeat a common refrain, it's getting porky for an NA 4 banger.
And to repeat a common refrain, it's getting porky for an NA 4 banger.
06-08-2008, 12:59 AM
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Originally Posted by Fibonacci
And to repeat a common refrain, it's getting porky for an NA 4 banger.
06-08-2008, 01:21 AM
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saw a new 09 TSX that on a regular street not near any acura dealership, so i guess i saw my first purchased or leased TSX on the road. you can tell it's a TSX from a mile away cause of the unusual grill that no other car on the road has.
06-09-2008, 03:54 AM
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Originally Posted by Mokos23
you can tell it's a TSX from a mile away cause of the unusual grill that no other car on the road has.
06-09-2008, 05:02 AM
#1693
I miss my 03 CL-S :(
Originally Posted by biker
...hmmm.. maybe that's the point of this new grill theme...
06-09-2008, 09:05 AM
#1694
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Originally Posted by einsatz
Yeah because Subaru had great success with this approach in the B9 and other cars for a while there...
I was so happy when they decided not to use it anymore.
06-09-2008, 08:25 PM
#1695
I feel the need...
Originally Posted by biker
...hmmm.. maybe that's the point of this new grill theme...
smiley after each post when you are making standard observations. No comprende.
06-10-2008, 01:37 AM
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Originally Posted by Fibonacci
Dude, why do you use the smiley after each post when you are making standard observations. No comprende.
smiley after each post when you are making standard observations. No comprende.
gave me the idea.
06-10-2008, 05:16 AM
#1698
I miss my 03 CL-S :(
Originally Posted by LuvMyTSX
IMO, Subaru's grille was 100x worse than Acura's power plenum grille. I was so happy when they decided not to use it anymore.
I was so happy when they decided not to use it anymore.
06-10-2008, 07:07 AM
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Originally Posted by einsatz
Hey I'm with you. I was just saying that making something stand out isn't always a good move if it's not executed properly. OT: The new B9 Tribeca is actually a pretty good looking SUV, IMO.
Stand out by being ugly = bad (Acura)
06-10-2008, 10:29 AM
#1700
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Originally Posted by einsatz
OT: The new B9 Tribeca is actually a pretty good looking SUV, IMO.
But for the grill, the new TSX is typical Honda - elegantly bland with a dash of sportiness.
06-10-2008, 11:38 AM
#1702
Originally Posted by Mokos23
first time i've heard of "elegantly bland". isn't that 2 descriptions that are on the opposite ends of the spectrum?
06-10-2008, 01:19 PM
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Originally Posted by synth19
I finally saw the car in person the other day, from the outside... I LOVED IT.
06-10-2008, 08:33 PM
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I've now seen two on the road, both black, and both driven by attractive women 
Anyways, I too, think it looks GREAT! A SHIT ton more road presence, and an awesome combination of elegance & aggressiveness.
Anyways, I too, think it looks GREAT! A SHIT ton more road presence, and an awesome combination of elegance & aggressiveness.
06-10-2008, 09:17 PM
#1708
I think it looks great, it's just the details that are lacking. The brick pattern grille inserts where it should have been honey combed. The halogen taillights when it should've been LEDs.
And I love the girlle.
And I love the girlle.
06-10-2008, 09:19 PM
#1709
It's the interior that I can't stand. In the old TSX, even with the fake metal, you really couldn't tell at first glance. And even if you could, it was pretty convincing.
But in the new one, it's a no brainer. They definitely went cheap with that in the new one vs the old one.
But in the new one, it's a no brainer. They definitely went cheap with that in the new one vs the old one.
06-10-2008, 09:50 PM
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Originally Posted by phile
It's the interior that I can't stand. In the old TSX, even with the fake metal, you really couldn't tell at first glance. And even if you could, it was pretty convincing.
But in the new one, it's a no brainer. They definitely went cheap with that in the new one vs the old one.
But in the new one, it's a no brainer. They definitely went cheap with that in the new one vs the old one.
06-11-2008, 02:02 AM
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Even with the fake aluminum trim, I think the interior overall looks great for a car in that price range. Nicer than the 1G TSX which I think is great also. I like the gauges, but I like the Honda/Acura blue backlit gauges more. Very cool, doubt the new gauges are the same... are they?
06-11-2008, 02:13 AM
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Originally Posted by I Go To Costco
Even with the fake aluminum trim, I think the interior overall looks great for a car in that price range. Nicer than the 1G TSX which I think is great also. I like the gauges, but I like the Honda/Acura blue backlit gauges more. Very cool, doubt the new gauges are the same... are they?
06-23-2008, 04:31 PM
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IIHS Top Safety Pick
http://www.autoblog.com/2008/06/23/a...-pick-by-iihs/
While the last model (2005-2008 with side airbags) scored "good" in frontal, and "acceptable" in side impact testing, the 2009 model received the highest scores ("good") in both tests. When combined with the improved rear crash test results (seat and head restraint design), the new TSX earned the Institutes's "Top Safety Pick" rating.
10-29-2008, 09:50 PM
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It's just a rumor...
10-29-2008, 09:51 PM
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Article from Temple of Vtec...
Rumor: TSX diesel delayed indefinitely; V6 is coming, though
Earlier this year at the 2008 Detroit Auto Show, Honda CEO Takeo Fukui announced that 2009 would see Honda's first clean diesel engine to be sold in the USA. Though it was stated that the diesel engine would appear in an undisclosed Acura model, it was all but common knowledge that the TSX would be the first model to get the diesel engine.
Fast forward nearly 10 months, and we've received an anonymous tip asserting that the i-DTEC TSX has been delayed indefinitely (if not cancelled outright). According to the anonymous sources, the 6MT version of the i-DTEC TSX has successfully cleared emissions certification, but the automatic-equipped version has been unable to pass certification. According to these sources, Acura believes that the demand for a TSX diesel would be greatly compromised if it were only offered with a 6-speed manual, so the decision was allegedly made to put the TSX diesel on indefinite hold.
That's the bad news. The good news is that a V-6 version is said to be coming soon - it's supposedly being "fast-tracked" to make up for the missing diesel. We're still seeking any details we can uncover on that powertrain.
Earlier this year at the 2008 Detroit Auto Show, Honda CEO Takeo Fukui announced that 2009 would see Honda's first clean diesel engine to be sold in the USA. Though it was stated that the diesel engine would appear in an undisclosed Acura model, it was all but common knowledge that the TSX would be the first model to get the diesel engine.
Fast forward nearly 10 months, and we've received an anonymous tip asserting that the i-DTEC TSX has been delayed indefinitely (if not cancelled outright). According to the anonymous sources, the 6MT version of the i-DTEC TSX has successfully cleared emissions certification, but the automatic-equipped version has been unable to pass certification. According to these sources, Acura believes that the demand for a TSX diesel would be greatly compromised if it were only offered with a 6-speed manual, so the decision was allegedly made to put the TSX diesel on indefinite hold.
That's the bad news. The good news is that a V-6 version is said to be coming soon - it's supposedly being "fast-tracked" to make up for the missing diesel. We're still seeking any details we can uncover on that powertrain.