knight rider

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now if they would just make plans to remove two of the doors... I'd be all over that.

fsttyms1

But there really isnt that much difference in size. (the TSX is a porker now)

09 TSX
Wheelbase, in (mm) 106.6 (2705)
Track, in (mm) Front 62.3 (1580)
Rear 62.3 (1580)
Overall Length, in (mm) 186.2 (4726)
Overall Width, in (mm) 72.5 (1840)
Overall Height, in (mm) 56.7 (1440)
Curb weight (lb) without/with Tech. Package: AT 3470 / 3486 MT 3400 /3415
Weight distribution (% front/rear) AT 60 / 40
MT 59 / 41
Ground clearance (unladen), in (mm) 5.9 (150)
Maximum Seating Capacity 5
EPA Passenger Volume, cu.ft. 94.5

09 TL
Wheelbase, in (mm) 109.3 (2775)
Track, in (mm) 63.2 (1606) | FRONT
63.8 (1620) | REAR
Overall length, in (mm) 195.5 (4966)
Overall width, in (mm) 74.0 (1880)
Height (unladen), in (mm) 57.2 (1452)
Curb weight, starting, lb (kg) 3699 (1678) | TL 3948 (1791) | TL SH-AWD
Weight Distribution (% front / rear) 61 / 39 | TL
59 / 41 | TL SH-AWD

TommySalami

mm, true

CCColtsicehockey

they had to put a v6 in the tsx cause no one wants to own the new TL so the only way to have an acura with a v6 that is half decent looking is to put one in the TL.

krio

??

mclovintsx

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I think he meant to say tsx at the end. lol.

CCColtsicehockey

yup please excuse my typo.

JediMindTricks

but i have a hard time seeing it under 35k.

dom

Anyone else hoping for an all new DOHC 6 with a dual clutch tranny?





I can dream can't I.

chill_dog

So now the 2010 TSX = the 2004-2008 TL (engine, weight, size, etc.). That's progress for you...just like the Civic is now the size of an older Accord and the Accord is considered a large car. A V6 in the 1G TSX would've been perfect; a V6 in the 2G is necessary just to move the portly vehicle it's become.

CGTSX2004

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I'll skip the dual clutch tranny in favor of a 6-speed manual with an LSD, thank you very much...

Honestly, after seeing the new TL, the second generation TSX is starting to look a whole lot better. Still not great, but better than it did before.

(Cj)

I completely agree. Both the TSX and TL have grown far too much, and the TSX is so heavy and big now a V6 or turbo should have been standard (like the competition). TSX now is the same as TL and the TL is now the RL and the RL is now redundant. Soon Acura is gonna need a sub-TSX vehicle (an A3 type vehicle would be welcome or a compact coupe like the 1 series).

JediMindTricks

the lineup is a mess, and it does appear that the TSX will now be the new TL, the TL will be the new RL. so i wonder if acura plans on making the new RL even bigger to compete with the LS, S, etc. it just seems disjointed and lacking any guidance.

and with the increase in engine and size for the TSX, watch acura bring back the RSX before a coupe. talk about advance.

Fishy

No, that is just the horsepower one-up-man-ship thats been going on in the industry for decades.

North American cars are getting bigger because Americans are getting fatter: about 10lbs over the last decade or so. Euro models aren't sold here because they are not designed for the extra lard.

TommySalami

Yeah man, I hate how cars always grow in size with each new model, especially because I love small cars

Moog-Type-S

Oh Acura

You finally get around to putting some power in the TSX....and you decide to put a V6 under the hood.........just as the gas prices are starting to rise.

Good luck selling them when the car market is dead combined with fuel prices headed North...again.

How 'bout a 4cyl turbo?.....

biker

Like I said in many other threads - don't believe anything anyone says till you the car in the showroom.

Even something as simple as Obama's change on emissions standards may kill the V6 in the TSX.

dom

Its a smart move. The 4 cylinder car isn't going anywhere so fuel conscious customers have an option. And its not as though a whole lot of R&D is going into this so costs should be held to a minimum.

Moog-Type-S

The business is about selling cars.....and in this climate of dead sales and fuel prices heading North.....it's not the most brilliant of moves.

Sure, they already had those "old" V6's lying around....and since it's an Accord it was an easy swap, but is a V6 TSX going to sell in this market?

...and then when the customer compares the cost of the V6 TSX to the V6 Accord Sedan.....What then?


My guess is that Acura is in desparate need to sell/market a V6 sedan that "might" sell.

Clearly the RL is a mess.
Clearly the TL is an abortion.

dom

TSX fans and haters have been asking for a 6 for 5+ years now. They are listening and IMO it will sell. Keep the numbers in mind. They only sell 40K TSX's a year. If they get that number to 50K (30 4's and 20 6's) its likely a success.



Havn't customers been doing that since April 2003? The TSX has been more expensive than the 4 cylinder AND 6 cylinder Accords from day one. Hasn't hurt it much if at all. They've done a pretty good job distinguishing the 2.


But like Biker said, I'll believe it when I see it in showrooms.

Moog-Type-S

...but this is 2009....EVERYTHING is different now.

dom

And automakers are still selling cars with 6 cylinder engines. In fact MB and BMW don't sell anything with less. (Not counting diesels until recently)

fsttyms1

DOHC.... It would be awesome to get rid of the ol J32 and finally get a new version.

Moog-Type-S

Let's not get crazy and start comparing Acura to Benz and Bimmers


Truth be told, the recent trend is economy over power.....and for the near future this will hold true. I think this is why Acura did pretty much nothing with the TSX powerplant. They knew that they needed MPG in the lineup.

...but now their entire line-up is slipping away due to the ugliness disease that Honda seems to have caught lately.....so they are doing what they can to sell vehicles.

Throwing a V6 into the TSX is a Hail Mary move IMHO.

yohan81718

ugliness disease indeed

Mokos23

come on acura, if you had a V6 with SH-AWD and sell it for $35,500 or 36,000 I will be trading in my 04 TSX. but, at $36,000 it will be approaching G37x sedan territory, so that might be difficult.

dom

Point is 6 cylinders aren't being cut out of lineups. So adding one in low volumes won't really have a negative impact.

Hell, a V6 TSX just might get me in for a test drive.

Along with a painted grille, nicer wheels and that sport bumper as standard equipment.

phile

Give me a V6 TSX without SH-AWD any day.

Mokos23

that's your opinion, but i prefer to have the option of a V6 TSX with FWD and one with SH-AWD.

GreenMonster

TSX already weighs 3500 lbs (ok, 3470lbs or so)... Adding the V6 is going to make it even more portly... I guess that's the trade off for progress

Crazy Bimmer

I have no interest in a 4banger even if it does have a turbo. In a semi-luxury car i demand a V6 or higher.

dom

Exactly why it will never see SH-AWD. Add 150lbs for the V6 and its 3650. Or about 400lbs more than the original.

(Cj)

After the weight gain of the TSX a V6 should have been standard. The current I4 isn't "that" efficient. I think the V6 VCM Accord has higher highway numbers. If the TSX had the old Accord's J30 engine tuned for premium gas, it could have had the same efficiency as the current highly compressed K24 plus 50 more horsepower and torque. The J35 could have been optional for a higher spec model or even the old Accord Hybrid's system (which if tuned for performance could easily make 270 hp). But hey that's just a thought.

TommySalami

As well as making it even more front heavy

Moog-Type-S

Well it's no secret that the big lux makers are looking into 4 cyl once again...it seems like Acura is swimming up stream....but then again that is nothing new.

Well if that's all it takes to get you into the dealer.....Acura has a winner!

Brandon24pdx

I don't see how a V6 TSX would be much different than a 3G TL.

Maybe they'll do something quasi-cool like they did with the 6spd 3G TL's by ninja adding LSD and front Brembo braking system to give the performance enthusiasts something besides the bigger engine to pine for

Crazy Bimmer

Who are?

I havent heard of any rumors coming from BMW, Infiniti, Benz, etc that they plan to add a 4 cylinder option in their luxury line for the U.S

chill_dog

^I thought I read Benz was looking at adding a four cylinder.

Crazy Bimmer

Only the turbo diesel versions i think.

Moog-Type-S

BMW
http://blogs.automobilemag.com/62968...ide/index.html