iforyou

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ya, that's ridiculous....

Edward'TLS

I sense a similarity between the overpriced $50K RL and the also-overpriced V6 TSX. It is fortunate that there is still the cheaper 4-cylinder TSX to make up for the sales figure.

JD23

The pricing of the V6 TSX may be some perverse way of increasing FWD TL sales.

dom

I look at it the other way around. I don't see a reason to but a TL over a TSX with the same power train. TL =

dom

Rumored pricing pulled from the TOV forums.

I can't see how they can justify a $5,540 price hike for the V6.

LuvMyTSX

I think part of their reasoning for the price is because this TSX basically replaces the 3G TL, which had similar pricing. The TL-S was about $38k.

Colin mentioned in the TSX forum that it might also be due to having to ship the V6 engines to Japan, and then shipping the finished car back to the US, creating increased production/shipping costs.

IMO, this, combined with Acura's desires to move upmarket, have increased the prices. Acura is no longer the clear value winner by a large margin like they used to be.

LuvMyTSX

dom

But the TL-S is no longer around. All shoppers have to look at and compare to is the current line up.

Whatever the reason(s). Do it right or don't do it at all. No way in hell I pay 40K+ for a V6 TSX. A 2.5-3K premium would have been reasonable. I'm looking at this from a different perspective anyway. Honda and Acura's are already overpriced compared to the competition in Canada (Honda more so) So this is just more of the same for me.

tsxgoogs

FWD sucks hard, no point on adding that much torque/hp it needs awd or rwd, however that would seriously cut into tl sales. I would have been satisfide with the 2.4 turbo.

dom

The 2.3L Turbo has more torque than the 3.5. Same problem

Sly Raskal

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Audi did the same, and realized afterwards that it didn't work. More 2.0T sold than the V6 because the jump in power wasn't enough to justify the price (~$5K) difference. Acura should have used that as the reason NOT to do this, but what can you do, Acura is simply trying to live up to their "Acura Advance" campagin.

@ projected MSRP. For that price it better have some kick ass tech gadgets.

dom

But the 2.4L in the TSX is down 85 lb-ft on the Audi 2.0L and 82 lb-ft on the 3.5. It was torque in the 2.0L that made the 3.2 unnecessary. I bet Acura won't have that problem with the two. But that price won't help things.

dom

According to TOV, pricing is finalized.
http://www.vtec.net/news/news-item?news_item_id=835297

Wow.

I have no issue with the price equally or overlapping a higher model but you typically have things that differentiate the 2 cars. What exactly does the TSX offer over the TL to justify the same price? Just when you thought Acura couldn't screw it up any further.....

Moog-Type-S

Almost 38k for a TSX

Sly Raskal

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The torque difference on the new revised TFSI 2.0T and the current V6 was only realized when the B8 A4 was released, but Audi had already known of the decreased sales of the V6 model A3 and A4 prior to the B8's release. IMHO, I think they planned long before the TFSI 2.0T was released to rid themselves of the v6 model.

It really was a no brainer to simply increase the tune on the 2.0T to give it more power and can the v6. There's no reason Acura shouldn't do the same with the K series turbo, as long as they can get rid of the horrible turbo lag on their setup. I questioned the need for a V6 when I was making the jump from the CL-S to the A4, and now that I only own two 4 cylinder vehicles that are fun to drive and get good mileage makes me feel that v6's really are useless in many situations when you can have a 4 cylinder that performs at the same level. Some of my friends still don't agree and believe it's all about having more cylinders.

GetAcura

They plan on aggressively pricing the new 6 cyl TSX. Ive driven a few 4cyls and one with the manual. The V6 is going to be very nice at a great price!

dom

If I add $5,540 to Canadian prices (probably more) We're looking at 46K for a TSX. I'm not sure if I should or

Edit: Make that $47,500 I forget freight and PDI

dom

Have you read the thread?

TSX 'R' US

Acura

Sly Raskal

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Will there be any exterior changes between the V6 model and 2.4L?

Moog-Type-S

You would hope so for that much of a price increase...but don't hold your breath. At best you get a "V6" badge.

LuvMyTSX

It seems high at first, but the previous TL-S was $38k. This car basically replaces it, so I can sort of see why the price is what it is.

I can't recall, though, what other features did the TL-S have that this V6 TSX won't? I think it had an LSD, but what else? LOL, I can't remember.

Anyway, what I'm getting at is people paid $38k for a TL-S, and this car isn't that much different, from what I can remember. I think we are all used to the TSX being the cheaper entry level choice, but now that it has a V6 available, it's at 3G TL prices.

I'm not saying I like the price, but it's not THAT ridiculous.

LuvMyTSX

18 inch wheels and bigger brakes is all, I think.

Sly Raskal

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AHHH yes, the standard Acura formula. Where's the a-spec badge going to be placed.

Arcticcl9

Bear in mind these are MSRP, actual selling prices at dealers might vary. V6 TSXs will be pretty limited and somewhat high demand, so people might be paying close to MSRP initially. Although if I had waited for the V6, it will still be outside my budget for a new car however.

Moog-Type-S

High demand

Arcticcl9

more accurately "pent-up" demand. I know a friend who is waiting to get this for a couple of months now, and will probably get the V-6 tech. I showed him the pricing and he did not flinch. Actual demand will be seen at the dealers, and how the salesmen play with this new model. If they mark it down $1-2k under MSRP, people will buy it over the TL.

Moog-Type-S

Demand in the entire auto-market is very, very low.

With inflation and commodities prices on the rise, I see down the road the V6 TSX will be in less demand than the 4 banger.

CGTSX2004

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At those prices, there are too many comparable or even, dare I say, better cars (and certainly more attractive cars).

And without the manual transmission and LSD, they are missing some of the biggest selling points of the TL-S.

chill_dog

Well, it looks significantly better and weighs less.

civicdrivr

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x2.

I was really considering it when the rumors were flying about the V6 and a possible 6MT. Now that the 6MT isnt even offered, theres no point. Id much rather save $7k and get an Accord

dom

Neither factor into why the price is about the same.

dom

Temple of Vtec is reporting a 25% V6 and 75% 4 banger production split.

dom

Strike 1 - Grille
Strike 2 - No MT
Strike 3 - Price

JD23

Based on the difference in weight between the Accord 4 cylinder and V6, it is projected that the V6 TSX will be within 100 lbs. of the FWD TL. The TL uses some weight saving materials that the TSX does not.

JD23

That was my point when I said earlier that the pricing of the V6 TSX might be a perverse way of increasing sales of the FWD TL, which is likely the more profitable car given that is manufactured in the US.

I think the extremely poor dollar/yen exchange rate is one of the things that has pushed the price of the V6 TSX to an unreasonably high level. In another thread, someone speculated that the 3.5L V6 is being manufactured in the US and then shipped to Japan for the manufacture of the rest of the car. If this is the case, I would imagine that the cost structure of the V6 TSX is adversely affected.

jlukja

+ 1

Wonder how much of that is the devaluation of the $ vs. yen.

dom

Colin said that and I'm sure he has a point. But that's their problem. Customer's who go into the dealer won't care whats shipped where. So your original point may be valid.

Yumcha

@ pricing...

Edward'TLS

If this is the case, then bring the TSX production line over to North America. We here need jobs, we need lots and lots of jobs. In addition, it would also bring down the cost of the V6 TSX to a more reasonable and realistic level.