oonowindoo

how does the V6 FWD TLX compare to your Accord?

Ken1997TL

My Accord is a four cylinder. But I've owned an '05 TL as well.

It didn't feel nose-heavy, understeer was minimal. You can push the car quite a bit in corners in 'Sport+' mode.

The IDS selection for the different modes is a 'must try' feature. Just like the CR-Z, it totally changes the character of the vehicle. The automatic downshifting when braking is nice, the PAWS system helps the car around corners almost imperceptibly. It drives like a much lighter FWD car

I was impressed.

oonowindoo

interesting... very different than most of the reviews so far about the V6.

Ken1997TL

I'm going out on a limb here but I'll assume these journalists didn't try Sport or Sport+.

iforyou

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Is this similar?
http://owners.acura.com/acuralink/nextgeneration


I'm guessing that the TLX V6 FWD is actually not a bad car to drive as well. It's just that compared to the I4 model and AWD trims, the V6 FWD trim is not as fun. But not as fun does not mean it's a bad car to drive.

sstfnv

Just traded in my 2012 TSX for a 2.4L with Tech. So far I like it very much

oonowindoo

good first post.


How does it drive compare to your TSX?

sstfnv

Feels more refined, lighter, and slightly faster. The only downside is that the steering is a little light and feels kind of disconnected compared to my tsx. Its also a lot more quieter.

Hapa DC5

RPhilMan1

Did you pay sticker or were you able to negotiate a bit?

sstfnv

I definitely didn't pay sticker on it. Not sure what the exact number for the car is because of the trade in. I told them what I'm willing to pay as monthly payment for 60 months and after 2 hours negotiations I left and they called me later that they can give me the deal that I wanted. Somehow they made it work and l'm real happy with the deal

Belzebutt

Well...? Let's have a detailed review.

Berginyon8

People love talking trash about Acura. Ironically a lot of them also post on Acura forums.
I can't help but think that a lot of these people bashing Acura are doing it because it's somewhat justified but also because they have moved on to other brands.

If you notice most people that bash Acura and claim to be 'fans' of the brand are now driving a Lexus,BMW,Mercedes,or Audi. It's easier to bash your former brand because it justifies the Brand you are currently driving.

I also find it laughable when someone driving a Lexus GS or BMW 3 series will say things like 'if the Acura brand proves itself etc etc' 'I will come back'

Trust me. You're not coming back regardless. Lmao.

Sarlacc

Many of us moved on to other brands because Acura lost its way and no longer offers us anything we want in a vehicle. And they have yet to come back around and do so.

There is NO car in the Acura line up I would want over another brand...pure and simple. But there was a time when they did offer cars I would have taken in heart beat because of the design/features/quality...the full package.

Too many other makers compete too well and Acura's design has gone to shit, imo...even the TLX isn't something that makes me jump up and down. Just because its their best design in years doesn't mean its a great one.

They don't even know what company they are...are they sport? and they luxury? are they entry level luxury? are they sport luxury? We used to know who they were...they don't even know anymore.

It has nothing to do with justifying whatever current vehicles we own. I've owned a lot of other brands and I don't bash them because I still find them relevant in today's market.

ttribe

All of us who've been here for years, but moved on to another brand, can leave the board now. New guy has spoken and revealed that we are all just "talking trash."

AZuser

So if you don't currently own/drive an Acura, then you cannot be a legitimate "fan" and therefore cannot say anything unpleasant about the brand?

Why would an Acura "fan" buy an Acura if he didn't like anything in the lineup? Is it just so he can have the pleasure of saying "I own and drive an Acura and I absolutely do no like it."?

Can you be any more obtuse?

skd2k1

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kurtatx

You have seen the Shawshank Redemption, I see. Congratulations

I get what you're saying with the cars and fandom and whatnot and as a sports fan I agree, but why throw an insult? You realize how much it discredits you when you call him stupid?

Hapa DC5

I want that 707HP Acura Charger.

AZuser

I'm not calling him stupid. What I meant by being obtuse was that Berginyon8 couldn't comprehend how "Lexus, BMW, Mercedes, or Audi" owners could possibly be legitimate Acura fans since they didn't own one.

Would you prefer I use absurd instead? How about imperceptive? Dense? Thick? Silly?

It's like him saying we can't be true Ferrari, Lamborghini, Pagani, Aston Martin, etc fans since we don't own one.

oonowindoo

Once in a while we get someone like you who joined the forum 5 mins ago and start making judgement.

why would i WANT to bash my former brand to justify my current brand??
and trust you? that i am not coming back regardless??

Who the fuck are you?

Teh Jatt

He might be new but he does have a point.

Btw, so you have the right to curse at him cuz you're an older member?

oonowindoo

I don't think there is a rule saying i don't have the right to curse.


There are many new members here (check the other threads), we (I) welcome them and their opinions, regardless if we agree with them or not.

But if you join the site and the first post is like that without really reading what we have been posting. Then i will offer the same rudeness as return.

No one is here is "bashing" Acura, There is a difference between blindly bashing a brand without any reason and criticizing a brand or particular models (ILX, TL, RLX, pretty much everything Acura has other than SUVs) with proven sales failures.

after many years of disappointment, i think it is natural for most of the people here to be skeptical about any new models Acura offers now.

In his case, he mentioned people who drive Lexus and BMW (i believe only 2 of us). If Acura had a RWD coupe/sedan, 6mt, 300+hp, then i will first be in line (even if it looks like the 4G TL, i said that a few pages back)

I am even considering a Dodge as my BMW replacement right now. so what the fuck does he know if we will return or not.

Yah that is a good way to introduce yourself, maybe in subsection but not in Cartalk.

Costco

I think Acura sucks.

Come at me brah!!!

biker

:ibtl:

skd2k1

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familiarity breeds contempt. I came to acura from bmw a few years ago. my family has owned well over 15 bmw's over the years. my dad raced bmw's for years and was a driving instructor. I grew up going to the track on weekends, changing tires and turning wrenches on those cars.

I didn't like the direction the company was going, so I bailed...along with everyone else in my fam. it's easy to talk crap about bmw bc I knew them so well. when they changed the brand (bigger/heavier cars, more luxury amenities, chris bangle styling, etc) I felt alienated.

I know now that it was nothing personal on bmw's part, they're just trying to sell cars and their target audience wasn't folks like me. the same is true with acura, they're just trying to sell cars. learn to appreciate them for what they are. acura/honda primarily uses fwd platform, they've never offered best in class power, but they are reliable and nimble cars with a good value.

kurtatx

For all the crap I give the guys on here sometimes, they tend to be brutally honest.

I own a TSX. Before that I owned an A4. I have always wanted a BMW, and if it weren't for the reliability questions (my wife was not thrilled with my A4 experience), I would likely own a 3 series now. I have no doubt I will eventually drive one when I have a little bit more capital.

The point is: Don't be surprised if some of these posters do go back, as the car industry often changes. BMW's recent decisions have certainly been head scratchers (why at FWD?), and the guys here have been more than critical.

Teh Jatt

krio

I agree. I owned 1 Audi A4 and than the 3G TL: the TL was a zillion time more desirable and good looking than the A4. And it's still the most beloved car I have ever owned. Then the Subaru Forester 2.5T: a lot of crap. Than the MDX '08. Great SUV: I miss it very much. But I cannot deny the Audi A6 3.0T, '12 is the best car I have ever owned (overall quality, interior and so on). Sure: I will not come back for the moment to the Acura brand. And I'm disappointed, as many guys here. But I still love it! And, who knows? The TLX is the first little step in the right direction. Let's see what will happen next...

LiQiCE

I own a Honda still - does that allow me to complain about Acura? I owned an Acura until 3 weeks ago when I sold my 2003 TL-S. I waited 12 years for something to come out that I really wanted to replace my 2003 TL (my 2G TL was too new to replace with the 3G TL, in retrospect maybe I should have bought a 3G TL-S) - I was all set to get a 4G TL until I saw them and really didn't like the way it looked. Even the 2012 refresh wasn't enough. Then I waited hoping MY2014 would bring a new TL and nothing happened - then I saw the TLX concept and decided to wait for a TLX, but ultimately with all the delays and then researching other cars I got tired of waiting and having also had experience with Toyota/Lexus I went there ..

Don't see what the big deal is. I still love my 2003 TL-S, but I couldn't find an Acura I liked to replace it. Maybe that makes me not a fan of the current Acura car lineup - but my dad owned a 1G Legend Coupe 5 speed that he drove forever, I've always loved the Prelude, Integra and RSX - of course the NSX and I still love my S2000.

But being a fan imho doesn't mean blindly loving everything they do. I think a lot of people would agree the Honda Crosstour and ZDX were not exactly fan favorites. And as an owner of an Acura just a few weeks ago - I would certainly come back to Acura. I'm actually considering buying an Acura MDX for my wife.

charliemike

When I joined this forum in 2001, I desperately wanted a CL Type-S. Unfortunately, Acura killed it.before I could buy a new one. By the time I could afford one, I had moved on to other, newer cars. The 3G TL never really got me passionate like the CL-S and nothing since then has even come close.

I joined her 12 years ago. There are a lot of people here who. Joined before that. We left Acura because they picked into something we no longer recognize.

The idea that someone has to own something to be able to criticize it is ridiculous. The blind, fanatical loyalty to a brand says a lot about the individual who is not capable of rationally discussing an idea.

MTEAZY

Everyone who compliments my CL tells me they don't like the new models.

I don't get how a company like Mazda can keep making Miatas while the Acura bean counters won't allow a single coupe.

Ken1997TL

The next new Acura IS a coupe. That's all I know.

Edward'TLS

^^^^^

nsx ?

2007TL-TypeS

Well does Berginyon have a point here or not? I think he does have a very good point. As a matter of fact people do it all the time when justifying a particular product over another.

jwong77

I currently own a Mercedes, BMW and an Acura, I choose to bash Acura when they deserve it. With the case of the TLX, no bashing seems deserved. But there was a 5 year span there where they really did deserve some serious bashing.

2007TL-TypeS

Whatever mishaps Acura did for the last 5 years does not change the fact that the new tlx is a great car and a step in the right direction for the company. Personally i think its funny that these guys are bashing the car based solely on pics and stat sheets, despite numerous reviews claiming otherwise, plus personal accounts of how the car actually looks in real life.

fsttyms1

So they arent entitled to an opinion? Do they really have to see it in person to like it? I think most are more than capable of making a decision on what they see. IF it doesnt appeal to them in the least in pictures odds are its not going to change much in person. Just because one chooses to "bash" doesnt mean they dont like the brand or still hold out hope that the brand may make something that they someday will.

Personally I think the TLX is going to do well. It has a lot of features/content for the price. I like the car. I dont "Love" the looks, Its Bland, they disappointed me (and others) with how much they dumbed it down from the prototype they teased us with, and i dont like the direction, or lack there of that they are currently going. I often bash them, I am a very hard critic of them. That doesnt mean i dont like them or dont want to own another own the road. Is it wrong to "Want" something more of a brand? Oh, and i do still currently own an Acura, its going on 600k miles.

Yumcha

Great post.

Yumcha

To some of the newer participants of this thread, you need to know that AcuraZine is somewhat neat in the fact that many of the original members who joined because they were Acura owners still stick around due to the friendships and camaraderie of this e-community.

A good number of these individuals are also car fans and know a wealth of knowledge about cars (i.e. maintaining, tuning, modding). Sure, there is certainly the odd duck who gets "blinded" by the stupid badge of their latest/greatest "toy" but those are rare and often, outed by the regulars anyhow...So, when there is a vocal percentage of the population that is seemingly perpetually tossing tomatoes at Acura, it is not personal. It's just that well, we (me included) are disappointed at what the brand has become.

The competition has since passed Honda's prestige brand IMO. When cars back then could be said in the same breath as some of the competition or the fact the NSX was built to piss off FERRARI (Ferrari!), times have certainly changed as Acura's aim is no longer as high.