LiQiCE

I don't find it ironic at all because that would suggest that the TLX is a sport model - despite the "red carpet athlete" and all of the talk about sportiness, I don't think the TLX's aim is sport. Its almost as if as Lexus adds more passion and sport to their lineup (just look at the new RC-F), Acura is trying to remove it

kurtatx

I agree with you on this and I hate that Honda/Acura thinks chrome is sporty. It's not. Chrome is something Chevy adds to its cars to make them not look like horse manure. I have Chrome and the only reason I do is because my wife wanted the car to be red.

Edward'TLS

SSFTSX always has this firm belief that aftermarket tires can even resurrect a cripple car from it's death.

ttribe

Yes, but there's already a built-in excuse for why the inevitable crappy 0-60 times are not best-in-class! It's genius!

H_CAR

Nothing you can really get in the price range. The 328 is arguably more fun to drive than the 335i, too. It's all about the weight on the front end. I don't think it's a deal breaker.

This could have lead to less praise for the TLX SH-AWD. Limited time with the car. We will see later (or you could test that one) I think the TLX definitely drives better than the TL SH-AWD:

"On the twisties, we didn't have a lot of opportunities to fully flesh out the system due to slow moving traffic, but the few times I was able to push a little harder, it felt similar to the previous generation SH-AWD system in that it felt like you had to overdrive the car a bit to get the maximum effect of the SH-AWD system."

TLX 3.5L SH-AWD
"We were generally quite impressed with this version of the TLX"

"For those who loved the 3rd generation TL (and the 4th-gen TL SH-AWD 6MT), the TLX V6 brings new highs in refinement, efficiency, and driving enjoyment."

That was taken from TOVs review. They liked the car regardless of its (few) flaws

oonowindoo

The buyers in the $46k range is not the same as the buyers for the entry level $30k range.

at $30k you have buyers asking for bargain. For people who can afford a $46k before taxes will definitely looking at cars at $50k and even $55k.

Yes those cars might not be as well equipped as a fully loaded TLX AWD but the brand itself is such a big factor in that price range that TLX MUST be great car for the buyers to overlook the brand itself.

I can see the problem that TLX SHAWD will face already:

you have the enthusiasts looking at the TLX SHAWD because of the performance: Based on the review, it is just so so and the 9AT does not help

and you will have these buyers that know nothing about cars and they will get a base model 528i, E350, 328, 320 or whatever in that price range before even considering TLX SHAWD.

on the other hand at $30k TLX does offer a lot and you will get the same type but different level brand whores that will ditch V6 accord for 4 banger TLX.

i think at the end it really does not matter for TLX since most of sales will come from 4 bangers anyways. But sucks for us.

ttribe

It is? Not, in my opinion.

jwong77

Seriously, I've owned a 328 for the last five years,and while its a great car, I'd laugh at anyone who would consider it more fun than a 335. Some of these defenders of everything honda, just can't help themselves.

EhkoXC

You know that was pretty much the general consensus of the F30 when it came out among the auto press, right? Nope, must just be the Honda fanbois!

Based on what I've seen in these reviews though, Acura needs to get the 2.0T ready to go immediately. A 2.0T SH-AWD sounds like it would be an instant home run if it was priced right.

For now though, I have to hand it to them, they hit a home run with the TLX, they just can't sit back and admire their work. The rumbles I've heard from TOV, which are usually pretty spot on, is that the RLX is next on the list cars to "fix."

fsttyms1

I guess i have a different view of fun than some. Sure it may be more fun to toss around because if its weight advantage over the v6 (which is something they could have done something about with a little time tuning the suspension) but if it cant get out of its own way due to just over 200 hp i wouldnt call that fun. I want to put my foot down and have that power and torque coming out of a corner, something the 4cyl cant achieve. I dont want to have to drive it like i stole it to enjoy 6/10s driving. If Acura really wanted to make this car "Athletic" they should have made the SH-AWD V6 the same way, or at min i truly hope they have a model in the works with a more potent V6 mated to the SH-AWD for those that want the v6 power+ and SH-AWD.

alex2364

F30 328 is completely different from the E90 328. It's been the general consensus that the F30 328 handles better than 335 because of less weight over the front tires.

LiQiCE

This might only apply right now while the TLX is selling for MSRP, but using truecar.com (and I find their prices a little high), a 2014 IS350 AWD F-Sport is $46,904 using my zip code in Northern Virginia.

Delete the F-Sport package which the TLX doesn't have an equivalent too (unless you want to say the $1800 Bodykit is equivalent) and you're looking at $43,976 - cheaper than the TLX SH-AWD Advance - although without some of the extra features (but while they might be 'cool', for a driving enthusiast, do you really need Lane keep assist?).

Just saying - at that price range you may not be able to afford a German 6 cylinder, but you can afford the Lexus 306hp V6 and a RWD biased AWD system.

RPhilMan1

2014 Lexus IS350 AWD F-Sport | 2015 Acura TLX SH-AWD V6

3.5L V6 @ 306hp/277lb-ft | 3.5L V6 @ 290hp/267lb-ft

$45,750 | $44,700 with Advance Package

6-speed automatic | 9-speed automatic

5.7 seconds 0-60mph | 6? seconds 0-60mph

19mpg city/26mpg highway/21mpg combined | 21mpg city/31mpg highway/25mpg combined

183.7" length/71.3" width/56.3" height/110.2" wheelbase | 190.3" length/73.0" width/57" height/109.3" wheelbase

13.8 cu ft trunk capacity | 13.2 cu ft without Advance Package/14.3 cu ft with Advance Package

3737lbs curb weight | 3774lbs with Adv Pkg/3748lbs with Tech Pkg

44.8" F/32.2" R legroom | 42.6" F/34.5" R leg room

38.2" F/36.9" R headroom | 37.2" F/36.7" R leg room

17.4gal fuel tank capacity | 17.2gal fuel tank capacity

Predator | Beak

AZuser

For now, I'd call it a double.

If sales are strong, then I'd call it a home run.

JS + XES

iTrader: (1)

Come on man.

Torque. Do you think they have experienced it?

dom

How is this car a Home Run. All these good reviews aren't going to change Acura's image. Reviews don't get most people into the showroom. Lets settle down and wait for a few months of sales results before calling it a Home Run.

hddnav

Based on the reviews, the TLX 4-cylinder is a home run as a TSX replacement. Its strengths seems to be along the lines of a high-revving, low-torque, go-cart, lightweight 4-door tossable entry level sedan, much like the Integras and Civics. I would expect a lot of Fast and Furious street racer kids to be highly aroused by the 4-cylinder. Unfortunately, ownership by people from this demographics may actually push Acura more downmarket, not upmarket.

However, it's not so clear that the V6 SHAWD TLX is a home run as a 4G TL SHAWD replacement, as reviews seem to suggest that the TLX is s reduced-size luxo cruiser that has lost it's sporting edge. Why have a compact sedan that's not a driver's car?

To be sure, both the 4 and 6 cylinder cars are improvements over the outgoing models, simply just for being newer designs with more modern technology by the same company. However, their appeal may be primarily to existing traditional Honda owners. I hope I'm wrong, though.

Nexx

the SH-AWD TLX has gotten good feed back. its the fwd v6 thats being egged on, not because its horrible its just the 4 cylinder is that much better.

AZuser

It's a solid replacement for the out-going TSX. But that still doesn't make it a home run. But if you're comparing it to an Integra and Civic and referring to it as an "entry level sedan," then I can kind of see where you're coming from.

FYI... the TLX wasn't designed to be an "entry level sedan, much like the Integras and Civics." It was designed to be a "red carpet athlete" (i.e. luxurious and sporty).

iforyou

iTrader: (1)

Time to make that DCT to be compatible with SH-AWd and more torque....

I suspect the TLX is probably too small for you if you opted for a GS instead.

I think Acura has to be patient. The TLX so far is receiving great reviews from almost every car journalist. Let's see how the car does in the market first. Right now, the biggest obstacle is not the car itself, but the overall brand image. This is probably the major factor that is holding Acura back from stealing customers from other brands or win back previous owners. This is where patience and continuous improvement become important. If TLX becomes a success, Acura needs to build on that momentum. For instance, fix the RLX, fix the ILX, launch Type S trims, etc. If Acura is able to follow up, then may be the brand image might improve, and may be is the keyword.

For sure a buyer in the $30k market is different than a buyer looking at a $46k vehicle.

But then I don't think H Car was specifically talking about the top trim of the TLX. He is only referring to the TLX SH-AWD which to be fair starts at $41.5k with the tech pkg. A buyer in the $40k range would be different than a buyer looking at a $50k car I'd imagine?

At $41k, you are looking at a slightly loaded 328i or decently loaded 320i, etc. I mean what you said would still apply, at $40k, probably most folks would simply go for a a decently loaded 320i or a slightly loaded 328i just for the brand name.

EhkoXC

And yet all of you saying things like this would be the first in line to start throwing stones if the reviews were negative.

The truth is they made a good car that stacks up well against the competition at a lower price. Good reviews do matter, just as much as bad reviews do.

oonowindoo

You have to keep in mind that we are the buyers and Acura is the seller. So Acura needs to prove it to us, not the other way around.

So negative review = instant death for most of us

good review = well, we are still skeptical based on its history and let's be honest, while all the supplemental amenities sound very good (sound insulation, 8 Dct and etc...) the most important 2 categories: Exterior and Engine are still Blah

now if the car had a home run exterior and new engine (Put DI in the J35 and K24 is not considered new to me) and with great reviews. then yah we will shut up and go pick 1 up ourselves. (some of us will)

Remember, Currently good is not good enough for Acura, they need to make cars that are GREAT/Better than everyone else's to hit the home run they need.

oonowindoo

i understand what you are trying to say but calling it no other options at 40-50k range is just not true.

RLX FWD can be had for $50k, it offers Soo much more than its competitors at $50k but yet people are still willing to spend $5k, $10k even $20k more to get its direct competitors.

this effect is less dramatic for $40k-$50k market but same rule still can apply because these are the future $50k $60k car buyers in a few years.

For example $42k TLX AWD base, vs $43k 335i base. 80% of the standard features on TLX are standard on 335i or IS350 or C400. You add a few thousands, 335i M sport/IS350 F sport will have more than $42k TLX SHAWD base. So when you put other things like image, free maintenance, better engine and etc... into consideration. You will see there are plenty of options out there at that price range.

Legend2TL

Where's Moog been? Is he OK and just taking a break?
Haven't seen any posting for sometime.

MuGen7Modulo

Dudes!
Saw and drove the car today! Very impressed!
New advise / homework for all silly regulars in here: stop posting your whines and go test drive the car!
Then come back in here and share some realistic feedback...

JS + XES

iTrader: (1)

Uh.

MuGen7Modulo

Pretty sure he drove the car and now he feels sorry for all the time waisted in here with nonsense negativism... lol

JS + XES

iTrader: (1)

Oh shut up.

Nobody is really hating on it. Some can be more critical on it, but if you actually open your eyes and read others' posts, you can tell people are giving positive feedback along with the reviews.

I hate to be the one to say it, but your attitude irks a lot of members in most of the threads you post in. Learn to adapt. Try to be normal. Post like a sane person.

See what I'm saying?

Legend2TL

oonowindoo

More importantly, are you going to trade in your Accord for 1?

LiQiCE

Is the beak really shiny chrome like it looks in that picture?

All of the pictures I've seen make it look more like a flat silver, but it looks very reflective in your pic.

oonowindoo

That is the optional Sports Trim package.i see Palm trees in the beak.

oonowindoo

The more i look at it, the more it looks like a 4G TL minus the headlight and foglight.

MuGen7Modulo

Planning to do that in a couple of years, I still like my car even if is 10 years old and now that is all Mugen. I have in mind the top of line Accord but at MMC, I like TLX but not first year production and some sort of RLX might be in the picture too. I need interior space, tall person here.

Oddly, the interior layout/finishes resembles the 03-07 Accord a little.

Let's call it "Acura crossbar" has that hyper silver finish and the grille contour has the mirror chrome one. Pretty sure when the TLX Hybrid comes out they'll use the dark hyper silver like in RLXh.

I wish they were palm trees but this is in Chicago area.

LiQiCE

They're actually not that far off. It is surprising when you look at the dimensions.

TLX (I used SH-AWD Advanced) versus GS350 AWD
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Front head room
37.2 in. versus 38.0 in.
Front hip room
55.3 in. versus 54.5 in.
Front leg room
42.6 in. versus 42.3 in.
Front shoulder room
57.5 in. versus 57.3 in.
Rear hip Room
54.9 in. versus 54.1 in.
Rear head room
36.7 in. versus 37.8 in.
Rear leg room
34.5 in. versus 36.8 in.
Rear shoulder room
55.4 in. versus 55.7 in.
Width
73.0 in. versus 72.4 in.
Height
57.0 in. versus 57.3 in.
Length
190.3 in. versus 190.7 in.
Front track
62.8 in. versus 62.0 in.
Rear track
63.1 in. versus 62.6 in.
Wheel base
109.3 in. versus 112.2 in.
Cargo capacity, all seats in place
13.2 cu.ft (without Advanced) / 14.3 cu.ft. (with Advanced) versus 14.3 cu.ft.

EPA interior volume
106.5 cu.ft. (without Advanced) 107.6 cu.ft. (with Advanced) versus 113.0 cu.ft.
Curb weight
3774 lbs. (For SH-AWD Advanced) versus. 3970 lbs.

They aren't all that different in terms of size. The TLX is kind of in between the size of the IS and the GS.

I was actually surprised, the GS is shorter in length (although not by much) than my 2003 TL-S.

Curious3GTL

I have to disagree about 80% of the features standard on the base AWD (which has tech) are going to be on a 335. Isn't Bluetooth audio still an option on that car? I would say price wise it's more in line with an IS350. Even still the TLX is priced very well for this segment.

Will it steal any Lexus or BMW buyers? I have no idea, but time will tell and Acura will try and make that case I am sure. No question a pure automotive enthusiast will most likely prefer the RWD competitors, but they're not the majority of the market.

dom

I guess this depends on what exactly we're defining as a home run. The car or it's sales. I was referring to sales. Really hoping the reviews are accurate and the 4 cylinder is in fact a better 1 gen TSX.

dom

I'm not doubting that at all. I'm just seriously doubting that how good the car is will matter to potential buyers in the segment. Acura's image is the barrier with the TLX. Hope they can overcome that barrier.

oonowindoo

your information about 335 is very outdated. i would suggest you to check out the F30 335i's standard feature list and you will be surprised and yes bluetooth audio/text/phone is standard.
you are right the enthusiasts are not majority of the market, but so is TLX SHAWD? 4banger will make up for most of its sales #s.

Curious3GTL

According to BMW's website I see "Enhanced USB and Bluetooth plus Smartphone Integration" as a $500 option. I also see Bluetooth audio is now standard so I guess you have to pay to get the apps. However, the BMW still will need a few options box checked to match some of the TLX standard features. It also offers some things the TLX doesn't like heated rear seats, and a heated wheel, but you have to pay for those. Overall for "features" the TLX still seems like a much better deal. If you care about the driving experience more than the technology clearly the BMW is going to be your car.