Acura: TLX News
06-06-2014, 12:49 PM
#9441
Team Owner
I don't think that's a base A4. Base A4 has halogen non-projector style headlights (yup you read that right and yes that's an Audi), a and 17" rims with thicker spokes, The A4 shown in VR1's post has the S-Line package with 18" rims and LED lighting package. You can also see the S-Line emblem behind the front wheel arch. It can also be a A4 prestige or premium plus.
As for the 3 series, it's possible the one shown is a base model. But it can also be a 320i, 328i, or 328d (including x drive). You can get halogen non-projector style headlights and those 17" rims in those trims. It's only when you step into a 335i when you have projector headlights. You can load up a 328i x drive to over $50k and still has the same look as the one shown in the pic.
As for the 3 series, it's possible the one shown is a base model. But it can also be a 320i, 328i, or 328d (including x drive). You can get halogen non-projector style headlights and those 17" rims in those trims. It's only when you step into a 335i when you have projector headlights. You can load up a 328i x drive to over $50k and still has the same look as the one shown in the pic.
On the 3 series, it is a No line base model on the outside.
06-06-2014, 01:13 PM
#9442
I drive a Subata.
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iforyou is trying to say that TLX looks fine.
06-06-2014, 01:21 PM
#9443
Some dude
Yeah..... don't even go there fanboy. Luxury car buyers don't buy cars based on the best in class seat belt tension. There's a reason Acura has a TLX RACECAR on their TLX page and no mention of CMBS, FCW, LKAS, or LDW. So if Acura doesn't even think its worth listing, why do you?
06-06-2014, 01:22 PM
#9444
Team Owner
fully loaded Maxima, Camry, Accord, Altima all look better than base model 3 series.
I really dont understand how you can compare a fully loaded anything vs. base model entry level cars.
I really dont understand how you can compare a fully loaded anything vs. base model entry level cars.
06-06-2014, 04:12 PM
#9445
AZ Community Team
Yeah..... don't even go there fanboy. Luxury car buyers don't buy cars based on the best in class seat belt tension. There's a reason Acura has a TLX RACECAR on their TLX page and no mention of CMBS, FCW, LKAS, or LDW. So if Acura doesn't even think its worth listing, why do you?
http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/...21750379151234
In a recent poll by the Consumer Reports National Research Center, 65% cited safety as their most important buying consideration.
The latest research from BuyingAdvice.com shows that almost eighty percent of car buyers say that safety is “very” important in the choice of vehicle they purchase
06-06-2014, 04:15 PM
#9446
AZ Community Team
06-06-2014, 04:21 PM
#9447
Moderator
06-06-2014, 04:25 PM
#9448
Team Owner
Starting 2012 BMW introduced this stupid line crap
There is Base (no line)
Luxury line
Modern line (dropped in 2015 models)
Sport line
M Sport Line
Every line has different interior trims, color, exterior pieces, suspension, wheels and many other things
Depends on the line you choose, package options are different too. For example Estroil Blue II is exclusive for M sport and Red stiching leather is exclusive for Sport line.
You cannot order M sport suspension on Luxury or Modern line and etc...
They created more way for you to customize your car because some people like their cars feel more luxury and some like it more sporty.
Same goes for X5 and 5 series and many other models.
if you ask me, i think the line crap is stupid. How can you give red stitching to Sport and not M sport? How can you give Sport Black chrome exhaust tips and M sport has chrome.
But the interior and exterior difference between each lines is very noticeable.
Last edited by oonowindoo; 06-06-2014 at 04:29 PM.
06-06-2014, 04:27 PM
#9449
AZ Community Team
That's the problem right here. You have no idea what any of this stuff is and go ahead and assume others don't care about these features and proceed to call the technologies in the car average. I don't know man, but that doesn't sound right to me.
You are probably right that most people who buy Civics and Accords don't really care about all those features. However, we are talking about luxury cars here. Luxury for the most part means something inessential but desirable. What's desirable? For car enthusiasts, it could be a lot of engine power. For some, it could be a whole bunch of safety features.
You are probably right that most people who buy Civics and Accords don't really care about all those features. However, we are talking about luxury cars here. Luxury for the most part means something inessential but desirable. What's desirable? For car enthusiasts, it could be a lot of engine power. For some, it could be a whole bunch of safety features.
No problem.My wife's colleague has a 2014 EX-L and although it had all those features didn't help that a teenage driver rear-ended his new Accord.
06-06-2014, 04:36 PM
#9450
AZ Community Team
Doubt it, have never seen "No Line base model" used in any magazine and book I've read.
I think only "you" don't understand.
Starting 2012 BMW introduced this stupid line crap
There is Base (no line)
Luxury line
Modern line (dropped in 2015 models)
Sport line
M Sport Line
Every line has different interior trims, color, exterior pieces, suspension, wheels and many other things
Depends on the line you choose, package options are different too. For example Estroil Blue II is exclusive for M sport and Red stiching leather is exclusive for Sport line.
You cannot order M sport suspension on Luxury or Modern line and etc...
They created more way for you to customize your car because some people like their cars feel more luxury and some like it more sporty.
Same goes for X5 and 5 series and many other models.
if you ask me, i think the line crap is stupid. How can you give red stitching to Sport and not M sport? How can you give Sport Black chrome exhaust tips and M sport has chrome.
But the interior and exterior difference between each lines is very noticeable.
Starting 2012 BMW introduced this stupid line crap
There is Base (no line)
Luxury line
Modern line (dropped in 2015 models)
Sport line
M Sport Line
Every line has different interior trims, color, exterior pieces, suspension, wheels and many other things
Depends on the line you choose, package options are different too. For example Estroil Blue II is exclusive for M sport and Red stiching leather is exclusive for Sport line.
You cannot order M sport suspension on Luxury or Modern line and etc...
They created more way for you to customize your car because some people like their cars feel more luxury and some like it more sporty.
Same goes for X5 and 5 series and many other models.
if you ask me, i think the line crap is stupid. How can you give red stitching to Sport and not M sport? How can you give Sport Black chrome exhaust tips and M sport has chrome.
But the interior and exterior difference between each lines is very noticeable.
06-06-2014, 04:43 PM
#9451
Registered TL Owner
06-06-2014, 04:48 PM
#9454
AZ Community Team
Ahhh, leave it to the Germans
I did goggle it and 5 hits (all from comments on car forums and websites, and one of them is AcuraZine from this thread) came up, pretty much a non-definitive term
https://www.google.com/search?q=no+l...en-US:official
Goggle's search engine directory update rate is pretty amazing
I did goggle it and 5 hits (all from comments on car forums and websites, and one of them is AcuraZine from this thread) came up, pretty much a non-definitive term
https://www.google.com/search?q=no+l...en-US:official
Goggle's search engine directory update rate is pretty amazing
Last edited by Legend2TL; 06-06-2014 at 04:55 PM.
06-06-2014, 04:56 PM
#9455
AZ Community Team
On the F30, you have four options - MSport Line, Sport Line, Luxury Line, and Base (No "Line"). You can tell by the blank front fender (no badge for one of the "Lines") that the one in the picture is the base model. Check the "Build Your Own" for the 328i, for example - http://www.bmwusa.com/standard/conte...modelcode=143N
06-06-2014, 05:08 PM
#9456
Team Owner
Ahhh, leave it to the Germans
I did goggle it and 5 hits (all from comments on car forums and websites, and one of them is AcuraZine from this thread) came up, pretty much a non-definitive term
https://www.google.com/search?q=no+l...en-US:official
Goggle's search engine directory update rate is pretty amazing
I did goggle it and 5 hits (all from comments on car forums and websites, and one of them is AcuraZine from this thread) came up, pretty much a non-definitive term
https://www.google.com/search?q=no+l...en-US:official
Goggle's search engine directory update rate is pretty amazing
06-06-2014, 05:11 PM
#9457
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The A4 certainly is not. It could be a prestige model or one with the S-Line package.
The 3 series? Yea it can be a 320i with no line, which IS a base model. But it can also be a 328i xdrive with no line with different packages and options. And that certainly is no base model 3 series, no?
I don't disagree with that but it certainly not as good looking as a 3 series with M-line.
Yeah..... don't even go there fanboy. Luxury car buyers don't buy cars based on the best in class seat belt tension. There's a reason Acura has a TLX RACECAR on their TLX page and no mention of CMBS, FCW, LKAS, or LDW. So if Acura doesn't even think its worth listing, why do you?
We get that you and some others don't care about safety features. And that you and some others don't count those as luxury features. That's fine. You are entitled to your own opinion and I respect that. And I don't go calling you a fool or something.
Getting back on topic regarding TLX vs Accord. Let's forget about those safety features for a moment. The TLX still has ELS, GPS-linked climate control, cooled seats, electronic gear selector, SH-AWD, which the Accord does not have. And that's just a few examples.
So true, it's difficult to determine what others care and don't care about in luxury cars. Lexus proved MB and BMW didn't get that people wanted their luxury cars to be reliable and dependable.
My wife's colleague has a 2014 EX-L and although it had all those features didn't help that a teenage driver rear-ended his new Accord.
My wife's colleague has a 2014 EX-L and although it had all those features didn't help that a teenage driver rear-ended his new Accord.
Everyone has his/her own priorities for luxury cars. BMW owners value performance; MB owners value class; Lexus drivers like reliability and quietness. This is something Acura needs to improve on. Right now, they don't exactly have clear image other than being a luxury car brand wannabe.
06-06-2014, 05:13 PM
#9458
AZ Community Team
06-06-2014, 05:47 PM
#9459
I drive a Subata.
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Now we are talking about the price difference?
Okay, both of those cars can look like that under $45k.
And the pricing difference doesn't change the fact that TLX looks underwhelming in that instagram image TO ME.
Okay, both of those cars can look like that under $45k.
And the pricing difference doesn't change the fact that TLX looks underwhelming in that instagram image TO ME.
06-06-2014, 06:02 PM
#9460
Team Owner
Then they will argue, but at 45k those 2 cars don't have this and that.
they still don't get it. It does not matter!!!!
There are plenty of people out there will pick a base 320 with 180hp with manual seats over a fully loaded TL SHAWD even if they are at the same price.
they still don't get it. It does not matter!!!!
There are plenty of people out there will pick a base 320 with 180hp with manual seats over a fully loaded TL SHAWD even if they are at the same price.
06-06-2014, 11:38 PM
#9462
Itz JDM y0!
You cannot get a 3 series 335i Msport for $45k. The 335i itself starts at $47k and the base model MSport is $50k. I dunno about the A4, that white one looks like a Premium Plus Quattro which you could get for mid $40k.
Last edited by VR1; 06-06-2014 at 11:41 PM.
06-07-2014, 01:52 AM
#9463
Then they will argue, but at 45k those 2 cars don't have this and that.
they still don't get it. It does not matter!!!!
There are plenty of people out there will pick a base 320 with 180hp with manual seats over a fully loaded TL SHAWD even if they are at the same price.
they still don't get it. It does not matter!!!!
There are plenty of people out there will pick a base 320 with 180hp with manual seats over a fully loaded TL SHAWD even if they are at the same price.
06-07-2014, 02:46 AM
#9464
Team Owner
i probably would too but we will not make a dent on BMW sales #.
06-07-2014, 08:27 AM
#9465
Azine Jabroni
06-07-2014, 12:37 PM
#9467
BMW 316I. look exactly like 328I with performance of Civic. I believe BMW can sell this at price of Civic EX-L.
http://paultan.org/2014/01/06/driven...w-level-entry/
http://paultan.org/2014/01/06/driven...w-level-entry/
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06-07-2014, 01:19 PM
#9468
Three Wheelin'
BMW 316I. look exactly like 328I with performance of Civic. I believe BMW can sell this at price of Civic EX-L.
http://paultan.org/2014/01/06/driven...w-level-entry/
http://paultan.org/2014/01/06/driven...w-level-entry/
06-07-2014, 01:52 PM
#9469
A car like that won't even come to the American market. In Europe BMW sells a lot more "stripper" models for much cheaper; cloth seats, smaller engine, etc. No way they bring a car with a 0-60 of 9.2 seconds to the American market. The particular article you linked is from Malaysia and I would have to imagine it's a much closer market to Europe than to the American market.
people looking at those prices are not looking at leather or navigation. BMW can remove the 4 year free service. its big market. they already started 4 cylinder engines in US market. why not go even lower capacity. I am not advocating going even smaller to 3 cylinder. smaller engine can make BMW 3 series even more light weight.
06-11-2014, 10:01 AM
#9470
AZ Community Team
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Is that how you treat others who are trying to having a proper discussion, by calling them fanboys? Really?
We get that you and some others don't care about safety features. And that you and some others don't count those as luxury features. That's fine. You are entitled to your own opinion and I respect that. And I don't go calling you a fool or something.
Getting back on topic regarding TLX vs Accord. Let's forget about those safety features for a moment. The TLX still has ELS, GPS-linked climate control, cooled seats, electronic gear selector, SH-AWD, which the Accord does not have. And that's just a few examples.
Is that how you treat others who are trying to having a proper discussion, by calling them fanboys? Really?
We get that you and some others don't care about safety features. And that you and some others don't count those as luxury features. That's fine. You are entitled to your own opinion and I respect that. And I don't go calling you a fool or something.
Getting back on topic regarding TLX vs Accord. Let's forget about those safety features for a moment. The TLX still has ELS, GPS-linked climate control, cooled seats, electronic gear selector, SH-AWD, which the Accord does not have. And that's just a few examples.
Good response Everyone has his/her own priorities for luxury cars. BMW owners value performance; MB owners value class; Lexus drivers like reliability and quietness. This is something Acura needs to improve on. Right now, they don't exactly have clear image other than being a luxury car brand wannabe.IMO Acura is still viewed as a Honda+, which works fine for some of it's customers. They understand the luxury SUV market pretty well but last 5 years have had problems in the sedan market.
Last edited by Legend2TL; 06-11-2014 at 10:10 AM.
06-11-2014, 01:08 PM
#9471
Some dude
Is that how you treat others who are trying to having a proper discussion, by calling them fanboys? Really?
We get that you and some others don't care about safety features. And that you and some others don't count those as luxury features. That's fine. You are entitled to your own opinion and I respect that. And I don't go calling you a fool or something.
We get that you and some others don't care about safety features. And that you and some others don't count those as luxury features. That's fine. You are entitled to your own opinion and I respect that. And I don't go calling you a fool or something.
Did you run out of people who'd listen to you say rich people can't afford milk because of the gas mileage in their Ferraris? Like did that ever get resolved or what?
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06-11-2014, 01:16 PM
#9472
AZ Community Team
The fact is Acura doesn't even list any of these so-called great safety feature on their TLX page should be a clear indication of what they think people will care about when purchasing this car. So for you to contradict Acura's own assessment of what features it needs to show off to entice potential customers and state your opinion as some sort of fact is fanboyish. Its not as bad as the guy who said the RLX has best in class headlight radius or whatever but come on.
Did you run out of people who'd listen to you say rich people can't afford milk because of the gas mileage in their Ferraris? Like did that ever get resolved or what?
Did you run out of people who'd listen to you say rich people can't afford milk because of the gas mileage in their Ferraris? Like did that ever get resolved or what?
06-11-2014, 02:18 PM
#9473
Some dude
You actually said that!
06-11-2014, 02:21 PM
#9474
AZ Community Team
Hence once again you prove you're a troll.
Why don't we try to get back on-topic here?
Since you are hung up on lack of safety listed on the intro page for the TLX.
Here is the PR from Honda on the TLX which show their content on the safety features.
http://www.honda.com/newsandviews/ar...spx?id=7709-en
Safety and Driver-Assistive Technologies
The TLX also advances Acura's reputation for delivering cutting-edge safety and driver-assistive technologies. The TLX incorporates a new cooperative monocular camera and millimeter wave radar system that expands both the fidelity and scope of the vehicle's road-sensing capabilities. This fusion of camera and radar technology underpins the TLX's available Collision Mitigation Braking SystemTM, which can now provide enhanced car-to-car and car-to-pedestrian collision mitigation while also enhancing the capabilities of the Adaptive Cruise Control.
The TLX is the first Acura vehicle to deploy a new Road Departure Mitigation (RDM) system included with the Advance Package. RDM uses the monocular camera to recognize painted lane lines, Botts' Dots and Cat Eye markers to determine lane boundaries. When the vehicle's current travelling direction would cause it to stray from a detected lane, the system warns the driver and assists by applying corrective steering input, and if required, braking force to help the driver maintain their current lane.
Additional standard and available driver-assistive features include Blind Spot Information (BSI), Lane Departure Warning (LDW), Forward Collision Warning (FCW), Expanded View Driver's Side Mirror, Lane Keep Assist System (LKAS) and new Cross Traffic Monitor.
The TLX also employs Acura's next-generation Advanced Compatibility Engineering (ACE) body structure, along with advanced supplemental restraint systems – including front, side, side-curtain and driver's-knee airbags – to provide a high level of occupant protection in a wide spectrum of collision scenarios. The TLX is anticipated to earn a Five-star Overall Vehicle Score in the NHTSA's NCAP safety ratings, and a TOP SAFETY PICK+ rating from the Insurance Institute for Highway Safety.
The TLX also advances Acura's reputation for delivering cutting-edge safety and driver-assistive technologies. The TLX incorporates a new cooperative monocular camera and millimeter wave radar system that expands both the fidelity and scope of the vehicle's road-sensing capabilities. This fusion of camera and radar technology underpins the TLX's available Collision Mitigation Braking SystemTM, which can now provide enhanced car-to-car and car-to-pedestrian collision mitigation while also enhancing the capabilities of the Adaptive Cruise Control.
The TLX is the first Acura vehicle to deploy a new Road Departure Mitigation (RDM) system included with the Advance Package. RDM uses the monocular camera to recognize painted lane lines, Botts' Dots and Cat Eye markers to determine lane boundaries. When the vehicle's current travelling direction would cause it to stray from a detected lane, the system warns the driver and assists by applying corrective steering input, and if required, braking force to help the driver maintain their current lane.
Additional standard and available driver-assistive features include Blind Spot Information (BSI), Lane Departure Warning (LDW), Forward Collision Warning (FCW), Expanded View Driver's Side Mirror, Lane Keep Assist System (LKAS) and new Cross Traffic Monitor.
The TLX also employs Acura's next-generation Advanced Compatibility Engineering (ACE) body structure, along with advanced supplemental restraint systems – including front, side, side-curtain and driver's-knee airbags – to provide a high level of occupant protection in a wide spectrum of collision scenarios. The TLX is anticipated to earn a Five-star Overall Vehicle Score in the NHTSA's NCAP safety ratings, and a TOP SAFETY PICK+ rating from the Insurance Institute for Highway Safety.
Last edited by Legend2TL; 06-11-2014 at 02:35 PM.
06-11-2014, 02:35 PM
#9475
Team Owner
not saying i dont think Safety is important, it is.
But come on, nowadays, most modern cars are pretty safe. The difference between each car is getting smaller and smaller.
If you hit a brick wall at 100mph, you are gonna die regardless how many airbags there are.
Arguing safety features in any car, especially in $40k,$50k+ segment is almost as bad as AC vents location.
I have said many times, all these computerized safety features that are supposed to make driving safer will eventually backfire. People will rely more and more on these features and eventually the "turn your head, when changing lane" will become history.
Lane departure warning will malfunction. It is not if, just when.
But come on, nowadays, most modern cars are pretty safe. The difference between each car is getting smaller and smaller.
If you hit a brick wall at 100mph, you are gonna die regardless how many airbags there are.
Arguing safety features in any car, especially in $40k,$50k+ segment is almost as bad as AC vents location.
I have said many times, all these computerized safety features that are supposed to make driving safer will eventually backfire. People will rely more and more on these features and eventually the "turn your head, when changing lane" will become history.
Lane departure warning will malfunction. It is not if, just when.
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06-11-2014, 02:45 PM
#9476
Some dude
How many months ago, context and in another thread?
Let's try to get back on-topic here why don't we?
Since you are hung up on lack of safety listed on the intro page for the TLX.
Here is the PR from Honda on the TLX which show their content on the safety features.
http://www.honda.com/newsandviews/ar...spx?id=7709-en
Let's try to get back on-topic here why don't we?
Since you are hung up on lack of safety listed on the intro page for the TLX.
Here is the PR from Honda on the TLX which show their content on the safety features.
http://www.honda.com/newsandviews/ar...spx?id=7709-en
Clearly I'm just showing people not to waste any time trying to have a constructive conversation with you, because honestly, you thinking THAT was a valid argument for anything automatically puts you in some rare company on here.And yes, press releases about the best in class seat belts really get people excited and get butts into showrooms.
06-11-2014, 02:49 PM
#9477
AZ Community Team
LOLOL. I went alllllll the way back 3 pages in the NSX thread for your genius insight there. Clearly I'm just showing people not to waste any time trying to have a constructive conversation with you, because honestly, you thinking THAT was a valid argument for anything automatically puts you in some rare company on here.
And yes, press releases about the best in class seat belts really get people excited and get butts into showrooms.
Clearly I'm just showing people not to waste any time trying to have a constructive conversation with you, because honestly, you thinking THAT was a valid argument for anything automatically puts you in some rare company on here.And yes, press releases about the best in class seat belts really get people excited and get butts into showrooms.
Please enlighten us
Otherwise stick to the topic in this thread.
Last edited by Legend2TL; 06-11-2014 at 02:54 PM.
06-11-2014, 02:56 PM
#9478
AZ Community Team
Agree that most modern cars are pretty safe but there are still some substantial differences in crash test results.
not saying i dont think Safety is important, it is.
But come on, nowadays, most modern cars are pretty safe. The difference between each car is getting smaller and smaller.
If you hit a brick wall at 100mph, you are gonna die regardless how many airbags there are.
Arguing safety features in any car, especially in $40k,$50k+ segment is almost as bad as AC vents location.
I have said many times, all these computerized safety features that are supposed to make driving safer will eventually backfire. People will rely more and more on these features and eventually the "turn your head, when changing lane" will become history.
Lane departure warning will malfunction. It is not if, just when.
But come on, nowadays, most modern cars are pretty safe. The difference between each car is getting smaller and smaller.
If you hit a brick wall at 100mph, you are gonna die regardless how many airbags there are.
Arguing safety features in any car, especially in $40k,$50k+ segment is almost as bad as AC vents location.
I have said many times, all these computerized safety features that are supposed to make driving safer will eventually backfire. People will rely more and more on these features and eventually the "turn your head, when changing lane" will become history.
Lane departure warning will malfunction. It is not if, just when.
06-11-2014, 03:03 PM
#9479
Some dude
How much safer do you really think the TLX is going to be then the other cars in its class?
Last edited by MeehowsBRZ; 06-11-2014 at 03:06 PM.
06-11-2014, 03:11 PM
#9480
Team Owner
I appreciate their effort but their test is just not realistic. It is a great tool to force manufactures to improve their overall safety effort.
You will have to get hit at the exact same speed, at the exact impact area under the exact condition to have a chance to duplicate the result.
What if it is 5mph higher than the tested speed? or what if it is 10mph lower? or what if if the impact area is slightly to the left than the area that was tested?
chances are cars with 4 star and 5 star will end up the same faith if the condition is change slightly.