SSFTSX

Try lease MDX advance/Apec/Hybrid for lease less than all those you mentioned. you are comparing cars that need build to order with lower trim cars that are on dealer lots.
Fact is Genesis has less than 1000 vehicles sales in November 2020. No prospect of any dealership. No prospect of factory in US and you tellling me that Genesis can compete with Acura?
you wont even realize how fast Corporate Korea can go bankrupt.

SSFTSX

https://gmauthority.com/blog/2020/12...-battery-pack/

Class Action Lawsuit Filed Over Chevy Bolt EV Battery Pack

00TL-P3.2

Let's bring it back on topic, gents.

TSX69

https://acuranews.com/en-US/releases...ng-2020-finish

Trucks & Electrified Vehicles Propel American Honda to Strong 2020 Finish

• Release
• Photos

January 5, 2021
American Honda Q4Total

366,068
-8.9%

Cars

138,925
-13.4%

Trucks

227,143
-5.9%

Total

41,329
-7.3%

Cars

11,069
-8.3%

Trucks

30,260
-7.5

Total

324,739
-9.1%

Cars

127,856
-14%

Trucks

196,833
-5.7%
American Honda Dec.Total

136,467
-0.1%

Cars

48,833
-6%

Trucks

87,634
+3.6%

Total

15,648
-3%

Cars

3,788
-10.5%

Trucks

11,860
-0.3%

Total

120,819
+0.3%

Cars

45,045
-5.6%

Trucks

75,774
+4.2%




“While 2020 was a year of unprecedented challenges, through the efforts of our Honda and Dealer associates and the continuing loyalty of our customers, we were able to deliver 1.3 million vehicles,” said Dave Gardner, executive vice president of National Operations at American Honda. “As the world continues to cope with the global pandemic, we remain optimistic that things will improve soon and look forward to the upcoming launches of critical all-new products like the Honda Civic and Acura MDX.”





BRAND REPORT
Sales Highlights

Honda wrapped a globally-challenging year on a positive note with a 4.2% December gain for trucks, plus a new record for electrified vehicles and a double record for Passport.

• Led by strong sales of the CR-V Hybrid (24,406) and Accord Hybrid (18,229), Honda posted record sales of electrified vehicles for the 3rd straight year, totaling 62,982 in 2020.
• Passport set a new all-time annual sales record of nearly 40,000 units, plus record December sales of 4,344 units.
• CR-V remained Honda’s best-selling vehicle, as sales topped 300,000 units for the 8th straight year, on sales of 333,502 units.
• Civic posted strong sales of 261,225 in 2020 to lead all compact cars and remain the best-selling model to millennial and first-time buyers.

Model Notes
The boldly redesigned 2021 Ridgeline signals a new design direction to more effectively communicate the rugged capabilities of Honda light trucks and SUVs.


The Civic Type R LE just launched as the ultimate street-legal Honda, the perfect capstone to the unparalleled success of the retail best-selling 10th gen Civic.



BRAND REPORT
Sales Highlights

Acura completed 2020 with strong December sales performances, both at the gateway to the lineup with ILX and at the top with MDX which posted its best month since August 2018. 2021 promises to be an exciting year with the arrival of the 4th-gen MDX and the return of Type-S performance variants.

• ILX enjoyed another strong month in December with sales of 1,417 units, gaining 8.6% for the month.
• Acura SUV sales topped 100,000 units for the 7th straight year.
• RDX sales surpassed the 50,000 mark for the 6th consecutive year with total sales of 52,785 units in 2020.

Model Notes
The all-new 2021 TLX is the quickest, best-handling and most well-appointed sedan in Acura history, and just earned the highest safety rating from IIHS: TOP SAFETY PICK+.


As the new brand flagship, the 2022 MDX represents a quantum leap forward as the most premium, performance-focused and technologically sophisticated Acura SUV ever.





# # #

TSX69

https://acuranews.com/en-US/releases...s-results-2021

American Honda Reports January Sales Results

• Release

February 2, 2021 American Honda Total

92,225
-9.2%
Cars

34,273
-19.1%
Trucks

57,952
-2.2%
Total

8,504
-7.9%
Cars

2,291
-17.5%
Trucks

6,213
-3.7%
Total

83,721
-9.4%
Cars

31,982
-19.2%
Trucks

51,739
-2%


See accompanying spreadsheet for complete results.





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SSFTSX

honda earnings.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-h...KBN2A90LS?il=0

YEH

Honda incentive spending for the Q - average of $2,047 per vehicle (reduction of 4%).

Acura incentive spending - average of $5,890 per vehicle (up 8%).

Honda ATP - $28,743 (4% rise)

Acura ATP - $39,979 (dropped 1%)

Honda was definitely the better performer of the 2 brands last Q.

And oh, 2nd month in a row where H/K outsold Honda in the US.


Genesis sold 6k vehicles the past 2 months on the strength of sales of the GV80.

With the launch if the GV70 in Korea, sales are projected to hit 150k there (so, in Korea, alone, Genesis will make more $ than Acura does in NA).

Genesis has been a big profit driver for Hyundai the past several quarters.

SSFTSX

G80 2.5TAWD not much faster than Acura TLX with poor fuel economy. Genesis is complete flop. Hyundai tried to hype the stock through Apple deal news.

https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews...y-the-numbers/
From a stop, there's a little bit of lag, and that slight delay before the turbo wakes up results in a 6.5-second rolling start from 5 to 60 mph, a full second longer than a brake-torque launch to 60.
At a steady 70 mph, the G80's machinery melts away into a quiet 66-decibel hum.

YEH

^
So, the larger midsize class G80 beats the compact/entry-level class TLX naught to 60 (5.5s vs. 5.9s) and you brag about that? LMAO!!!

Even worse over the 1/4 mile where the G80 does it in 14s vs 14.5 for the TLX (one would think the 230 lb lighter TLX would be the faster one).

How embarrassing for Acura when their sport sedan gets beat pretty handily by a lux oriented midsizer; gee, what's going to happen when the G70 gets the 2.5T motor?

Speaking of the G70, got bumped from the top spot of C/D's rankings by the 3 Series (as the G70 doesn't yet offer performance variants), but all the newer TLX could accomplish is the 9th spot.

C/D rather liked the G80, including the 4-pot.

HIGHS: So quiet and luxurious we wrongly assumed it wouldn't be fun, deft handling for its size, rich and lavish interior appointments.

That's more praise than they heaped upon the TLX.

As for Apple - Hyundai decided that they weren't getting enough out of the deal, so walked away.

Nonetheless, says something when Apple approached HMG and not Honda (really, they would have to contact GM if they wanted to "partner up with Honda" when it comes to ekectrics).

But hey, good news for prospective TLX buyers - plenty of deals to be had.

SSFTSX

Civic Type R has more than 15 mph higher trap speed than 1.5T Civic. This much half litre engine add to Honda performance.
you Genesis has identical 5 to 60 time as TLX despite 2.5 Litre engine. its that drivability. that not adding anything. Decimal is 66. same as previous generation TLX.
G80 need that oversize 275 rear tire to generate acceptable grip.

Trunk volume of G80 is smaller than TLX. i doubt there is much practical difference in rear leg and head room. The car is complete joke for its size.

This picture tell every thing. which one looks taller and has shorter front size. In second year GV80 will already be stale design.
Hyundai and Kia tried to hype the stock with Apple deals. It was a fraud from begining. They are unreliable crap. They need 10 year engine warranty to sell.

biker

Sorry, there's nothing really compact about the TLX. The "entry level" designation by you or anyone else is very subjective.

ELIN

By Acura's own admission, the TLX is competing in the A4/3 Series/C Class/G70 segment. The fact that only the exterior competes with the mid-size segment hurts 0-60 and creates consumer confusion.

04WDPSeDaN

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Are you confused about the actual size of the TLX because of the exterior dimensions? There's been plenty of reviews on the TLX and it's been heavily discussed the rear seating is tight almost impractical for a family sedan. The TLX is over priced and out performed, it's not only my personal opinion but of many others. This is an Acura site after-all so it's mostly bias, pro Acura or good vibes only. I always said, there's a fine line between facts / truth vs being delusional.

Don't believe me? Clear example of such is the notorious poster starting with S ends with X

SSFTSX

It is clear. Trunk space of G80 is smaller than most compact sedans. it is not designed for 4 Adults. as second row is for cargo. 4 cylinder has the worse refinement and fuel economic.
Performance not much better than 2.0 4 cylinder. Did i mention it does not have anything like SH-AWD so it need that 275 size rear tires.
and you are going to pay extra $10K for this chrome infested crap?

YEH

So, it's G/H's problem that A/H didn't develop a larger displacement T4? Lol

And sorry, you can't just pick and choose stats.

In the aggregate, the G80 (which is a segment above the TLX), outperforms it overall.

And speaking of the 2.5T motor, in the Sonata N-Line, it absolutely smokes the TLX (not to mention it getting handily beat by its corporate stablemate, the Accord Sport).

Like I had stated, the G80 is a luxury and not a sport sedan, but despite being a class up and being able to ride 5 in comfort (unlike the TLX), still outperforms it



You'll just plenty of comparisons/references of the MDX to the Palisade.


Unlike for the GV80, we won't see the MDX compared to the Bentayga.

When it comes to buyers of premium 3-row CUVs, don't see why many would pick the MDX over the next gen CX-9 (aside from having an Acura dealership closer).

Acura's ATP is below $40k.

Genesis' ATP has likely risen to around $55k (probably higher) due to the GV80 and new G80, which is $5k higher than Lexus.

The Telluride has a higher ATP than Acura.

SSFTSX

sorry you cannot enlarge 4 cylinder engine too much and get refinement of V6. Honda is not stupid. they know how much they can charge for 4 cylinder engine.
It does not outperform at all. once you put same size tires in both of them. Oversize tires kill the fuel economic of G80. and it still bargain basement brand. Did i mention SH-AWD?

And speaking of the 2.5T motor, in the Sonata N-Line, it absolutely smokes the TLX (not to mention it getting handily beat by its corporate stablemate, the Accord Sport).
It is neither luxury nor sport sedan. The rides of G80 and GV80 are well documented.


Acura build vehicles for long term reliability. They dont build copy cats of European vehicles. and get hit on leases and warranty costs.

this is how Genesis sales vehicle. Getting 3 year maintaince and 5 years extra warranty add about $5K to Acura price.

SSFTSX

All the flavors . which one good for Yeh.

YEH

^ What is with your incessant need to repeatedly post pics of vehicles we all are familiar with?

Is that a symptom of being totally deluded?

Knight Rider sums it up the TLX pretty nicely.

https://acurazine.com/forums/second-.../#post16690513

And sorry, the GV80 goes significantly higher in price than the MDX (that's what offering a real lux interior entails).

You're bonkers if you think maintenance costs anywhere close to $5k; not counting the extra years warranty because that doesn't add any appreciable cost (see Hyundai vs Honda).

Plus Honda Australia has offered 7 yrs warranty (higher than what Hyundai offers in Australia) with no increase in prices (hasn't exactly helped Honda sales in Australia).

Face it, in the reviews, the GV80 has been seen on a different scale than the MDX.

Acura has already been offering incentives on the MDX, whereas buyers have been paying above list for the in demand 3.5T Prestige GV80.

At the $60k+ price-point, Genesis far outsells Acura.

Include worldwide sales and Acura isn't within a mile of Genesis.

YEH

The risk of going with a FWD/transverse (or majority) lineup.

Both Acura and Lexus have had to increase incentive spending (do we really need to talk about Nissan+, er, Infiniti?) as mainstream brands have started offering models encroaching on premium territory.

Last Q, Lexus incentive spending was boosted 10% to $6,163 (in contrast, Toyota incentive spending was down).

Acura incentive spending was up 8% to $5,890 with Honda spending flat.

That near $6k figure for Acura is worse (not counting dealer discounts) as Acura's ATP is $10k less than for Lexus (which is close to the $50k mark).

SSFTSX

Only few trims of GV80 goes higher in price. most are the 4 cylinder trims. and Dublin Genesis has 13 GV80 on lot. There is no SFbayarea dealer that has that many higher priced MDX on lot.

The only MDX are older 2020 with base or Tech. No Adavnce and Aspec packages that compete above $55K price point.

Honda has very limted offering. 7 Years warranty at Acura cost $3K minimum and for higher price vehicles that are more complex it will be much higher.



Knight Rider is Joker. he does not know any thing about Vehicles. In order to achieve certain level of rigidity and safety with designed from ground up for high performance SH-AWD V6 turbo it need to gain weight.
DWB suspension vehicles are wider and heavier so need to increase length for proper proportions.

biker

Perhaps I am. While the EPA rating for the TLX is in the compact range (below 110 cu ft interior space), so are most of the others like A6, 5 series, E class, etc.

Biker, who would not consider any of those cars "compact".

TSX69

https://carbuzz.com/news/honda-and-a...full-size-suvs

Honda And Acura Want Their Own Full-Size SUVs

Feb 12, 2021 Industry News / 9 CommentsIf dealers get their way, the Chevy Tahoe and Cadillac Escalade could get new competition.

To add to its growing SUV lineup, Honda revived the Passport nameplate for a new two-row midsize model slotting below its three-row Pilot. Speaking with Automotive News, Honda dealerships say they'd like to see the company fill another hole, this time at the top of the lineup. The 2021 Honda Pilot is already a large vehicle with seating for eight passengers, but people within the dealer network believe there's room for something even bigger.

Honda National Dealer Advisory Board chairman, William Feinstein says there's a market for an SUV with a longer wheelbase than the Pilot. Such a vehicle would offer more space in the third row and in the cargo area. If Honda were to build a full-size SUV, it could potentially steal sales away from the Chevrolet Tahoe, Ford Expedition, GMC Yukon, Nissan Armada, and Toyota Sequoia.

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Feinstein also expressed interest in a Honda-badged all-wheel-drive sedan. Both the Civic and Accord are only offered with front-wheel-drive, but adding an AWD option could help Honda capture more customers in the Northeast and Midwest regions. There's just one issue with this idea; such a car may come close in price to the 2021 Acura TLX, which offers Super-Handling AWD.

Speaking of Honda's luxury arm, Acura Dealer National Advisory Board representative John Connelley also spoke with Auto News about what models he'd like to see added to the lineup. To no one's surprise, Connelley believes Acura needs more SUVs and crossovers.

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Rarest Dodge Vehicles On The Planet"When you look at the MDX and RDX, and you see those sales, they're consistently selling 50,000 to 60,000 per year, and people love and trust them year after year. Acura has so much equity in their SUVs that it would make complete sense to have both a crossover that would slot below the RDX and slot above the MDX. I think there is plenty of room there for that."

Acura already has the meat of the SUV market covered with the compact RDX and midsize MDX. Still, most of the European luxury automakers offer options above and below these size classes. Sub-compact crossovers like the Audi Q3 and BMW X1 tend not to outsell their larger compact siblings, and Acura's sales may not be substantial enough to justify adding more models. If Acura were to go above the MDX, it would likely require a new platform shared with the aforementioned Honda full-size SUV.

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ELIN

^^^^
Of course there's a market for full-size 3-row SUVs! Honda is late to the game again just like when they brought the Passport back. Perhaps they could use an oximeter as they definitely aren't feeling the pulse of America!

If they ever do introduce AWD to the Honda sedans, you can say goodbye to the ILX/TLX. Pressure is on as Camry and Altima already have AWD.

SSFTSX

They can add simpler more offroad type AWD to Honda sedans. No need for Super handling at that price point.
Next ILX should get SH-AWD.

YEH

If you're going to play in the full size SUV arena, that entails BoF (Suburban, Yukon XL, Expedition).

Even crossovers the size of the Traverse and Enclave are classified as midsize SUVs.

Can see the next Pilot growing a few inches with better packaging, but will Honda go as big as the Traverse?

Wouldn't count on it.

SamDoe1

Le sigh...if only they did a touch screen. This is just like the stupid volume knob thing from a few years ago. Good idea in theory, terrible in practice.

YEH

Uhh, that's the whole POINT of having trims.

The present top trim (3.5T Prestige) tops out at $72k, and it just also happens to be the most in demand trim (which is why many dealerships have a "market adjustment").

There will be a GV80 Sport and a GV80e, which will go higher in price.

Many dealerships only have the 2.5T in stock because most buyers have been opting for the 3.5T, esp. the top Prestige trim.

Doubt we'll see the Advance MDX going for above MSRP.



The top trim of the 2022MY MDX (Advance Package) tops out at $61.6k.

That's over $10k lower than the present top trim for the GV80, which is going for above list in many places.

Sorry, but the MDX simply plays in another ballpark price-wise, and it's a 3-row and not a 4/5+2 like the GV80, and that's not counting something like the GV80e which likely be around the $80k mark.

Seems like Genesis will be going ahead with the GV90, it's legit 3 row, and that'll leave the MDX behind in the dust in terms of pricing.

I mean, geeze - YOU were the one comparing the TLX to the G80.

Shall we go into the price differential btwn the 2?

And there's still the G80 Sport and G80s on the way, which will boost the top end pricing of the G80 even further.

Genesis' ATP is about right where Audi is - ahead of ALL the Japanese, Acura, bringing up the rear.

SSFTSX

what is BMW X7 and MB GLS?

if 3.0T engine proved reliable and refined. there is no reason they cannot make much bigger and boxy SUV both for Honda and Acura.

what is size and payload of this vehicle?

SSFTSX

ELIN

Truecar shows the Advance is going on average for 0.8% above MSRP.

It will taper down a couple weeks from now when the super-fans have been satisfied.

ELIN

Only problem is they would need that Type S engine at minimum to move that full-size SUV.

YEH

Honda can make a crossover as big as the GLS, but if it's on an extended Pilot platform, it will still be considered a midsize SUV.

The Traverse is about the same size the GLS (only 0.7" shorter), but is still classified as a midsize SUV (yes, the classification system isn't always logical).

SSFTSX

Are you stupid keep repeating Genesis ATP? Just adding extra warranty to MDX to match Genesis and maintainance for AWD vehicle over 3 years will add atleast $5K to MDX price. and that is non turbo version of MDX.
Honda turbo are more expenisve than simple V6 vehicles.
Genesis GV80 are staying in dealership lots now. just give it few more months. Skyhigh discounts coming just like Gensis sedans. used G80 and G90 less than TLX prices now.

Financing Offer : 1.9% APR for 60 months on select Genesis GV80 models

1. 1.9% APR for 24 months
2. 1.9% APR for 36 months
3. 1.9% APR for 39 months
4. 1.9% APR for 42 months
5. 1.9% APR for 48 months
6. 1.9% APR for 60 months
7. 2.5% APR for 72 months

SSFTSX

Acura has its own DWB MDX platform now. it can take 21 inch rims. They aleady done the work. it need just larger vehicle. just like Ridgeline is larger version of Pilot.

YEH

^ Um, Acura just uses some different suspension bits, but it's still a FWD/transverse platform (plus, we're talking Honda, not Acura).

If you didn't get it (obviously, you didn't), that's what controlling as to SUV classification and not actual length/size. Duh!

YEH

In the Bay region, we're talking a mark up around $300-700 with some dealerships offering a slight discount.

In the Midwest (IL/IN region), the MDX (even the ASpec and Advance), can be had for well off MSRP.

(Which is why you know who selectively picking "examples" is so asinine.)

In the Bay region, despite 2 years on the market, the pricing adjustment for the Telluride SX is $4,700 (even higher for just the SXP ).

YEH

Why do I have to keep repeating things that already been covered again and again (guess that's what happens when dealing with a complete imbecile)?

Maintenance and warranty doesn't add $5k to the price, esp warranty (otherwise, why aren't Hyundais priced higher than Hondas?)

BMW offers maintenance and yet aren't priced higher than Mercedes; in fact, the 7 Series is priced a good bit below the S Class.

And even if it did, still wouldn't explain the $15k delta in ATP.

And only a complete dumb arse such as yourself would post 1.9% financing rates as a sort of "proof" of Genesis discounting when Acura is doing the SAME.

Plus, the GV80 is going head to head with the GLE and X5, and the Germans are offering financing, not to mention lease deals (actually, cheaper to lease a GLE or X5 than the GV80).

Speaking of leasing, the MDX can be leased for $469/month with an effective monthly cost of $550.

But the GV80 lease rate starts at $589; an effective lease cost of $742/month.

Like had stated, the GV80 is playing in another ballpark.

Also, the MDX has a $1k loyalty and conquer rebate.

For those already owning an Acura, don't even have to trade it in, and the conquest also applies to Honda.

SSFTSX

that $469 is basic MDX. none of Aspec and Advance packages.
Go to an Acura dealer and find out 10 year power train warranty and 5 year Total warranty extended with road side assistance for any vehicle that is $45k+ the loaded models?
these prices are 4 years ago. and still not go to 10 year powertrain.

SSFTSX

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2018 Genesis G80 3.8 sedan Santiago Silver - $24,994

Out of warranty and the price collapse like POS German.
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