phile

https://acurazine.com/forums/showpos...&postcount=711

VTEC Racer

LOL wait a minute....wait... You actually spent time searching for that? You went searching through a bunch of threads to point out someone having a powetrip? So what was the ending result from it? What exactly are you trying to point out? All this effort for me?

You're more devoted to the cause than I thought. Be a man and just end this right here. If not, continue on.

civicdrivr

iTrader: (9)

Pot....meet kettle.....

VTEC Racer

Considering the post you made last night, do you honestly think anything positive could come out of this post? Do you really think your comment was a positive contribution to a thread that has already been derailed and just starting to wind down? If you were serious about not wanting to read BS posts on here, then don't post BS and inflammatory comments. BS comment=BS response. It's a 2-way street. Here is my third attempt asking for people to show me how much more mature they are than me and take the high road.

civicdrivr

iTrader: (9)

You're right. High road taken:

HAWAII-TSX

I totally agree about the design and some being overly critical.

Now if Acura can deliver as promised. 350+ hp 30/30/30 mpg and sh awd then that's something I don't think any of the other flagships can currently touch. talk about advance.

Haters comments will be ignored

phile

right....cause we're here to please you . You can drop this at any time yourself, like I've been telling you, take your own advice. But like the hypocrite holding the mirror, you keep pointing the finger at other people. You're not fooling anybody.

Yup. And thanks to AZ's search function, and since this was very recent and I knew which thread it was in, it actually didn't take that much time. At all.

Oh by the way, since you're trying to make it seem like I have no life coming here as if all for you (I'm on AZ everyday, but that's my business), how are you doing this fine Saturday? Here...also...on AZ...

vybzkartel

Is this the same Acurazine I joined 8 years ago, or this some sort of new kindergarten online community?!

BTW, I'm on VTECRacer's and HAWAII-TSX's side. Yes, I'm a Honda/Acura FANBOY to! That's why I joined this site all these years ago. Not to come on here and whine like a little child that didn't get that new pair of Jordans that he asked for!

Y'all other guys keep trying to beat that horse to death...and we all know that horse is dead already!

vybzkartel

Another thing...if I was driving a BMW,M-B, Lexus, etc, I wouldn't see the point in me coming on here and trying to feed y'all with some sort of BS that my car is better than H/A.

ttribe

Congratulations on completely missing the point of the discussion.

dom

I'm not going to bother to go back and read through all this BS. Drop it. Next person to post something not related to the RL gets a week off.

Hate having to say that. Christ.

biker

MTEAZY

Yumcha

Nope...if the peeps in here are smart, there will be no more discussion worthy of or we'll be more than happy to pass out free vacations!

HAWAII-TSX

does anyone know what other acuras will offer the sh sh awd and 7 spd dual clutch trans.

I understand that it will debut on the rlx but will be on the next mdx and nsx but im wondering if anyone knows if it will end up on the tl or tlx or mainly zdx (if its still around that is). Sorry if I posted this in the wrong place but I figure I would get the most answers from here.

Thanks in "ADVANCE"

Type34

You're showing luxury stalwarts like the E-class, where MB has had years of building a solid customer base that would more than likely expect a conservative design.

Acura has swung and missed ever since they renamed the "Legend" and IMO, cannot afford to be so conservative. They're now rolling out the "RLX" name, but with no USP (unique selling proposition) that would attract new customers. I mean really, why would a luxury buyer choose this vehicle over the established competition?

One way is design (think Chrysler 300C, we know 300s weren't moving off the lots because of quality). In staying conservative, perhaps the strategy is to capture TL owners moving up, but I'm not sure that's going to be enough to move the sales charts much. I hope my speculation is wrong.

We can just agree to disagree.

F23A4

In our conversation regarding the RLX concept, rep from Acura tried to pitch the USP as being the hybrid powertrain and precision AWS. While the technology is terrific, I can't say if it'll be enough to compel buyers to select this over its contemporaries.

Legend2TL

I just find the more mainstream luxury sedans (A8, S, 7) have fairly conservative styling with the off mainstream willing to take a different path. Acura couldn't afford any radical changes here, they are sticking to what sells most in this class. Similar apprach to the 2G Oddy as well.

Not sure since I think everyone approaches vehicle selection differently. Most likely I think most potential owners will be previous Honda/Acura owners. Not sure they will attract many German converts but everyone is different.

Legend2TL

I agree, this is a concerning area since in many ways it looks like a FWD gas/electric and electric RWD. So although neat and novel (Ferrari rumored to try the opposite), it may not be enough.

Black Tire

Agreed. Korean cars is where the tech/style is now.

iforyou

iTrader: (1)

The best for us Acura enthusiasts is to have both - one conversative sedan like the RLX and one stylish model that can compete against A7, CLS, etc. They did it with the MDX and ZDX, they should be able to do the same with the RLX (but make it practical and pretty please).

The next NSX will have 7-spd DSG and SH SHAWD.

I probably missed it but what's USP again?

Legend2TL

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unique_selling_proposition

MeehowsBRZ

At this point in time that seems like asking too much from them unfortunately.

Edward'TLS

Yes, it's really too much in asking at this time.

Acura needs to breakthrough the $50K sedan price barrier first.

If the next gen. RL/RLX can succeed, anything above it can become possible.

iforyou

iTrader: (1)

Yes, haha, it's just a scenario that would make us happy.

TSX69

2013 Acura RLX May Be Built in the US

A “perfect storm” of market conditions may prompt Honda to move assembly of its upcoming flagship, the 2013 Acura RLX, from Japan to the United States.

1st, the stigma that U.S.-built luxury cars can’t rival the build quality of Japanese or German models is no longer valid. BMW builds X3 and X6 models in Spartanburg, South Carolina for worldwide distribution, and Mercedes-Benz builds M Class, R Class and GL Class models in Tuscaloosa, Alabama.

Even Acura’s flagship sports coupe, the upcoming NSX hybrid, will be designed and built on these shores. It makes sense, then, that Acura’s flagship sedan, rumored to benefit from the same type of hybrid all-wheel-drive layout (in range-topping models, anyway) will also be built in the United States.

Confirmation seems to come from The Japan Times (via Carscoop), which reports that Honda will halt production of 2 sedan models at its plant in Saitama Prefecture, Japan. On that list is the Honda Legend, sold here as the current Acura RL.

There are financial reasons to move production to the U.S. as well. A strong Japanese yen and a weak U.S. dollar mean that it’s expensive to build cars in Japan, requiring automakers to raise prices or accept lower margins. Domestic production would help to lower costs and preserve margins, putting more money in Honda’s coffers.

Honda desperately needs the RL’s replacement to be a hit, since it’s sold just 182 RL sedans through May of this year. That’s down from 766 units in the same period of 2011, a sales decline of over 76%.

Moog-Type-S

Nothing shocking here. Japanese automakers cannot build in Japan and sell in the U.S. and try to make a good profit. Strong Yen and weaker dollar is killing them.

biker

So now all Acuras will be built in the US. Why do I have a feeling that will be trumpeted by some marketing genius?

Belzebutt

It looks better in motion in this video because:
a) It has huge wheels that (knowing Acura) you will never be able to actually buy.
b) It has little extra touches like ground effects that are on the concept and not in the actual car and make it look more agressive.

It's basically a generic-looking Japanese car with nice LED lights. What really kills it is the FWD-induced huge front overhang, always Acura's Achilles' heel.

Yumcha

I don't hate it. Just that, wish Honda/Acura could've done more for a car in that pricepoint/market.

I will however wait to see it in person and hopefully can go around in one before I commence with the venom and spew.

iforyou

iTrader: (1)

I mean the car looks better when it is in motion, rather than simply looking at the photos from the autoshow. Perhaps the color helps as well as silver is pretty much the most bland color? The front overhang doesn't bother me that much.....but I can see why people are upset about it.

Belzebutt

This video is careful to show the car from the best angles, I can guarantee they purposely try to hide the overhang. I agree the car looks better on this video than in pictures, but that's Acura: design good-looking cars you can't buy, and sell average or ugly-looking cars at the dealerships.

MeehowsBRZ

Just watched the video again... however picked that song should be fired. It's sleep inducing.

oonowindoo

I normally have no problem with similar styles. But i seriously won't be able to tell the difference between a 5/7 series and this.....

what s the MSRP on this? Acura can shove it if they want anything over $50k for it

Legend2TL

^ I fully expect the AWD version to be in the mid-$50K

The current RL MSRP starts at $48K up to $56K, so this next model will probably be above that.

HAWAII-TSX

if it reviews well in performance and fuel economy I would pay $60 - $67k for a top of the line model. I would not pay $70 or over for it. I know the lexus hybrid LS is about 100k and prob handles badly. Infiniti M56x AWD Starting at: $61,700* I think if they keep the the top of the line under 70k that would be fair. considering hybrid 370hp 7spd dsg sh awd and 30/30/30 mpg.

It will have to top the charts in handling and performance to put it back on the radar though which I think is the hardest challenge.

Legend2TL

, the 3G TL concept was virtually identical to the production except for the mirrors. The ILX also looks identical to the concept save for the big wheels and Brembo calipers. I can't think of anything that was promoted as a concept that didn't make it to the showrooms in almost the same styling.

ttribe

The 3G TL is starting to look more and more like an outlier in many respects.

Edward'TLS

When the Lexus LS first came out at $40K, it was first well received, then the price continued to increase to today's level.

Remember that the RL model has yet to overcome the $50K price barrier, and it's sales figure spells out that the RL is neither popular nor well received. So a big jump on the price tag is never a good idea, before the RL/RLX name is established and received well.

One other method is to give the RL-replacement a clean sheet. Drop the "RL" model name, and create a new one for the RL-replacement. Let's say "ZLX".

This way, the "ZLX" will now appear to the auto market as a completely new Acura model class, and has absolutely no relationship whatsoever to the poorly performed RL model. Any bad aftertaste resulting from the RL model is erased forever from memory.

Now that the "ZLX" has a fresh start, and thus can set the price tag freely.

HAWAII-TSX

good points about lexus price and name.

I think they should change the name completely and wash there hands of RL and start fresh with a new flagship.

If the new flagship scores well against the competition in reviews then the name, price, design(cause this is personal) and brand will be less of an issue for purchasers. $65k for a top of the line best in class car would make it a good deal.

I am more of a value guy than a name or prestige guy. anyone going after prestige would not buy an acura imho.