Acura: RLX News
11-15-2012, 12:27 AM
#3481
6G TLX-S
Considering that even with the base price of $48K and top-of-the-line price of $56K, the 2012 SH-AWD RL doesn't do too well.
How on earth is Acura gonna sell this upcoming base FWD RLX sedan (with equally bland styling as the outgoing model) tagged with a $55K estimated price ?
Let's hope that the official MSRP will be a lot lower than these Autoweek's estimated pricing.
How on earth is Acura gonna sell this upcoming base FWD RLX sedan (with equally bland styling as the outgoing model) tagged with a $55K estimated price ?
Let's hope that the official MSRP will be a lot lower than these Autoweek's estimated pricing.
11-15-2012, 01:33 AM
#3483
price will doom this car. too bad cause it's probably the best iteration of the RL to date.
11-15-2012, 10:43 AM
#3484
AZ Community Team
11-15-2012, 02:25 PM
#3485
Team Owner
regardless FWD or RWD or whatever WD, ES350 will sell at any price... as long as it is cheaper than GS.
People will pay more for ES150 than Acura if that even exists, simply because it is a Lexus.
that shows you how important brand is. an average BMW 528 is in the mid $50k range, full loaded over $60k
People will gladly take a 528 than an "Advance" Super Handling fully loaded Accord sized RLX...
The only way that Acura will be successful with RLX is to make it bigger with better design and road presence. (Hyundai Genesis Sedan for example).
Something like the size and luxury and performance of a 7 series/LS/S Class, at the price of 5 series/GS/E Class.
RLX will fail big time if acura thinks it can go head to head with 5 series/GS/E Class.
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11-15-2012, 04:54 PM
#3486
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I think the interior size of the RLX, at least from what Acura is saying, is that it will be as large as 7-series/LS/S Class. At 50-60k, it will be priced around 5-series/GS/E Class.
IMO, the new design looks good and has good road presence.
Two concerns, is Acura brand good enough to attract buyers with a budget of around $50-$60k? Is it going to be okay if the exterior is smaller but with a large interior?
IMO, the new design looks good and has good road presence.
Two concerns, is Acura brand good enough to attract buyers with a budget of around $50-$60k? Is it going to be okay if the exterior is smaller but with a large interior?
11-15-2012, 05:30 PM
#3487
Midnight Marauder
11-15-2012, 06:15 PM
#3488
Race Director
It depends on what is success - to Honda is could be as few as 500/mo in sales. Compared to others in its class (5, A6, Genesis, E, XTS, M, GS) 500 a month is total fail. Heck, even Tesla will sell that many by next year.
11-16-2012, 01:04 AM
#3489
6G TLX-S
The main point is comparing between the 2G RL and the 3G RL(RLX). If buyers are already not accepting the $50K 2G RL (even with SH-AWD), what makes them now to embrace the $55K (estimated by Autoweek) RL-replacement (FWD base trim) ?
Remember that the "RL" model name is ruined, and the Acura plate has trouble selling a $50+K premium sedan, which unfortunately carries the "RL" designation.
However, if Acura were to dump the "RL" model name altogether, and created another name for the upcoming flagship sedan, let say "XL" for example; this new flagship sedan might have a better chance to become successful.
Just completely wipe clean the "RL" name from people's memory. Start a new page in Acura's history. Bring out a brand new Acura flagship sedan - the "XL". Don't ever mention that it is to replace the failed "RL" sedan.
Market the "XL" such that it is positioned even above the failed "RL" model. Then it is possible to tag it with the higher-than-before $55K starting price.
Now, a new Acura model line, a new Acura premium sedan, an even more upscale Acura flagship, and a new beginning in Acura's history.
11-16-2012, 01:34 AM
#3490
Comparing with sedans from other auto makers is all irrelevant here.
The main point is comparing between the 2G RL and the 3G RL(RLX). If buyers are already not accepting the $50K 2G RL (even with SH-AWD), what makes them now to embrace the $55K (estimated by Autoweek) RL-replacement (FWD base trim) ?
Remember that the "RL" model name is ruined, and the Acura plate has trouble selling a $50+K premium sedan, which unfortunately carries the "RL" designation.
However, if Acura were to dump the "RL" model name altogether, and created another name for the upcoming flagship sedan, let say "XL" for example; this new flagship sedan might have a better chance to become successful.
Just completely wipe clean the "RL" name from people's memory. Start a new page in Acura's history. Bring out a brand new Acura flagship sedan - the "XL". Don't ever mention that it is to replace the failed "RL" sedan.
Market the "XL" such that it is positioned even above the failed "RL" model. Then it is possible to tag it with the higher-than-before $55K starting price.
Now, a new Acura model line, a new Acura premium sedan, an even more upscale Acura flagship, and a new beginning in Acura's history.
The main point is comparing between the 2G RL and the 3G RL(RLX). If buyers are already not accepting the $50K 2G RL (even with SH-AWD), what makes them now to embrace the $55K (estimated by Autoweek) RL-replacement (FWD base trim) ?
Remember that the "RL" model name is ruined, and the Acura plate has trouble selling a $50+K premium sedan, which unfortunately carries the "RL" designation.
However, if Acura were to dump the "RL" model name altogether, and created another name for the upcoming flagship sedan, let say "XL" for example; this new flagship sedan might have a better chance to become successful.
Just completely wipe clean the "RL" name from people's memory. Start a new page in Acura's history. Bring out a brand new Acura flagship sedan - the "XL". Don't ever mention that it is to replace the failed "RL" sedan.
Market the "XL" such that it is positioned even above the failed "RL" model. Then it is possible to tag it with the higher-than-before $55K starting price.
Now, a new Acura model line, a new Acura premium sedan, an even more upscale Acura flagship, and a new beginning in Acura's history.
There is nothing common between 2G RL and RLX.
RLX FWD will be 25% more fuel efficient.
full 1 second faster to 0-60mph. there will be noticeable real world braod torque delivery.
comfort and NVH levels will be right at S class level. longer wheel base allow it.
full LED lights like higher end Audis. that not even option on base Audis.
handling at top of the class. Not compromised by harsh ride of sport suspension.
I predict this FWD RLX will handle better than all RWD sedan if they are not equiped with sport suspension. or special version like F sport.
http://www.motorauthority.com/news/1...w-drive/page-2
There’s one other big advantage of Precision All Wheel Steer: more stable braking. On abrupt stops, no matter the speed, the RLX system kicks the toe in smoothly up to a maximum, to help keep the rear wheels more stable.
11-16-2012, 06:43 AM
#3491
Race Director
http://www.motorauthority.com/news/1...w-drive/page-2
There’s one other big advantage of Precision All Wheel Steer: more stable braking. On abrupt stops, no matter the speed, the RLX system kicks the toe in smoothly up to a maximum, to help keep the rear wheels more stable.
There’s one other big advantage of Precision All Wheel Steer: more stable braking. On abrupt stops, no matter the speed, the RLX system kicks the toe in smoothly up to a maximum, to help keep the rear wheels more stable.
11-16-2012, 11:01 AM
#3492
but it is only the informed buyers that look at GS-F Sport, A6 Prestige S line or
M sport package BMWs. FWD RLX is competing against the later. It will come standard alteast 18inch if not 19inch. The level of performance/equipment/handling/braking/NVH will be beyond the competition.
11-16-2012, 11:44 AM
#3494
Moderator
Avg buyer will look at ES350/GS/A6/528. standard rims 17inch.
but it is only the informed buyers that look at GS-F Sport, A6 Prestige S line or
M sport package BMWs. FWD RLX is competing against the later. It will come standard alteast 18inch if not 19inch. The level of performance/equipment/handling/braking/NVH will be beyond the competition.
but it is only the informed buyers that look at GS-F Sport, A6 Prestige S line or
M sport package BMWs. FWD RLX is competing against the later. It will come standard alteast 18inch if not 19inch. The level of performance/equipment/handling/braking/NVH will be beyond the competition.
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11-16-2012, 01:13 PM
#3495
Some dude
LOL. Because making fun of the "ILX" name wasn't bad enough.
Avg buyer will look at ES350/GS/A6/528. standard rims 17inch.
but it is only the informed buyers that look at GS-F Sport, A6 Prestige S line or
M sport package BMWs. FWD RLX is competing against the later. It will come standard alteast 18inch if not 19inch. The level of performance/equipment/handling/braking/NVH will be beyond the competition.
but it is only the informed buyers that look at GS-F Sport, A6 Prestige S line or
M sport package BMWs. FWD RLX is competing against the later. It will come standard alteast 18inch if not 19inch. The level of performance/equipment/handling/braking/NVH will be beyond the competition.
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11-16-2012, 01:58 PM
#3496
6G TLX-S
Avg buyer will look at ES350/GS/A6/528. standard rims 17inch.
but it is only the informed buyers that look at GS-F Sport, A6 Prestige S line or
M sport package BMWs. FWD RLX is competing against the later. It will come standard alteast 18inch if not 19inch. The level of performance/equipment/handling/braking/NVH will be beyond the competition.
but it is only the informed buyers that look at GS-F Sport, A6 Prestige S line or
M sport package BMWs. FWD RLX is competing against the later. It will come standard alteast 18inch if not 19inch. The level of performance/equipment/handling/braking/NVH will be beyond the competition.
BMW/MB/Lexus/Audi > Acura.
11-16-2012, 06:58 PM
#3497
11-17-2012, 08:25 AM
#3498
328 looked and feel very subpar product in fit and finish compared to Acura. I can curb my TSX and still it will not misaligned. couple of time it went over the curb and still its fine. I simply cannot do it with BMW. BMW resale value simply collapse. they dont have any prestige and reputation left after 2 or 3 years.
See this example of 2008 M5. It is rarest BMW and still it loses more than 60% of its value in 4 year.
http://acuraoffremont.com/Fremont-CA...-Car/13455588/
Another 528Xi 2010. 60% lost value. in 2 years despite being rare 6MT sport model.
http://acuraoffremont.com/Fremont-CA...-Car/13814532/
RLX will be class of its own. you cannot compare it with commodity product like BMW 5 series.
11-17-2012, 10:06 AM
#3499
Moderator
brand prestige is built on product. my friend bought a 2013 328i on cash at more than 10% price cut without even negotiating. i find it cheaper than TL considering the amount of technology, new shape and 4 year free maintianance. So Acura has more prestige since people are paying more for it for given amount of technology/service.
328 looked and feel very subpar product in fit and finish compared to Acura. I can curb my TSX and still it will not misaligned. couple of time it went over the curb and still its fine. I simply cannot do it with BMW. BMW resale value simply collapse. they dont have any prestige and reputation left after 2 or 3 years.
See this example of 2008 M5. It is rarest BMW and still it loses more than 60% of its value in 4 year.
http://acuraoffremont.com/Fremont-CA...-Car/13455588/
Another 528Xi 2010. 60% lost value. in 2 years despite being rare 6MT sport model.
http://acuraoffremont.com/Fremont-CA...-Car/13814532/
RLX will be class of its own. you cannot compare it with commodity product like BMW 5 series.
328 looked and feel very subpar product in fit and finish compared to Acura. I can curb my TSX and still it will not misaligned. couple of time it went over the curb and still its fine. I simply cannot do it with BMW. BMW resale value simply collapse. they dont have any prestige and reputation left after 2 or 3 years.
See this example of 2008 M5. It is rarest BMW and still it loses more than 60% of its value in 4 year.
http://acuraoffremont.com/Fremont-CA...-Car/13455588/
Another 528Xi 2010. 60% lost value. in 2 years despite being rare 6MT sport model.
http://acuraoffremont.com/Fremont-CA...-Car/13814532/
RLX will be class of its own. you cannot compare it with commodity product like BMW 5 series.
I get it now...SSFTX is a comedian!
Measuring product quality based on ability to "curb" the car! Good one!
11-17-2012, 10:27 AM
#3500
Registered TL Owner
brand prestige is built on product. my friend bought a 2013 328i on cash at more than 10% price cut without even negotiating. i find it cheaper than TL considering the amount of technology, new shape and 4 year free maintianance. So Acura has more prestige since people are paying more for it for given amount of technology/service.
328 looked and feel very subpar product in fit and finish compared to Acura. I can curb my TSX and still it will not misaligned. couple of time it went over the curb and still its fine. I simply cannot do it with BMW. BMW resale value simply collapse. they dont have any prestige and reputation left after 2 or 3 years.
See this example of 2008 M5. It is rarest BMW and still it loses more than 60% of its value in 4 year.
http://acuraoffremont.com/Fremont-CA...-Car/13455588/
Another 528Xi 2010. 60% lost value. in 2 years despite being rare 6MT sport model.
http://acuraoffremont.com/Fremont-CA...-Car/13814532/
RLX will be class of its own. you cannot compare it with commodity product like BMW 5 series.
328 looked and feel very subpar product in fit and finish compared to Acura. I can curb my TSX and still it will not misaligned. couple of time it went over the curb and still its fine. I simply cannot do it with BMW. BMW resale value simply collapse. they dont have any prestige and reputation left after 2 or 3 years.
See this example of 2008 M5. It is rarest BMW and still it loses more than 60% of its value in 4 year.
http://acuraoffremont.com/Fremont-CA...-Car/13455588/
Another 528Xi 2010. 60% lost value. in 2 years despite being rare 6MT sport model.
http://acuraoffremont.com/Fremont-CA...-Car/13814532/
RLX will be class of its own. you cannot compare it with commodity product like BMW 5 series.
11-17-2012, 01:05 PM
#3501
Honda is #1 and BMW is #25. it is long term reliability. Most BMW and Honda are built in EU.
http://www.whatcar.com/car-news/what...duction/263555
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It is like an afterthought with overimposing size and not good for street parking in areas where people will consider it as Ipad and need to be taken out.
11-17-2012, 03:44 PM
#3502
אני עומד עם ישראל
Honda has more prestige than BMW 
11-17-2012, 03:47 PM
#3503
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11-17-2012, 04:41 PM
#3504
Three Wheelin'
You don't like rattles... and yet you bought, and own a Honda?
http://world.honda.com/news/2012/c12...les/index.html
Clearly North America produces the most amount of Honda Automobiles world wide... 814K vs 78K...
Don't have the BMW numbers split up the way Honda does... but I'd venture to say the figures are flipped....
11-17-2012, 11:57 PM
#3505
bwahahhahaha
You don't like rattles... and yet you bought, and own a Honda?
http://world.honda.com/news/2012/c12...les/index.html
Clearly North America produces the most amount of Honda Automobiles world wide... 814K vs 78K...
Don't have the BMW numbers split up the way Honda does... but I'd venture to say the figures are flipped....
You don't like rattles... and yet you bought, and own a Honda?
http://world.honda.com/news/2012/c12...les/index.html
Clearly North America produces the most amount of Honda Automobiles world wide... 814K vs 78K...
Don't have the BMW numbers split up the way Honda does... but I'd venture to say the figures are flipped....
Honda models in EU has much electronic gadgets as Acura. so chances of breakdown are higher there. American Honda are more cheaper version. Its Acura that should be compared to EU Hondas.
see Euro Civic seats. that makes introducing ILX superflous in EU.
when indepth study of depreciation and maintainance is done alone with real world fuel economy. Honda came on top even better than small diesel for VW and others.
http://www.parkers.co.uk/cars/advice...2-the-winners/
The Honda Civic is the overall winner in this year’s New Car Awards 2012 proving that British-built cars offer great value for money as well as quality.
The Awards are based on figures collated by Parkers’ Cost of Motoring tool that calculates all of the true costs associated with owning and running a new car, including fuel consumption, depreciation, servicing, showroom and road tax.
The Honda Civic is the overall winner in this year’s New Car Awards 2012 proving that British-built cars offer great value for money as well as quality.
The Awards are based on figures collated by Parkers’ Cost of Motoring tool that calculates all of the true costs associated with owning and running a new car, including fuel consumption, depreciation, servicing, showroom and road tax.
11-18-2012, 12:16 AM
#3506
Whats up with RDX owners?
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If Hondas European division is on par with Hondas luxury division, they've got bigger problems.
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11-18-2012, 06:10 PM
#3507
Racer
Here's a thead from e90 post on bmw e92 rattles. I have a 2011 bmw e92 my 4th bmw.
http://www.e90post.com/forums/showth...ht=E92+RATTLES
All of my BMW's rattled. I have had 4 Acuras which all had rattles too. IMHO my Acuras had less rattles and less problems than my BMWs. My brother has a 2012 Acura MDX and it does not rattle.
I spent more money on my ZDX than my BMW. I would buy a $60000 RLX if it is better in performance reliability and more fuel efficient than a $60000 bmw 5 series.
My Brothers $55000 MDX advance is better than my X5 3.0si was for a similar price.
Just my thoughts.
http://www.e90post.com/forums/showth...ht=E92+RATTLES
All of my BMW's rattled. I have had 4 Acuras which all had rattles too. IMHO my Acuras had less rattles and less problems than my BMWs. My brother has a 2012 Acura MDX and it does not rattle.
I spent more money on my ZDX than my BMW. I would buy a $60000 RLX if it is better in performance reliability and more fuel efficient than a $60000 bmw 5 series.
My Brothers $55000 MDX advance is better than my X5 3.0si was for a similar price.
Just my thoughts.
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11-18-2012, 06:52 PM
#3508
Moderator
Here's a thead from e90 post on bmw e92 rattles. I have a 2011 bmw e92 my 4th bmw.
http://www.e90post.com/forums/showth...ht=E92+RATTLES
All of my BMW's rattled. I have had 4 Acuras which all had rattles too. IMHO my Acuras had less rattles and less problems than my BMWs. My brother has a 2012 Acura MDX and it does not rattle.
I spent more money on my ZDX than my BMW. I would buy a $60000 RLX if it is better in performance reliability and more fuel efficient than a $60000 bmw 5 series.
My Brothers $55000 MDX advance is better than my X5 3.0si was for a similar price.
Just my thoughts.
http://www.e90post.com/forums/showth...ht=E92+RATTLES
All of my BMW's rattled. I have had 4 Acuras which all had rattles too. IMHO my Acuras had less rattles and less problems than my BMWs. My brother has a 2012 Acura MDX and it does not rattle.
I spent more money on my ZDX than my BMW. I would buy a $60000 RLX if it is better in performance reliability and more fuel efficient than a $60000 bmw 5 series.
My Brothers $55000 MDX advance is better than my X5 3.0si was for a similar price.
Just my thoughts.
11-18-2012, 07:11 PM
#3509
Three Wheelin'
I guess I have been lucky, 13 Acura's and only one that had a rattle was my Vigor and the Service Mgr took it home over a weekend, tracked it down and fixed it. Also owned 3 Hondas, 2 Mazda's no rattles. All of these imports were purchased new mind you. Now my 49 Ford, 59 Belair, 70 Chevelle, 65 Beaumont, had a few. 69 GMC pickup had lots. The worst was 70 Mustang, was Mgrs demo, spent over 3 months of the 6 months I owned it in the shop and the best they could was reduce the loudness of the front end rattle and I traded it for my first import and have had imports ever since.
11-18-2012, 07:39 PM
#3510
Moderator
I guess I have been lucky, 13 Acura's and only one that had a rattle was my Vigor and the Service Mgr took it home over a weekend, tracked it down and fixed it. Also owned 3 Hondas, 2 Mazda's no rattles. All of these imports were purchased new mind you. Now my 49 Ford, 59 Belair, 70 Chevelle, 65 Beaumont, had a few. 69 GMC pickup had lots. The worst was 70 Mustang, was Mgrs demo, spent over 3 months of the 6 months I owned it in the shop and the best they could was reduce the loudness of the front end rattle and I traded it for my first import and have had imports ever since.
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11-18-2012, 07:42 PM
#3511
Moderator
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The RLX's dashboard looks like it's pregnant with the A/C controls and such coming out at an arc like that 
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11-18-2012, 09:15 PM
#3512
said it before, then said it again. Then did it another time, and I definitely wasn't the only one.You guys only have yourselves to blame for SSFTSX, ignore a troll and he'll eventually go away.
11-18-2012, 11:00 PM
#3513
11-18-2012, 11:13 PM
#3514
Moderator
In short, my position has long been as follows - I have owned 2 Acuras and 4 Hondas. They were great cars. In the last 5 years it has been my observation that Honda and Acura have lost some of the things that made them great. I lament that fact and am willing to discuss that here with fellow enthusiasts. I am brand loyal to nothing at this point; BMW included (a company which makes plenty of boneheaded moves, IMO).
11-18-2012, 11:15 PM
#3515
Most BMWs users have this problem. After using BMW for couple of models. they fail to recognize a quality product. so you see them switiching between BMW and Hyundai.
The newest Euro Civic 1.6L diesel. (world lightest diesel engine in its class) is 1350 to 1450kg+ vehicle. . can you imagine Civic 1.6L manual on Honda city platform is heavier than auto 2.0L BMW 3 series. This level of quality and reliability shows up in vehicle weight
The newest Euro Civic 1.6L diesel. (world lightest diesel engine in its class) is 1350 to 1450kg+ vehicle. . can you imagine Civic 1.6L manual on Honda city platform is heavier than auto 2.0L BMW 3 series. This level of quality and reliability shows up in vehicle weight
11-18-2012, 11:25 PM
#3516
You are making a series of assumptions in this post that demonstrate a profound ignorance of my posting history; not to mention demonstrating your willingness to engage in intellectual short cuts by applying stereotypes in broad strokes.
In short, my position has long been as follows - I have owned 2 Acuras and 4 Hondas. They were great cars. In the last 5 years it has been my observation that Honda and Acura have lost some of the things that made them great. I lament that fact and am willing to discuss that here with fellow enthusiasts. I am brand loyal to nothing at this point; BMW included (a company which makes plenty of boneheaded moves, IMO).
In short, my position has long been as follows - I have owned 2 Acuras and 4 Hondas. They were great cars. In the last 5 years it has been my observation that Honda and Acura have lost some of the things that made them great. I lament that fact and am willing to discuss that here with fellow enthusiasts. I am brand loyal to nothing at this point; BMW included (a company which makes plenty of boneheaded moves, IMO).
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11-19-2012, 02:22 AM
#3517
אני עומד עם ישראל
My step dad loves his 2013 550i. That car is built like a tank and oozes quality.
11-19-2012, 08:55 AM
#3518
Moderator
11-19-2012, 05:57 PM
#3519
W-t-f?????????????
What the hell is up with the LED headlights? Has Acura learned nothing from the "Beak?" can't wait to hear the nickname for this product. "Eight Eyes?"
Recockulus looking IMHO
Recockulus looking IMHO
11-19-2012, 08:12 PM
#3520
▒JDM ¥ KING▒
^
Hello?!
"Jewel Eye LED"
I'm sure you knew:
http://www.acura.com/future/RLX#5
http://www.acura.com/future/RLX#7
On the other hand Legend and Inspire/Accord are not in JDM line-up, not even in Mugen one?!
http://www.honda.co.jp/auto/
http://www.mugen-power.com/automobile/
I can't remember, but I wonder if they do a few months break between models in Japan, or Honda sends a clear message about future global line-ups!
Hopefully there will still be a Legend/Inspire/Accord combo in JP.
Hello?!
"Jewel Eye LED"
I'm sure you knew:
http://www.acura.com/future/RLX#5
http://www.acura.com/future/RLX#7
On the other hand Legend and Inspire/Accord are not in JDM line-up, not even in Mugen one?!
http://www.honda.co.jp/auto/
http://www.mugen-power.com/automobile/
I can't remember, but I wonder if they do a few months break between models in Japan, or Honda sends a clear message about future global line-ups!
Hopefully there will still be a Legend/Inspire/Accord combo in JP.