GreenMonster

I'm hoping, wishing, praying that that is the case...

Maybe they will bring back the old CL name, eh ??

Fibonacci

Don't think I have the patience to wait that long. After we get settled into our new home this fall, I'm gonna have an itchy trigger finger.

fsttyms1

Yea dead grass

dom

Japanese Mag-X is reporting that Honda has gone back to the drawing board and is once again considering mid engine for the next NSX.

http://www.vtec.net/news/news-item?news_item_id=719135

fsttyms1

Oh for fucks sake Honda. Grow a set of balls, Get some good designers already and give us a NEW NSX already!

Sly Raskal

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Yumcha

and

TommySalami

This is turning into the ***new 2015 NSX News*** thread

Sly Raskal

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We may as well lock the thread and any new thread about the next gen NSX that starts up.

We're better off spending our time talking about other brands that are actually doing something.

Acura needs to change their name to ADDCURA, they can't stay on point and they sure as hell don't know what the hell they are doing anymore. Hence why Infiniti and Lexus are killing them.

Perfect example, the RL should be a model competing with the likes of the LS, 7 series, A8, Q etc. They would then have more room to either add more models, or be able to leverage more trim levels for their current lineup, TSX, TSX-S, TL, TL-S (finally have that after a few years). RDX, RDX-S, MDX, MDX-S. They share engines all over the place anyway, so how would offering different trim levels in the models hurt them. How about more options for the models too. This one size fits all (making all options standard) is if you ask me. Basically they are catering now to the lazy consumer that doesn't want to take the time to fiddle with actually customizing a car the way THEY want it and not the way the BRAND expects it to be. Audi and Bimmer offer tons of options and the a3, a4, 3.28 pricing is still in the ballpark of the TSX and TL-S pricing and their options are nicer too.

If Acura wants to segment itself away from Honda, stop thinking like HONDA for damn sake. Think like the other upper tiered manufacturers do. It's worked for them for the last 5 years and they've surpassed you guys. I'm ready to send them a smiley.

Ok that's my Acura rant for the day.

mrdeeno

^^ Hater!!!

Sly Raskal

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I used to absolutely love the brand. And if I ever buy a used car it WILL be an Integra GS-R Sedan. I still drive my '03 CL-S around. It was a nice car for the year it was developed. My next one though, isn't going to be an Acura.

How much has acura changed in the last 5 years compared to Infiniti and Lexus. Not very much if you ask me.

dom

Great, another Acura sucks thread to add to the pile.

Moog-Type-S

That pretty much sums it up!

JediMindTricks

mrdeeno

I was being sarcastic with the hater comment...

but if you posted anything even twice as tame as you did over in the RL or RDX sections, you'd be labeled a hater.

Even mentioning the words "RL", "sales", and "sucks" in the same post gets you labeled a hater and questions like "Why are you even on Acurazine...you don't even own one!? Get out troll! You're a fanboy!"

FWIW I still love the brand, but when I was ready to move up from the CL-S, I was expecting the RL, a car that MSRP'd for almost $20k more than the CL-S, to blow me away. It was little more than puff if anything, which is why I ended up with an M45 sport.

SpicyMikey

Don't post that stuff in the RL section. I own an RL and hang out there a lot. Deeno's right. You'll get flamed eventhough you're right on.

majin ssj eric

I just don't understand why Honda is scrapping the NSX formula of light weight, mid engine, RWD success? The NSX has for years been Honda's technological flagship, the "Japanese Ferrari" if you will. Toyota is working on a Front-engine GT, Nissan's GT-R is a front-engine GT. Why in the hell is Honda playing follow the leader? They should build a proper NSX with mid-engine and RWD, stick their supposed V10 in it and call it a day. They would then be the only japanese manufacturer with a true supercar able to stand toe-to-toe with Ferrari. But we all know how Honda operates. They'd never let a great idea like that get in the way of remaining boring, conservative, and utterly predictable. Go Team Red (sarcasticly)!

mrdeeno

Well, it looks like the glory days were around the time the 1st generation NSX was introduced. Acura was not only the first Japanese luxury brand in the late 80's, but they introduced the first production VTEC type system, the first Japanese "exotic", the first aluminum chassis/bodied production car.

It seems they have no desire to repeat those glory days, and they've been going down hill ever since, with a couple successful blips (sales success based strongly on "value"), but nothing like back then when people thought of Acura for more than just "value".

afici0nad0

+1

"acura. advance." sure, buddy...

GreenMonster

There's a reason why I'm in the BMW 1-series thread alot now

It looks like Acura is more interested in making SUV's, Sedans, and Crossovers than making coupes:

http://www.vtec.net/news/news-item?news_item_id=719441

The "sub-nsx" coupe (aka CL replacement) has been removed from vtec's future model matrix and replaced with a crossover

SpicyMikey

ANOTHER SUV? They already have two and that's probably one too many. I hope this is a sick rumor because if they put another SUV in the showroom before they add a coupe, convertible, or NSX replacement, I will be convinced no one is steering this ship anymore.

Costco

Acura is

Suggested future article name: Introducing the 2015 2nd generation NSX. Powered by a SH-AVTEC V12, with the drivetrain platform not yet decided.

All they care about is making money. Who cares, then? Brand loyalty gets you nowhere, as you can see. They're obviously no longer capable of competing in the sport coupe market, hence the death of the NSX, Integra and CL.

If I were searching for a $30,000-$40,000 sport coupe, I would look towards a 3-series or G35 coupe. If you can wait, I would wait and see what the next Camaro will be like. GM has won me over, I'm excited to see what the next Camaro will be like, the MMC for the 2009+ Camaro will probably be out just in time for when I'm done with school.

iforyou

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Integra/RSX was cut because Honda wanted to improve the brand image of Acura. NSX was outdated but then 7:56 at Nurburgring in a 280hp with 2800lbs isn't too shabby.

swift22

can someone please prove me wrong...

They say they are changing design because of two reason, the FE layout/AWD isnt doing enough for them and chewing tires up, and the market isnt interested in that.

Um......its called the GT-R and it just whooped your A$$ Acura and is making it around the ring faster with a 3.7TT V6 AWD vs your V10 AWD ....

vishnus11

because you timed both cars around the nurburgring right?

The next gen NSX is targeting the 911TT - so it will be faster around the ring that one. A GT-R is only 2 seconds faster around the ring than a 911TT. I don't think the NSX would be getting any kind of "ass whooping"

I understand they want to make the car perfect, but this is starting to get a little out of hand. The layout for the next gen NSX should have been set in stone a long time ago. When Fukui promised a V10, they should have tested it, reconsidered and moved on. Bad move on Fukui's part on promising an engine, that while I'm sure is great, just does not suit the application. I could care less if this thing had a V6 again - as long as it can produce the required amounts of power and torque and exquisite fashion, I'm good. Personally, a light low revving V8 that follows the Caparo T1's engine philosphy would be a great choice.

I think SH-AWD goes against the lightweight, balanced mission of the car, but an aggresively calibrated system would be unstoppable on the track.

As far as Acura goes, 08 was always going to be a stagnant year. All their replacements are coming out in 08 and 09 and if the NSX makes it by 2010, Acura will be in a great position to market their stuff in Europe and Japan.

The NSX is going to be critical to putting Acura on the map, so it has to be a technological and race car tour-de-force. I say benchmark a Carrera GT in every dynamic and subjective way, and make it Honda reliable, and you have a visceral car thats a hoot to drive and a beast on the track.

swift22

^^ partially right,

What do you think the pace cars were for the GT-R ....lol!! And for the car to be front engine AWD and be exactly in the price range a base NSX was at when it debute...yeah. Nissan created a very fast reliable car for the money with a proven engine the same as Honda would do. Now Honda as you said needs to come out with something waaaaaaaay better. I say full CF and aluminum AWD V10.

iforyou

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Honda should probably target the NSX's replacement to be as fast as the new Zonda which just set a new record at Nurburgring of 7:27. But they better work fast as 2010 will be here pretty soon. We have all been waiting for too long...and that goes for the replacement cars for RX7 and Supra.

csmeance

In my opinion, the NSX will be kept under very high wraps and also will be available when acura debuts in the japanese market. Hopefully honda sets some good benchmarks.

mrdeeno

yeah, it's easy to keep the competition guessing when Honda scraps every concept they make...first a rear engine/RWD concept, then a front engine AWD concept, what next...a AWD CUV as an NSX successor?

That'll be like throwing a curve ball at the competition!

vishnus11

I'm going to reserve judgment on what concepts have been approved/scrapped till Honda OFFICIALLY comes out and says something.

Plenty of magazines love to write about "rumors" - I say wait on Honda for some actual confirmation.

If I remember, not too much was known about the S2000 till very close to its debut. Honda previewed the SSM concept in 1995, and then went underground for a few years, before the car resurfaced in 1999 as the S2000.

There is no way that the NSX concept has not already been set in stone. A car of this magnitude and scale needs a gestation period of AT LEAST 3 years. We're almost into 2008 - theres no way a concept can be selected now and be ready in 2 years.

Like I said - till I hear something from Honda I wouldn't believe the rumors.

mrdeeno

3 years?

Try 17 years. Once production of a model begins, engineering and design of the NEXT generation should have already started. For normal production models, it takes 3-4 years to bring a car from engineering/design to production. On more exclusive models, it can and should take longer, but this means that after the 1st gen NSX production started, they should have already been working on a successor...and if they still haven't come up with anything at this point, that makes it 17 YEARS that they had to come up with the NSX's successor, not 3. The 2nd gen NSX should have been out at latest 7-8 years after the first gen was introduced, and we should be discussing rumors about the 3rd gen NSX. But instead all it got after 12 years of being on the market was updated headlights, and 17 years after first being on the market, no one has a clue when the 2nd gen is coming.

You can reserve judgment all you want, but we're not even talking about the 2nd gen NSX anymore, we're talking about Honda's piss-poor product planning with regards to the NSX.

vishnus11

^ Agree and disagree

The original NSX was designed way ahead of its time. It wasn't until 2000 and up that the competition really caught up - in particular the 360 Modena and the 996 911TT. Proof: inspite of being a 15 year old designthis a NSX-R was still able to post a sub 8 minute lap around the Nurburgring. My point: the car was designed well ahead of its time and the typical developmental cycle doesn't apply to such a vehicle.

That said - there should have been no delay between the 1st and 2nd gen NSXs. I know many people who loved the first gen, and were holding out for the 2nd gen (and still are). However, one can only hold out for so long - fresh competitors like the R8 winning away such customers. On this aspect, Honda/Acura really screwed up.

That said, my previous post served to also highlight the fact that Honda/Acura might already be well into the development of the next generation NSX. That stretched S2000 we saw a while back looked mid-engined to me, so Honda might have decided to go this route long before any rumors surfaced about a concept change.

GreenMonster

Werd... they had lots of time to design a new NSX. They should have had something ready to roll when they discontinued the existing model...

Poor product planning...

mrdeeno

And that seems to be where this whole thread is heading towards...

The NSX (and the same can be said for Acura as a whole) was ahead of its time back then. Typical development time isn't going to be 3-4 years, but at MOST it should only be 7-8 years (that's TWICE the development time of regular models). But even at over twice that time, they best they could do was HID headlights.

It's like the tortoise and the hare, but I don't think the bosses at Honda read the entire story...they probably got to the point where the hare was out front, concluded that the hare wins, and closed the book.

iforyou

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Well, NSX was supposed to be replaced a long time ago, but the death of Soichiro Honda slowed things down a lot. It went to the other route - maximize profit. Nowadays typical development cycle time doesn't take as long as before due to new technology, etc. The truth is, this is the disgusting part of the auto industry, car makers like to create all these rumors for free promotion/marketing.

dom

I hope you meant to say Front engined.

phile

I think a CD player was added too.

csmeance

a 6 disk cd changer in trunk.

iforyou

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and less drag...less lift...lighter...

swift22

They were trying to make perfection even more perfect those 17yrs etc....while focusing on god knows what.