Acura: NSX News
10-30-2015, 02:27 PM
#6081
I feel the need...
I recall reading a while back that Acura planned to keep production at 600 cars per year "globally", so I have little doubt that supply constriction will keep the cars at a premium for the first couple of years.
10-30-2015, 02:35 PM
#6082
Team Owner
Hmmm... I've always heard 1200 per year. Guess Acura is scaling back on its expectations also 
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a35tl (11-01-2015)
10-30-2015, 03:24 PM
#6084
Team Owner
You left with nothing.
10-30-2015, 04:22 PM
#6085
Senior Moderator
11-01-2015, 06:08 PM
#6088
dealer said they went back to customers on waiting list
told them due to market demand the price for base model will be $210k
don't know if true or bs
told them due to market demand the price for base model will be $210k
don't know if true or bs
11-01-2015, 06:11 PM
#6089
Senior Moderator
No one is slanting the thread. You're just being hyper-sensitive? 
But, clearly, this car is controversial since we have 2 parties: the "haters" and the ones who are fine with it.
But, it does not change the fact that the curb weight isn't the most impressive. Most of us have seen better.
Would it make you feel better if I edited the title and put weight 2nd or 3rd...?
But, clearly, this car is controversial since we have 2 parties: the "haters" and the ones who are fine with it.
But, it does not change the fact that the curb weight isn't the most impressive. Most of us have seen better.
Would it make you feel better if I edited the title and put weight 2nd or 3rd...?
11-01-2015, 09:28 PM
#6090
Senior Moderator
At 3800 lbs, this car is 300 more than the Corvette Z06 and I think over 800 more than the ORIGINAL NSX.
This NSX is apparently benchmarked against the Ferrari 458Italia which is 3274 lbs and the R8 -- where both engine variants are lighter in weight.
But, you tell me...from what I know, most car people do care about curb weight but you're the dude running with all the billionaires...So, why don't you ask them?
And just for you: I changed the title. Hope you feel better. No difference to me.
This NSX is apparently benchmarked against the Ferrari 458Italia which is 3274 lbs and the R8 -- where both engine variants are lighter in weight.
But, you tell me...from what I know, most car people do care about curb weight but you're the dude running with all the billionaires...So, why don't you ask them?
And just for you: I changed the title. Hope you feel better. No difference to me.
11-01-2015, 11:27 PM
#6092
Moderator
11-01-2015, 11:35 PM
#6093
11-02-2015, 02:06 AM
#6094
6G TLX-S
^^^^^
Conclusion : at 5x the price of the NSX, the 918's 900hp can more than offset its heavy 3700lbs curb weight.
Conclusion : at 5x the price of the NSX, the 918's 900hp can more than offset its heavy 3700lbs curb weight.
11-02-2015, 10:00 AM
#6095
Senior Moderator
Yah but GTR's performance #s is not even logical anymore.
It should not corner that fast and it should not accelerate that fast but it does.
Regardless what the weight distribution #s are, I would be VERY VERY surprised if NSX can lap faster than GTR. Actually very few has.
It should not corner that fast and it should not accelerate that fast but it does.
Regardless what the weight distribution #s are, I would be VERY VERY surprised if NSX can lap faster than GTR. Actually very few has.
11-02-2015, 10:03 AM
#6096
Senior Moderator
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11-02-2015, 10:14 AM
#6097
Moderator
11-02-2015, 11:06 AM
#6099
11-02-2015, 11:14 AM
#6100
AZ Community Team
Valid comparison for chassis dynamics, you still have to brake and corner.
HP doen't help cornering and forces.
Also very valid for their mid-engined powertrain, both are AWD with FWD electric and RWD hybrid.
Yep, it's a expensive piece of hand-built technology with a nice CF tub.
The 900HP won't help the laws of physics and friction circle for +/-X (cornering) and -Y (braking).
Like all hybrids it regenerates electrical potential energy under braking. The question is how efficiently.
Again not for cornering and braking.
HP doen't help cornering and forces.
Also very valid for their mid-engined powertrain, both are AWD with FWD electric and RWD hybrid.
Yep, it's a expensive piece of hand-built technology with a nice CF tub.
Again not for cornering and braking.
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11-02-2015, 11:19 AM
#6101
Moderator
11-02-2015, 11:21 AM
#6102
AZ Community Team
At 3800 lbs, this car is 300 more than the Corvette Z06 and I think over 800 more than the ORIGINAL NSX.
This NSX is apparently benchmarked against the Ferrari 458Italia which is 3274 lbs and the R8 -- where both engine variants are lighter in weight.
But, you tell me...from what I know, most car people do care about curb weight but you're the dude running with all the billionaires...So, why don't you ask them?
And just for you: I changed the title. Hope you feel better. No difference to me.
This NSX is apparently benchmarked against the Ferrari 458Italia which is 3274 lbs and the R8 -- where both engine variants are lighter in weight.
But, you tell me...from what I know, most car people do care about curb weight but you're the dude running with all the billionaires...So, why don't you ask them?
And just for you: I changed the title. Hope you feel better. No difference to me.
I was curious so a V10 R8 with DCT is 3660.
Build your own Audi R8 Coupe - Car configurator | Audi USA
which is were I thought the 2G NSX was going to weight. For it's configuration, it could stand to lose perhaps 200 lb.
11-02-2015, 11:23 AM
#6103
Senior Moderator
Fat cars need love too.
11-02-2015, 11:24 AM
#6104
AZ Community Team
Nope it was about performance and weight, I was pointing out what any decent vehicle mechanical engineer would also observe. You gotta stop and turn as well.
the 918 weighs 3700 lbs and is one of the highest performing production cars right now. hybrid powertrain is going to add some weight.
11-02-2015, 11:26 AM
#6105
Moderator
11-02-2015, 11:29 AM
#6106
AZ Community Team
11-02-2015, 11:30 AM
#6107
Senior Moderator
11-02-2015, 11:30 AM
#6108
Moderator
Now, if you're suggesting that *performance* is only a chassis/handling/braking thing, well, I don't agree with that. Certainly important, but I'm not sure that use of the term *performance* (which excludes HP and TQ) is universal. HP and TQ still factor into how *performance* is measured, IMO.
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11-02-2015, 11:31 AM
#6109
Senior Moderator
11-02-2015, 11:44 AM
#6110
AZ Community Team
Right...he tried to equate the performance and the weight of both cars and suggested that the weight impact of the NSX wouldn't impair its performance vis-a-vis its competitors because the 918 was the poster-child in his example. He failed to account for the HP impact on performance measures, which is a significant factor when it comes to pushing that weight around.
Now, if you're suggesting that *performance* is only a chassis/handling/braking thing, well, I don't agree with that. Certainly important, but I'm not sure that use of the term *performance* (which excludes HP and TQ) is universal. HP and TQ still factor into how *performance* is measured, IMO.
Now, if you're suggesting that *performance* is only a chassis/handling/braking thing, well, I don't agree with that. Certainly important, but I'm not sure that use of the term *performance* (which excludes HP and TQ) is universal. HP and TQ still factor into how *performance* is measured, IMO.
) are trying to imply that. Not me.
You gotta stop and turn as well.
Anybody who's ever being to a track day can tell you that.
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11-02-2015, 11:46 AM
#6111
AZ Community Team
11-02-2015, 12:07 PM
#6112
Moderator
Nope, YOU (as in YOU!) are trying to imply that. Not me.
I'm pointing out there's more factors (power, brakes, mass, Cg, loading, Cf, mass dist., geometries,...) to a car's performance than just power and weight, something lost in this discussion.
Anybody who's ever being to a track day can tell you that.
) are trying to imply that. Not me.I'm pointing out there's more factors (power, brakes, mass, Cg, loading, Cf, mass dist., geometries,...) to a car's performance than just power and weight, something lost in this discussion.
Anybody who's ever being to a track day can tell you that.
I have no doubt the NSX will be a fine handling car. But equating it to the 918 (as skd did) is a poor comparison inasmuch as (arguably) the 918 is at least as good as the NSX in the handling and braking categories, weighs only slightly less, but has approximately 60% more HP.
11-02-2015, 12:23 PM
#6113
AZ Community Team
No need to be a smart-ass. I was just trying to understand your position. Sorry for misunderstanding. It seemed like you were excluding HP and Tq from the performance discussion.
I have no doubt the NSX will be a fine handling car. But equating it to the 918 (as skd did) is a poor comparison inasmuch as (arguably) the 918 is at least as good as the NSX in the handling and braking categories, weighs only slightly less, but has approximately 60% more HP.
I have no doubt the NSX will be a fine handling car. But equating it to the 918 (as skd did) is a poor comparison inasmuch as (arguably) the 918 is at least as good as the NSX in the handling and braking categories, weighs only slightly less, but has approximately 60% more HP.
But OK, yes I should have clarified my position better to include all aspects of forces (including acceleration as well as deceleration and lateral forces) as well as dynamics of vehicle operation.Also iforyou pointed out in the previous page that Porsche does not appear to add HP correctly for a hybrid powertrain (different RPM peaks). So if you summed the NSX HP that way one would get 619HP or the 918 (893) is ~44% more powerful, but still alot more powerful.
I would still like to see some reasonable comparison tests between the various cars in this class to see how well the NSX performs. From the initial reports there appears to be some serious problems using all-season tires for a high performance car, and perhaps the various ECU modes can be refined some.
I've never driven a 1G NSX but one common trait I read about is how easy they are to drive up to it's limits compared to other cars of it's day. I'm curious if the 2G copies that trait.
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11-02-2015, 01:14 PM
#6114
Senior Moderator
11-02-2015, 01:15 PM
#6115
AZ Community Team
11-02-2015, 01:16 PM
#6116
Senior Moderator
Legend, I'm not saying the NSX sucks...not even close. But, I'm also disappointed with the numbers given how long we've waited and waited and waited. It's not an indication that I think the car sucks.
Just that, with Honda/Acura for me lately? It always leaves me wishing for a bit more...?
That's all I'm saying.
Just that, with Honda/Acura for me lately? It always leaves me wishing for a bit more...?
That's all I'm saying.
11-02-2015, 01:17 PM
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11-02-2015, 01:30 PM
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Did you really think a hybrid AWD 2G NSX was going to weight in close to the 1G NSX, RWD gas only 458 or C7?
I was curious so a V10 R8 with DCT is 3660.
Build your own Audi R8 Coupe - Car configurator | Audi USA
which is were I thought the 2G NSX was going to weight. For it's configuration, it could stand to lose perhaps 200 lb.
I was curious so a V10 R8 with DCT is 3660.
Build your own Audi R8 Coupe - Car configurator | Audi USA
which is were I thought the 2G NSX was going to weight. For it's configuration, it could stand to lose perhaps 200 lb.
Also, remember batteries run out of juice eventually. How long will the NSX batteries last, how quickly can they recover? Will the NSX be a 1 lap pony making it a 500hp rwd only 3800lb car in a 600+ world of cars??
No valid comparison, price or not it simply has more hp to cope with the weight. Especially when E power starts to diminish.
No valid comparison, price or not it simply has more hp to cope with the weight. Especially when E power starts to diminish.
918 engine power: 608hp
918 weight: 3724lb
918 power/weight ratio: 6.1lb/hp
NSX engine power: 500hp
NSX weight: 3803lb.
NSX power/weight ratio: 7.6lb/hp
% difference under engine power only: 24%
918 Full power: 887hp
918 weight: 3724lb
918 power/weight ratio: 4.2lb/hp
NSX Full power: 573hp
NSX weight: 3803lb.
NSX power/weight ratio: 6.6lb/hp
% difference under full power: 58%
It's pretty clear that if both cars are out of juice, the performance difference becomes over 50% smaller.
Will the $1mil 918 be a 1 lap pony making it a 600hp only 3724lb car in a 600+ world of cars that cost around $200k??
11-02-2015, 01:39 PM
#6120
They should have initially put out a supercharged (or turbo'ed) 3.5DI mid engine coupe with SH-AWD then followed it up with the performance hybrid system that could get it north of 500hp... I don't understand why they made it so complicated and now so expensive. Its a shame.