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Dealers in other countries, such as the UK and UAE have officially been doing deposits since last summer.
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#4083
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Pretty sure VR1's parents don't reside in whiskers zip code. And if you just got back from a stint taking out some bad guys in Karzai's neighborhood, I'll take your word for it too.
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The local Vape lounge here is taking deposits
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It is not my parents that put a deposit. I KNOW my dealer is taking deposits. I KNOW a dealer in Boston is taking deposits. I KNOW two people, one a family member who placed a deposit. You can call up any of the larger dealers in the U.S. yourself and ask if they are taking deposits.
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All a deposit means is that your spot in line for a product is ensured through that distributor.
It doesn't guarantee a product IS in fact going to happen. There is a thing called a 'refund'..
Now, having said all that, the best indicator that the NSX is going to happen this time around is all the money, training and construction in Ohio for just this car. Honda shareholders (including myself) have been assured multiple quarters that this newest NSX is really/truly/for realz yo going to happen.
It doesn't guarantee a product IS in fact going to happen. There is a thing called a 'refund'..
Now, having said all that, the best indicator that the NSX is going to happen this time around is all the money, training and construction in Ohio for just this car. Honda shareholders (including myself) have been assured multiple quarters that this newest NSX is really/truly/for realz yo going to happen.
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Does any dealership, that is taking deposits, know what will be the approx. price of the NSX ? $100K ? $150K ? $200K ?
#4091
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If I was a stockholder, I might not be looking forward to the NSX - only 10 years from now will people realize that like the first gen NSX, the current gen could be a total money pit and not make any money for Honda. Only well after production did we find out that even at $400K Toyota lost money on every LFA it sold.
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No excuse me while I go take a hit of vape from Moog's pipe. This power plenum is addicting fo realz yo!
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Like I said, whether the change of direction (from V10 to V6 TT hybrid) is a good move or not, that's totally up for debate. Everyone has his own opinion on this. Your stance is that efficiency is not important for expensive, luxury brands.
I see it a bit differently. Let's keep it at that as we have discussed this many times already.
Ya 30mpg on the highway in a 3000lb car is not bad. However, city rating is also important. Don't you think so? You might only drive on the highway, that's great. But there are people who drive in the city too.
While there's "only" an extra 67hp, there's also an extra 105lbft of torque. What's more? Most of that torque is available right from the start, while the FWD model needs 4500rpm to reach its peak torque. The above, plus the new 7-DCT? I think the extra 350lb or so is worth it. That's about 50-100lb heavier than a typical AWD system. And we haven't even touched on the handling and fuel efficiency advantages.
How do we define sales success? To beat Toyota's hybrid sales numbers? When? This year? Next year? The issue here is that, Toyota has a huge advantage over Honda because Toyota captured the market properly, while Honda did not. I don't think it's realistic to expect Accord hybrid to do as well as the Camry hybrid in sales in the next couple years. I doubt Honda can change the perception of people (i.e. Buy hybrids? Buy Toyotas) that quickly.
I see it a bit differently. Let's keep it at that as we have discussed this many times already.
Ya 30mpg on the highway in a 3000lb car is not bad. However, city rating is also important. Don't you think so? You might only drive on the highway, that's great. But there are people who drive in the city too.
While there's "only" an extra 67hp, there's also an extra 105lbft of torque. What's more? Most of that torque is available right from the start, while the FWD model needs 4500rpm to reach its peak torque. The above, plus the new 7-DCT? I think the extra 350lb or so is worth it. That's about 50-100lb heavier than a typical AWD system. And we haven't even touched on the handling and fuel efficiency advantages.
How do we define sales success? To beat Toyota's hybrid sales numbers? When? This year? Next year? The issue here is that, Toyota has a huge advantage over Honda because Toyota captured the market properly, while Honda did not. I don't think it's realistic to expect Accord hybrid to do as well as the Camry hybrid in sales in the next couple years. I doubt Honda can change the perception of people (i.e. Buy hybrids? Buy Toyotas) that quickly.
When you go shopping for a Porsche, Ferrari, Corvette etc... Are you honestly considering the EPA ratings? I know im not. I couldnt give 2 shits if one car has a few mpg more city than the other. Most are buying on preference of brand, power/stats etc.. The way i typically drive there is no way the NSX could achieve anywhere near city EPA ratings and in all likely hood be the same or worse than the others due to having to work that much harder. I dont buy cars on the EPA rating, i buy what suits my wants/needs.
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I went on a road trip to Amelia Concour car show last week. Both people I went with drive Ferrari's, one previously had a Diablo. We met one of their friends who is the COO of a large car dealership group in northern VA.
We had a conversation about cost of Ferrari ownership. The COO has 3 Ferrari's and as not only annoyed by the high maintenance cost but also the fuel economy due to the cost and range limitations. The other two owners and I were amused by that admission but I know of at least one but he's also a CPA.
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#4096
I think any dealership supposedly taking deposits in an urban legend. Not because the next next next NSX is not going to actually appear, but because no one outside of the development team knows when it will finally be production ready. So says my local Acura dealer manager and he seems pretty legit.
No excuse me while I go take a hit of vape from Moog's pipe. This power plenum is addicting fo realz yo!
No excuse me while I go take a hit of vape from Moog's pipe. This power plenum is addicting fo realz yo!
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If I was a stockholder, I might not be looking forward to the NSX - only 10 years from now will people realize that like the first gen NSX, the current gen could be a total money pit and not make any money for Honda. Only well after production did we find out that even at $400K Toyota lost money on every LFA it sold.
So I was not surprised they lost money on the LFA. McLaren barely broke even on the F1 depending on who you ask there.
Ferrari had losses on the many of their models in the mid-60's.
These days with ERP tools and better SCM, it's possible to have limited production and still produce a profit.
Ferrari claims it makes profit on all models. I was talking to a McLaren rep last week and the MP4-12 has broken into 1K+ production combined over the past two years.
I'm guessing with Ohio production facility and better forecasting Acura/Honda will make a small profit on the 2G NSX.
The 1G NSX losses was a sore subject for Honda's board.
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Halo cars aren't supposed to be profitable on their own. They're supposed to build excitement for the brand, something you spend a lot of $$$ on advertising.
I, as a shareholder, would rather have the company lose $25 million on an NSX than spend $25 million on advertising.
I, as a shareholder, would rather have the company lose $25 million on an NSX than spend $25 million on advertising.
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Many dealers will take your "deposit" money for all sorts of supposed future vehicles.
That's why it's called a refundable deposit.
The car may never come to fruition......and the dealer will thank you for letting them have your money for a year or two.
That's why it's called a refundable deposit.
The car may never come to fruition......and the dealer will thank you for letting them have your money for a year or two.
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I imagine most do not but hint: you or I don't know.
I went on a road trip to Amelia Concour car show last week. Both people I went with drive Ferrari's, one previously had a Diablo. We met one of their friends who is the COO of a large car dealership group in northern VA.
We had a conversation about cost of Ferrari ownership. The COO has 3 Ferrari's and as not only annoyed by the high maintenance cost but also the fuel economy due to the cost and range limitations. The other two owners and I were amused by that admission but I know of at least one but he's also a CPA.
I went on a road trip to Amelia Concour car show last week. Both people I went with drive Ferrari's, one previously had a Diablo. We met one of their friends who is the COO of a large car dealership group in northern VA.
We had a conversation about cost of Ferrari ownership. The COO has 3 Ferrari's and as not only annoyed by the high maintenance cost but also the fuel economy due to the cost and range limitations. The other two owners and I were amused by that admission but I know of at least one but he's also a CPA.
Besides, some of these rich people don't want others to think they don't care about the environment. They might want the world to know that while they are rich, they also care about the environment.
Then there are the Chinese customers. One of my friends works at a high-end car dealership that sells high end cars (i.e. Ferrari, Porsche, Aston Martin, Lamborghini, etc). He deals with many wealthy Chinese customers. These customers would try to ask you to sell a $150k car for $100k. It's just a Chinese culture thing to negotiate/low ball. For these people, fuel economy might be an issue, even if they can easily afford the car and fuel.
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Then there are the Chinese customers. One of my friends works at a high-end car dealership that sells high end cars (i.e. Ferrari, Porsche, Aston Martin, Lamborghini, etc). He deals with many wealthy Chinese customers. These customers would try to ask you to sell a $150k car for $100k. It's just a Chinese culture thing to negotiate/low ball. For these people, fuel economy might be an issue, even if they can easily afford the car and fuel.
#4102
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Yea....while some wealthly people don't care much about fuel costs, there are also rich people who are more "stingy." A lot of rich people didn't start out rich, and had to work their way up. They understand how money building works and so they will still be careful of how they spend their money. I don't think we can generalize that every rich person doesn't care about gas money.
Wait, so you think the "stingy" rich person has no problem dropping $200,000 on a car but freaks out over its gas mileage?? idk how you think that's accurate.
Stingy rich people are the dudes driving around in leased BMW's... or if they're spoiling themselves, an M5 or something, NOT a super car.
We had a conversation about cost of Ferrari ownership. The COO has 3 Ferrari's and as not only annoyed by the high maintenance cost but also the fuel economy due to the cost and range limitations. The other two owners and I were amused by that admission but I know of at least one but he's also a CPA.
lol, and then he told you he was going to trade his Ferrari's in for something more reliable that gets better mpg's right?
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Again, I'm not say ALL rich people are like that. I have relatives in China that are like that though. Just because they are rich, it doesn't mean they don't like to save money. $200k USD is not a lot in China. A freaking X5 35i starts at RMB$928k. That's USD $150k. X5 50i starts at RMB$1.773 mil. That's USD$290k. Trust me, these folks still look for deals in everything (even when they go to the super market to buy groceries).
Before you say this is America, not China, well, please note that these super cars are sold worldwide.
Wait, so you think the "stingy" rich person has no problem dropping $200,000 on a car but freaks out over its gas mileage?? idk how you think that's accurate.
Stingy rich people are the dudes driving around in leased BMW's... or if they're spoiling themselves, an M5 or something, NOT a super car.
Stingy rich people are the dudes driving around in leased BMW's... or if they're spoiling themselves, an M5 or something, NOT a super car.
Before you say this is America, not China, well, please note that these super cars are sold worldwide.
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Again, I'm not say ALL rich people are like that. I have relatives in China that are like that though. Just because they are rich, it doesn't mean they don't like to save money. $200k USD is not a lot in China. A freaking X5 35i starts at RMB$928k. That's USD $150k. X5 50i starts at RMB$1.773 mil. That's USD$290k. Trust me, these folks still look for deals in everything (even when they go to the super market to buy groceries).
Before you say this is America, not China, well, please note that these super cars are sold worldwide.
Again, I'm not say ALL rich people are like that. I have relatives in China that are like that though. Just because they are rich, it doesn't mean they don't like to save money. $200k USD is not a lot in China. A freaking X5 35i starts at RMB$928k. That's USD $150k. X5 50i starts at RMB$1.773 mil. That's USD$290k. Trust me, these folks still look for deals in everything (even when they go to the super market to buy groceries).
Before you say this is America, not China, well, please note that these super cars are sold worldwide.
It's not because they lowball the brands.
To be honest, I have no idea why you are even bringing this up here.
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Yea....while some wealthly people don't care much about fuel costs, there are also rich people who are more "stingy." A lot of rich people didn't start out rich, and had to work their way up. They understand how money building works and so they will still be careful of how they spend their money. I don't think we can generalize that every rich person doesn't care about gas money.
Besides, some of these rich people don't want others to think they don't care about the environment. They might want the world to know that while they are rich, they also care about the environment.
Then there are the Chinese customers. One of my friends works at a high-end car dealership that sells high end cars (i.e. Ferrari, Porsche, Aston Martin, Lamborghini, etc). He deals with many wealthy Chinese customers. These customers would try to ask you to sell a $150k car for $100k. It's just a Chinese culture thing to negotiate/low ball. For these people, fuel economy might be an issue, even if they can easily afford the car and fuel.
Besides, some of these rich people don't want others to think they don't care about the environment. They might want the world to know that while they are rich, they also care about the environment.
Then there are the Chinese customers. One of my friends works at a high-end car dealership that sells high end cars (i.e. Ferrari, Porsche, Aston Martin, Lamborghini, etc). He deals with many wealthy Chinese customers. These customers would try to ask you to sell a $150k car for $100k. It's just a Chinese culture thing to negotiate/low ball. For these people, fuel economy might be an issue, even if they can easily afford the car and fuel.
They claim they care about fuel costs, but they are also among those who end up buying large-displacement large-size high-end vehicles.
They will do anything or say anything just to get the high-end vehicle deal sealed with as little money out of pocket as possible.
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Wait, so you think the "stingy" rich person has no problem dropping $200,000 on a car but freaks out over its gas mileage?? idk how you think that's accurate.
Stingy rich people are the dudes driving around in leased BMW's... or if they're spoiling themselves, an M5 or something, NOT a super car.
Stingy rich people are the dudes driving around in leased BMW's... or if they're spoiling themselves, an M5 or something, NOT a super car.
Nope we moved on to discussing whether the auto group he works for is going to add a Jaguar dealership.
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Do you even read what other people post?
"Stingy rich people are the dudes driving around in leased BMW's... or if they're spoiling themselves, an M5 or something, NOT a super car."
You assume stingy = wants good gas mileage to save $$ ... on a car that cost more then people's houses?? How on earth is that "watching their money?"
... so he didn't really care. He complained about some stuff he doesn't like about his cars (just like us non-rich people!) and moved on. Thanks for proving my point for me.
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Do you even read what other people post?
"Stingy rich people are the dudes driving around in leased BMW's... or if they're spoiling themselves, an M5 or something, NOT a super car."
You assume stingy = wants good gas mileage to save $$ ... on a car that cost more then people's houses?? How on earth is that "watching their money?"
"Stingy rich people are the dudes driving around in leased BMW's... or if they're spoiling themselves, an M5 or something, NOT a super car."
You assume stingy = wants good gas mileage to save $$ ... on a car that cost more then people's houses?? How on earth is that "watching their money?"
We also discussed the $1K water pump cost of 308/328 and how most owners are getting their pumps rebuilt.
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Halo cars aren't supposed to be profitable on their own. They're supposed to build excitement for the brand, something you spend a lot of $$$ on advertising.
I, as a shareholder, would rather have the company lose $25 million on an NSX than spend $25 million on advertising.
I, as a shareholder, would rather have the company lose $25 million on an NSX than spend $25 million on advertising.
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Yea....while some wealthly people don't care much about fuel costs, there are also rich people who are more "stingy." A lot of rich people didn't start out rich, and had to work their way up. They understand how money building works and so they will still be careful of how they spend their money. I don't think we can generalize that every rich person doesn't care about gas money.
Besides, some of these rich people don't want others to think they don't care about the environment. They might want the world to know that while they are rich, they also care about the environment.
Then there are the Chinese customers. One of my friends works at a high-end car dealership that sells high end cars (i.e. Ferrari, Porsche, Aston Martin, Lamborghini, etc). He deals with many wealthy Chinese customers. These customers would try to ask you to sell a $150k car for $100k. It's just a Chinese culture thing to negotiate/low ball. For these people, fuel economy might be an issue, even if they can easily afford the car and fuel.
Besides, some of these rich people don't want others to think they don't care about the environment. They might want the world to know that while they are rich, they also care about the environment.
Then there are the Chinese customers. One of my friends works at a high-end car dealership that sells high end cars (i.e. Ferrari, Porsche, Aston Martin, Lamborghini, etc). He deals with many wealthy Chinese customers. These customers would try to ask you to sell a $150k car for $100k. It's just a Chinese culture thing to negotiate/low ball. For these people, fuel economy might be an issue, even if they can easily afford the car and fuel.
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Buyers arent concerned. Governments are. The NSX and other similar exotics with hybrid systems will have much fewer restrictions/tax penalties etc.
Many European countries for example let the McLaren P1 slide by with minimal carbon penalties.
Many European countries for example let the McLaren P1 slide by with minimal carbon penalties.
#4115
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"Yeah, I just spent $240,000 on my ride, its decent. But seriously, milk's like $2.50 a gallon now. I'm not eating cereal for a month!! I'm stingy like that."
Maybe you just suck at telling when people are being sarcastic to you.
None of what that dude is saying makes any sense.
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Please, I dont car how poor you were and how carefully you spend your money, When you are dropping 200+k on an exotic car, the last thing you are thinking about is if you should get this one or the one that costs about 40 dollars less annually to fill up. Also, anyone who truly cares about the environment isnt going to be buying an exotic super car on the premise that he is being green or cares about being green.
Can't believe we are even talking about this.
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Maybe you just suck at understanding that
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, one of the reoccurring requirements Vette's since C4 is no gas guzzler tax. S-classes have been available with 6 cylinders in Europe since the 70's.
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Maybe you should try learning what words mean before using them.
Source: a dictionary
Stingy: not liking or wanting to give or spend money : not generous : small in size or amount
I swear to God if you try to contradict the fucking dictionary...
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Perhaps you should do the same, look up stereotype.