Originally Posted by Fibonacci

Calling on this, because I was in for minor service on my super dope everything is awesome 6MT today and the manager said they are not accepting deposits yet on the next next next NSX

Originally Posted by Fibonacci

Calling on this, because I was in for minor service on my super dope everything is awesome 6MT today and the manager said they are not accepting deposits yet on the next next next NSX

Originally Posted by Ken1997TL

Dealers in other countries, such as the UK and UAE have officially been doing deposits since last summer.

Originally Posted by Moog-Type-S

Perhaps they are not going to have any allocations for Motown.

Originally Posted by Moog-Type-S

The local Vape lounge here is taking deposits

Originally Posted by Fibonacci

Pretty sure VR1's parents don't reside in whiskers zip code. And if you just got back from a stint taking out some bad guys in Karzai's neighborhood, I'll take your word for it too.

Originally Posted by Ken1997TL

for realz yo

Originally Posted by Ken1997TL

Honda shareholders (including myself) have been assured multiple quarters that this newest NSX is really/truly/for realz yo going to happen.

Originally Posted by Edward'TLS

Does any dealership, that is taking deposits, know what will be the approx. price of the NSX ? $100K ? $150K ? $200K ?

Originally Posted by iforyou

Like I said, whether the change of direction (from V10 to V6 TT hybrid) is a good move or not, that's totally up for debate. Everyone has his own opinion on this. Your stance is that efficiency is not important for expensive, luxury brands.

I see it a bit differently. Let's keep it at that as we have discussed this many times already.



Ya 30mpg on the highway in a 3000lb car is not bad. However, city rating is also important. Don't you think so? You might only drive on the highway, that's great. But there are people who drive in the city too.



While there's "only" an extra 67hp, there's also an extra 105lbft of torque. What's more? Most of that torque is available right from the start, while the FWD model needs 4500rpm to reach its peak torque. The above, plus the new 7-DCT? I think the extra 350lb or so is worth it. That's about 50-100lb heavier than a typical AWD system. And we haven't even touched on the handling and fuel efficiency advantages.


How do we define sales success? To beat Toyota's hybrid sales numbers? When? This year? Next year? The issue here is that, Toyota has a huge advantage over Honda because Toyota captured the market properly, while Honda did not. I don't think it's realistic to expect Accord hybrid to do as well as the Camry hybrid in sales in the next couple years. I doubt Honda can change the perception of people (i.e. Buy hybrids? Buy Toyotas) that quickly.

Originally Posted by fsttyms1

When you go shopping for a Porsche, Ferrari, Corvette etc... Are you honestly considering the EPA ratings? I know im not. I couldnt give 2 shits if one car has a few mpg more city than the other. Most are buying on preference of brand, power/stats etc.. The way i typically drive there is no way the NSX could achieve anywhere near city EPA ratings and in all likely hood be the same or worse than the others due to having to work that much harder. I dont buy cars on the EPA rating, i buy what suits my wants/needs.

Originally Posted by JS + BRZ

Ban MPG talk from NSX topic.

Originally Posted by Costco

^edit:

With the once suggested V6 + hybrid powertrain, I could see the NSX getting good gas mileage.

But with a TT V6, even with IMA to help out, I doubt it'll have noteworthy fuel economy. Maybe relatively speaking.

Originally Posted by fsttyms1

while it may attract some current customers i dont think it really helps to attract new (which is what sales seem to show) They need to concentrate on looks as much as they do with the "mpg" ability.

Originally Posted by Legend2TL

McLaren marketing info for MP4-12, fuel economy is one of six performance parameter in their short 6 item list

Originally Posted by MeehowsBRZ

And guess how many people buying that car actually care about that last number. (hint: its less then 1)

Originally Posted by Fibonacci

I think any dealership supposedly taking deposits in an urban legend. Not because the next next next NSX is not going to actually appear, but because no one outside of the development team knows when it will finally be production ready. So says my local Acura dealer manager and he seems pretty legit.

No excuse me while I go take a hit of vape from Moog's pipe. This power plenum is addicting fo realz yo!

Originally Posted by biker

If I was a stockholder, I might not be looking forward to the NSX - only 10 years from now will people realize that like the first gen NSX, the current gen could be a total money pit and not make any money for Honda. Only well after production did we find out that even at $400K Toyota lost money on every LFA it sold.

Originally Posted by Legend2TL

I imagine most do not but hint: you or I don't know.

I went on a road trip to Amelia Concour car show last week. Both people I went with drive Ferrari's, one previously had a Diablo. We met one of their friends who is the COO of a large car dealership group in northern VA.

We had a conversation about cost of Ferrari ownership. The COO has 3 Ferrari's and as not only annoyed by the high maintenance cost but also the fuel economy due to the cost and range limitations. The other two owners and I were amused by that admission but I know of at least one but he's also a CPA.

Originally Posted by iforyou

Then there are the Chinese customers. One of my friends works at a high-end car dealership that sells high end cars (i.e. Ferrari, Porsche, Aston Martin, Lamborghini, etc). He deals with many wealthy Chinese customers. These customers would try to ask you to sell a $150k car for $100k. It's just a Chinese culture thing to negotiate/low ball. For these people, fuel economy might be an issue, even if they can easily afford the car and fuel.

Originally Posted by iforyou

Yea....while some wealthly people don't care much about fuel costs, there are also rich people who are more "stingy." A lot of rich people didn't start out rich, and had to work their way up. They understand how money building works and so they will still be careful of how they spend their money. I don't think we can generalize that every rich person doesn't care about gas money.

Originally Posted by Legend2TL

We had a conversation about cost of Ferrari ownership. The COO has 3 Ferrari's and as not only annoyed by the high maintenance cost but also the fuel economy due to the cost and range limitations. The other two owners and I were amused by that admission but I know of at least one but he's also a CPA.

Originally Posted by JS + BRZ

Which dealership?

Originally Posted by MeehowsBRZ

Wait, so you think the "stingy" rich person has no problem dropping $200,000 on a car but freaks out over its gas mileage?? idk how you think that's accurate.

Stingy rich people are the dudes driving around in leased BMW's... or if they're spoiling themselves, an M5 or something, NOT a super car.

Originally Posted by iforyou

A freaking X5 35i starts at RMB$928k. That's USD $150k. X5 50i starts at RMB$1.773 mil. That's USD$290k.

Originally Posted by iforyou

london motor cars



Again, I'm not say ALL rich people are like that. I have relatives in China that are like that though. Just because they are rich, it doesn't mean they don't like to save money. $200k USD is not a lot in China. A freaking X5 35i starts at RMB$928k. That's USD $150k. X5 50i starts at RMB$1.773 mil. That's USD$290k. Trust me, these folks still look for deals in everything (even when they go to the super market to buy groceries).

Before you say this is America, not China, well, please note that these super cars are sold worldwide.

Originally Posted by iforyou

Yea....while some wealthly people don't care much about fuel costs, there are also rich people who are more "stingy." A lot of rich people didn't start out rich, and had to work their way up. They understand how money building works and so they will still be careful of how they spend their money. I don't think we can generalize that every rich person doesn't care about gas money.

Besides, some of these rich people don't want others to think they don't care about the environment. They might want the world to know that while they are rich, they also care about the environment.

Then there are the Chinese customers. One of my friends works at a high-end car dealership that sells high end cars (i.e. Ferrari, Porsche, Aston Martin, Lamborghini, etc). He deals with many wealthy Chinese customers. These customers would try to ask you to sell a $150k car for $100k. It's just a Chinese culture thing to negotiate/low ball. For these people, fuel economy might be an issue, even if they can easily afford the car and fuel.

Originally Posted by MeehowsBRZ

Wait, so you think the "stingy" rich person has no problem dropping $200,000 on a car but freaks out over its gas mileage?? idk how you think that's accurate.


Stingy rich people are the dudes driving around in leased BMW's... or if they're spoiling themselves, an M5 or something, NOT a super car.

Originally Posted by MeehowsBRZ

lol, and then he told you he was going to trade his Ferrari's in for something more reliable that gets better mpg's right?

Originally Posted by Legend2TL

You're just stereotyping rich people as not caring about money, some are still quite stingy because watching their money got them rich in the first place.

Originally Posted by Legend2TL

Nope we moved on to discussing whether the auto group he works for is going to add a Jaguar dealership.

Originally Posted by MeehowsBRZ

Do you even read what other people post?

"Stingy rich people are the dudes driving around in leased BMW's... or if they're spoiling themselves, an M5 or something, NOT a super car."


You assume stingy = wants good gas mileage to save $$ ... on a car that cost more then people's houses?? How on earth is that "watching their money?"

Originally Posted by MeehowsBRZ

... so he didn't really care. He complained about some stuff he doesn't like about his cars (just like us non-rich people!) and moved on. Thanks for proving my point for me.

Originally Posted by Ken1997TL

Halo cars aren't supposed to be profitable on their own. They're supposed to build excitement for the brand, something you spend a lot of $$$ on advertising.

I, as a shareholder, would rather have the company lose $25 million on an NSX than spend $25 million on advertising.

Originally Posted by fsttyms1

Especially considering how shitty it is (Acura advertising)

Originally Posted by iforyou

Yea....while some wealthly people don't care much about fuel costs, there are also rich people who are more "stingy." A lot of rich people didn't start out rich, and had to work their way up. They understand how money building works and so they will still be careful of how they spend their money. I don't think we can generalize that every rich person doesn't care about gas money.

Besides, some of these rich people don't want others to think they don't care about the environment. They might want the world to know that while they are rich, they also care about the environment.

Then there are the Chinese customers. One of my friends works at a high-end car dealership that sells high end cars (i.e. Ferrari, Porsche, Aston Martin, Lamborghini, etc). He deals with many wealthy Chinese customers. These customers would try to ask you to sell a $150k car for $100k. It's just a Chinese culture thing to negotiate/low ball. For these people, fuel economy might be an issue, even if they can easily afford the car and fuel.

Originally Posted by Legend2TL

Obviously you didn't read them either. Some rich folks are concerned about the price of gas and milk, and some are not.

Originally Posted by Legend2TL

Obviously you didn't read them either. Some rich folks are concerned about the price of gas and milk, and some are not.

Originally Posted by fsttyms1

I fail to see how someone that drops 200K+ on a car is going to be concerned about gas.

Originally Posted by fsttyms1

Please, I dont car how poor you were and how carefully you spend your money, When you are dropping 200+k on an exotic car, the last thing you are thinking about is if you should get this one or the one that costs about 40 dollars less annually to fill up. Also, anyone who truly cares about the environment isnt going to be buying an exotic super car on the premise that he is being green or cares about being green.

Originally Posted by MeehowsBRZ

Now you're just trolling.


"Yeah, I just spent $240,000 on my ride, its decent. But seriously, milk's like $2.50 a gallon now. I'm not eating cereal for a month!! I'm stingy like that."

Maybe you just suck at telling when people are being sarcastic to you.

Originally Posted by Ken1997TL

Buyers arent concerned. Governments are. The NSX and other similar exotics with hybrid systems will have much fewer restrictions/tax penalties etc.

Many European countries for example let the McLaren P1 slide by with minimal carbon penalties.

Originally Posted by Legend2TL

Nope, just saying that stereotyping doesn't always work.


Maybe you just suck at understanding that

Originally Posted by MeehowsBRZ

Maybe you should try learning what words mean before using them.


Source: a dictionary




Can you spend $200,000 on a car and be stingy? NO

End. Everything you say about being stingy AND owning a super car is pure BS... at least according to the dictionary.