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#401
Safety Car
Why the New Acura Integra Had to Be a 5-Door
https://www.roadandtrack.com/news/a3...ive-door-only/
Why the New Acura Integra Had to Be a 5-Door
Acura wanted a new Integra coupe, but it just wasn't possible.By Chris Perkins
Nov 22, 2021
AcuraThe new Acura Integra is the most divisive car to launch in recent memory. Some are happy there's a new affordable turbo manual sport-compact, but for every 1 of those people, there seems to be at least 2 mad that A) the design doesn't nod to previous generations, B) it's not a hardcore Type R, C) it's not a coupe, and D) all of the above. In response to these points, design is subjective, a Type S likely with Civic Type R underpinnings is coming, and a 3-door just wasn't possible. But not for lack of trying, per Acura head Jon Ikeda.
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The Civic coupe was discontinued for the car's 11th-generation likely due to low sales of the previous 2-door. The new Integra is based on the Civic—as is the case with all previous Integras—and that limits what Acura can do with this 1. Ikeda is saying an Integra coupe is possible without a 2-door Civic to base it on, but it'd be quite expensive. Given that consumers have widely abandoned coupes, an expensive Integra 3-door would quite obviously be a losing proposition.
A 1994 Integra GS-R sedan. HondaIn today's world, where American consumers have largely moved to crossovers, offering a new 5-door liftback is still a bold move. Beyond the precedent set by 4- and 5-door versions of the 1st 3 generations of Integra, Ikeda felt it important to make the Integra a hatchback for the extra versatility it brings. Millennials especially want to be able to pack their car with gear for weekend adventures with friends, and Ikeda believes this broadens the car's appeal.
"I really believe the fact that we stuck with the hatch and the versatility that it brings is... we might be able to get a little bit more than just what the segment is putting out right now," Ikeda said. "We need to be able to reach with this car beyond our segment."
If you're doubting the Integra's credentials, Ikeda points out that at the heart of every Integra is a great Civic, which Honda has now. He also tells us that the car's chief engineer owned 2 older Integras. "I said, 'Why did you buy an Integra?' Ikeda recalled. "He said, 'It was a very cool car and I was young and I was excited.' I said, 'Well, you know all the ingredients already. Just make that, because that's what it is.'"
#402
Styl1n
Ignore the Acura fanboy. Remind him that the TLX-S put down an impressive 287 Whp. Such precision crafted performance. My M40i makes over 400wHP with an autowerke downpipe and a stage 2 DME tune. @kuzdu M240i is over 500wHP with a few more mods on the stock turbo. B58 is no joke.
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#403
Old Man Yelling at Clouds
I mean could you imagine Lexus saying "If you are doubting the ES's credentials, at the heart of every ES is a great Camry."
Because nothing generates excitement like comparing your supposed performance luxury brand to it's mass-market sibling.
I mean, basing an Integra off a successful Civic isn't terrible - but I think it's something you just do, not brag about. It's the Civic that benefits from that association more than the Acura.
Or maybe in the case of this fiasco the Civic is like, "hey you don't need to mention that, I'm good...."
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"The pricing is what we're looking at, and the entry point, and market behavior more than anything. And the numbers just don't play out," Ikeda told R&T at a preview of the new Integra in California last week. "We were trying the hardest to the very end with the manual Civic Si Coupe, and if we had that car [as a base], maybe we could have thought about something else, too. But the more you do things that aren't there, the more it gets out of the zone of what people can afford."
The Civic coupe was discontinued for the car's 11th-generation likely due to low sales of the previous two-door. The new Integra is based on the Civic -- as is the case with all previous Integras -- and that limits what Acura can do with this one. Ikeda is saying an Integra coupe is possible without a two-door Civic to base it on, but it'd be quite expensive. Given that consumers have widely abandoned coupes, an expensive Integra three-door would quite obviously be a losing proposition.
The Civic coupe was discontinued for the car's 11th-generation likely due to low sales of the previous two-door. The new Integra is based on the Civic -- as is the case with all previous Integras -- and that limits what Acura can do with this one. Ikeda is saying an Integra coupe is possible without a two-door Civic to base it on, but it'd be quite expensive. Given that consumers have widely abandoned coupes, an expensive Integra three-door would quite obviously be a losing proposition.
I think they're falling into the same trap as with the ILX. It was based off the Civic and wasn't a coupe, yet sales were dismal.
What is Acura going to tell themselves if sales for this
If you're doubting the Integra's credentials, Ikeda points out that at the heart of every Integra is a great Civic, which Honda has now. He also tells us that the car's chief engineer owned two older Integras. "I said, 'Why did you buy an Integra?' Ikeda recalled. "He said, 'It was a very cool car and I was young and I was excited.' I said, 'Well, you know all the ingredients already. Just make that, because that's what it is.'"
#405
Team Owner
My issue is... what makes this integra? How is this any different than a new ILX if they had one? Just a hatch? If i recall correctly 4 door integra didnt have hatch.
The side profile looks like last Gen Hyundai Genesis coupe...
The side profile looks like last Gen Hyundai Genesis coupe...
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Ex-OEM King
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#408
^ That didn't remind me of a Civic either. Though it did remind me a bit of the Accord (minus 2 doors)
#409
Team Owner
That is too old... People who remember those Integra days wont be buying this new integra in the first place
Correction: i dont know who would wanna pay a premium for a 200hp 1.5L Acura. Integra or not. People didnt wanna buy ILX for the same reason.. dont understand what makes Acura think this is any different.
Correction: i dont know who would wanna pay a premium for a 200hp 1.5L Acura. Integra or not. People didnt wanna buy ILX for the same reason.. dont understand what makes Acura think this is any different.
#410
I figured it would be the last ICE car I'd purchase before everything went EV
#411
Team Owner
If i were to buy something like that i would spend the $$ and get a well kept s2000....
#412
Moderator
^
But, completely different class of car.
But, completely different class of car.
#413
Senior Moderator
#414
Team Owner
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Team Owner
#416
AZ Community Team
The New Acura Integra walk around!
#417
Old Man Yelling at Clouds
Interesting how they've yet to show the interior.....
#418
AZ Community Team
^ yeah, somehow I expect to have a modern Acura interior similar to the center stackup and driver gauge cluster in recent TLX/MDX/RDX
That partial clamshell hood screams Civic, woulda thought secondary sheet metal woulda been more unique.
That partial clamshell hood screams Civic, woulda thought secondary sheet metal woulda been more unique.
#419
Moderator
https://www.carscoops.com/2022/01/he...acura-integra/
2022 Civic interior, for comparison
One thing we’ve been curious about the new 2023 Integra is what it looks like inside, as Acura had the near-production prototype’s cabin hidden behind blacked out windows during the presentation last year.
Now, thanks to IG user user derphound01 who originally shared a few photos with a user of the IntegraForums before providing the full set to us today, we have our very first look inside the pre-production model, though they might come away as a bit disappointing to some who were excited to see a more premium Integra.
That’s because it’s a bit too similar to the Civic from the angles we’re seeing here. The dash does have some stylistic changes though like hard edges and angles sloping into the asymmetrical center console. The door pockets don’t look as large and the center infotainment system seems ever so slightly better integrated than in the Honda.
The long but mostly fake climate vent on the dash of the Civic is gone for a more straightforward pair of vents. Nevertheless, this doesn’t look like the pseudo-luxury treatment that many have come to expect from Acura. The back seat looks like it could’ve come out of any random sedan on sale today. It’s possible too that we’re far enough out from production that we might not be looking at the final product.
After all, there’s still a lot left to be revealed about the Integra including just what kind of power it will make in base form. We know it’ll use the same 1.5-liter tubocharged four-cylinder from the Civic Si, in which it makes 200 hp and 192 lb-ft (260 Nm) of torque, but many are hoping that it’ll pack a few more ponies under the bonnet. We also don’t know how many trim levels there will be or which one of them might apply to the interior we’re seeing here.
Now, thanks to IG user user derphound01 who originally shared a few photos with a user of the IntegraForums before providing the full set to us today, we have our very first look inside the pre-production model, though they might come away as a bit disappointing to some who were excited to see a more premium Integra.
That’s because it’s a bit too similar to the Civic from the angles we’re seeing here. The dash does have some stylistic changes though like hard edges and angles sloping into the asymmetrical center console. The door pockets don’t look as large and the center infotainment system seems ever so slightly better integrated than in the Honda.
The long but mostly fake climate vent on the dash of the Civic is gone for a more straightforward pair of vents. Nevertheless, this doesn’t look like the pseudo-luxury treatment that many have come to expect from Acura. The back seat looks like it could’ve come out of any random sedan on sale today. It’s possible too that we’re far enough out from production that we might not be looking at the final product.
After all, there’s still a lot left to be revealed about the Integra including just what kind of power it will make in base form. We know it’ll use the same 1.5-liter tubocharged four-cylinder from the Civic Si, in which it makes 200 hp and 192 lb-ft (260 Nm) of torque, but many are hoping that it’ll pack a few more ponies under the bonnet. We also don’t know how many trim levels there will be or which one of them might apply to the interior we’re seeing here.
2022 Civic interior, for comparison
#420
Old Man Yelling at Clouds
Whelp, fancy Civic it is.
#421
Senior Moderator
Well, we generally knew that it was the second coming of the Acura CSX Type S. Honestly, I actually think the ILX did a much better job of separating itself from the 9G Civic.
#422
Ex-OEM King
Looks like it has a touch screen and not a dumb fucking touchpad so I'll give them props for that! Depending on what this costs it might be a good play. If there's ever a Type S or Type R model it would be even better.
#423
Senior Moderator
I'll lay odds that the 2.5G TLX and 4.5G MDX will see the addition of touchscreen as well as the digital instrument cluster for upper trims on the former.
#424
Ex-OEM King
Good. It's about damn time. The dumb touchpad was a big reason we didn't even consider the MDX in our search. I'd like to meet whatever focus group they used that said it was a good design.
#425
Well, we generally knew that it was the second coming of the Acura CSX Type S. Honestly, I actually think the ILX did a much better job of separating itself from the 9G Civic.
#426
The whole shifter/center console area is a carbon copy of the Civic. If anything, I prefer the Civic's more because the Integra has the stupid piano-black trim.
#427
Whats up with RDX owners?
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Maybe I'm crazy but the Civic dash looks more upscale.
#428
I'm in agreement. The long honeycomb vent running across helps to break up what would be a swath of boring flat plastic. I'm sure the Integra materials are going to feel better to touch, but the looks of it feels boring and empty. The big shiny plastic panel running across the passenger side reminds me too much of the Fiat 500.
#429
Old Man Yelling at Clouds
I get it that luxury brands that were born from mass market auto makers (i.e. Acura, Lexus, Infiniti) will use common platforms. It only makes sense. But not differentiating them makes no sense. No one would every confuse a Lexus ES with a Camary. Or an IS with a Corolla. Or any Infiniti with a Nissan. Even the TLX is differentiated from an Accord. Mostly.
But to offer something that's supposed to be a "luxury" brand when it's just a slightly altered version of it's mass-market counterpart is lazy and uninspired. It's a miss. Not that the Integra will not have it's merits, but to make it so close to a Civic dilutes the brand at a time when they seem to be working hard to do the opposite.
But to offer something that's supposed to be a "luxury" brand when it's just a slightly altered version of it's mass-market counterpart is lazy and uninspired. It's a miss. Not that the Integra will not have it's merits, but to make it so close to a Civic dilutes the brand at a time when they seem to be working hard to do the opposite.
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I get it that luxury brands that were born from mass market auto makers (i.e. Acura, Lexus, Infiniti) will use common platforms. It only makes sense. But not differentiating them makes no sense. No one would every confuse a Lexus ES with a Camary. Or an IS with a Corolla. Or any Infiniti with a Nissan. Even the TLX is differentiated from an Accord. Mostly.
But to offer something that's supposed to be a "luxury" brand when it's just a slightly altered version of it's mass-market counterpart is lazy and uninspired. It's a miss. Not that the Integra will not have it's merits, but to make it so close to a Civic dilutes the brand at a time when they seem to be working hard to do the opposite.
But to offer something that's supposed to be a "luxury" brand when it's just a slightly altered version of it's mass-market counterpart is lazy and uninspired. It's a miss. Not that the Integra will not have it's merits, but to make it so close to a Civic dilutes the brand at a time when they seem to be working hard to do the opposite.
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#431
Whats up with RDX owners?
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It's GM circa 1970s-2000s laziness.
#432
I half expect this car to be missing a digital dash because:
1) It has to be different from the Civic
2) The big brother TLX doesn't have one, and this car can't outshine it
3) Something about how real drivers prefer analog gauges because it's easier to read on the track.
1) It has to be different from the Civic
2) The big brother TLX doesn't have one, and this car can't outshine it
3) Something about how real drivers prefer analog gauges because it's easier to read on the track.
#433
Ex-OEM King
#434
Team Owner
I prefer the Si interior as well.. You know it is Si interior just by looking at it..
That integra looks like any 30k entry level interior... if anything ILX had better interior...
That integra looks like any 30k entry level interior... if anything ILX had better interior...
#435
My first Avatar....
Oh...and no heated seats.
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#436
Team Owner
I am suspecting Civic Si would be $4-5k cheaper than this "luxurious" Integra... that is where the back of the car had gone
Also looking at the picture of the backseat in that Integra... it is not like you gaining much.... It does not even look like it has ambient lighting in the back...
https://www.carscoops.com/2022/01/he.../#lg=1&slide=4
Also looking at the picture of the backseat in that Integra... it is not like you gaining much.... It does not even look like it has ambient lighting in the back...
https://www.carscoops.com/2022/01/he.../#lg=1&slide=4
#437
Team Owner
Looking at those Integra pix again, i hope they are kidding with the exhaust tip.... INSIDE of the tips Does NOT need to be body colored... Dafuq....
https://www.carscoops.com/2022/01/he...#lg=1&slide=27
https://www.carscoops.com/2022/01/he...#lg=1&slide=27
#438
Ex-OEM King
I doubt those are the production exhaust tips.
#439
Race Director
For anybody who is trying to get their hands on the 2023 Acura Integra right when it comes out, this one’s for you. Instead of a normal launch, Acura is launching the Integra with a reservation list.
You’ll be able to reserve and pre-order an Integra online starting March 10. Of course, the reservation process still fully involves dealerships, as Acura states, “reservations handled by participating dealers” at the bottom of its press release.
Acura hasn’t revealed production details or even shown us photos of the Integra’s interior yet, but since it’s going to ask folks to reserve a car to buy, we suspect those details and photos will be coming soon. If you want a sneak peek, we got some photos of the partially-covered interior of the Integra Prototype. Pricing is just as vague as before, too, as Acura simply states that it “will start around $30,000.”
The actual website where Acura directs you says “supply will be limited” of the Integra. In today’s market, that very well may be true. However, the base Integra has never been, nor do we expect it to be, a limited-availability model. It’s an entry-level, sporty hatchback that will eventually be widely available, even if a certain level of hype makes them thin on the ground upon initially launching. Basically, don’t be fooled by the messaging.
If you do want to reserve one, Acura has a sign-up on its website that will put you on a list to be notified the second the reservation site goes live. There’s no suggestion that any deposit will be required to reserve a spot for now, but we’ll be looking out for details on that closer to the launch of reservations on March 10.
You’ll be able to reserve and pre-order an Integra online starting March 10. Of course, the reservation process still fully involves dealerships, as Acura states, “reservations handled by participating dealers” at the bottom of its press release.
Acura hasn’t revealed production details or even shown us photos of the Integra’s interior yet, but since it’s going to ask folks to reserve a car to buy, we suspect those details and photos will be coming soon. If you want a sneak peek, we got some photos of the partially-covered interior of the Integra Prototype. Pricing is just as vague as before, too, as Acura simply states that it “will start around $30,000.”
The actual website where Acura directs you says “supply will be limited” of the Integra. In today’s market, that very well may be true. However, the base Integra has never been, nor do we expect it to be, a limited-availability model. It’s an entry-level, sporty hatchback that will eventually be widely available, even if a certain level of hype makes them thin on the ground upon initially launching. Basically, don’t be fooled by the messaging.
If you do want to reserve one, Acura has a sign-up on its website that will put you on a list to be notified the second the reservation site goes live. There’s no suggestion that any deposit will be required to reserve a spot for now, but we’ll be looking out for details on that closer to the launch of reservations on March 10.
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