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11-18-2021, 02:03 PM
#361
A twin turbo setup is to reduce lag by making the impellers smaller as they need to pass less flow through each bank of the engine. A twin scroll accomplishes the same task by having two different impellers in the same housing. Other than sounding more fancy, a twin turbo setup is no better or worse than a twin scroll.
I can't think of any high performance variant using a twin-scroll instead of a TT setup. BMW M, Audi RS, Merc 63 AMG, CT4-V Blackwing, Alfa QV, Porsche Turbo (excluding the Taycan), hell even the NSX are all TTs. That new 3.5L turbo Lexus is reportedly going to be putting in all their F cars is a TT too.
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11-18-2021, 02:41 PM
#362
Team Owner
Twin turbos generally have a higher ceiling than a single twin scroll turbo. There's a reason why high performance cars use TTs and not a single twin-scroll turbo. Even with two impellers, the single twin-scroll turbo is still just a single turbo in terms of the maximum amount of air it's able to flow efficiently. It operates kind of like sequential twin turbos, except the second (larger) turbo is the size of the (smaller) single turbo.
I can't think of any high performance variant using a twin-scroll instead of a TT setup. BMW M, Audi RS, Merc 63 AMG, CT4-V Blackwing, Alfa QV, Porsche Turbo (excluding the Taycan), hell even the NSX are all TTs. That new 3.5L turbo Lexus is reportedly going to be putting in all their F cars is a TT too.
I can't think of any high performance variant using a twin-scroll instead of a TT setup. BMW M, Audi RS, Merc 63 AMG, CT4-V Blackwing, Alfa QV, Porsche Turbo (excluding the Taycan), hell even the NSX are all TTs. That new 3.5L turbo Lexus is reportedly going to be putting in all their F cars is a TT too.
Yah TT makes sense if it is V8 or V10 or V12... on a 6 cylinders, it does not really matter. It is just whatever the manuf. decided to do. A single Twinscroll turbo is just as capable as any TT in stock form but with less hardware and less weight. (See M340i)
In the aftermarket world, if you REALLY want to upgrade power out of a 6 cylinder, you need single turbo since you cannot realistically put 2 huge upgraded turbos in a 6 cylinders engine and still expect the car to be drivable.
A modified single turbo B58 is just as capable as a modified Twinturbo S58.. at the end of the day it is just the size of the turbo, tuning and other supporting components.
But to say Twinturbo is somehow better or have higher celling than Single turbo is not accurate.
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11-18-2021, 02:45 PM
#363
Team Owner
A twin turbo setup is to reduce lag by making the impellers smaller as they need to pass less flow through each bank of the engine. A twin scroll accomplishes the same task by having two different impellers in the same housing. Other than sounding more fancy, a twin turbo setup is no better or worse than a twin scroll.
Agreed.
11-18-2021, 04:15 PM
#364
Yah TT makes sense if it is V8 or V10 or V12... on a 6 cylinders, it does not really matter. It is just whatever the manuf. decided to do. A single Twinscroll turbo is just as capable as any TT in stock form but with less hardware and less weight. (See M340i)
In the aftermarket world, if you REALLY want to upgrade power out of a 6 cylinder, you need single turbo since you cannot realistically put 2 huge upgraded turbos in a 6 cylinders engine and still expect the car to be drivable.
A modified single turbo B58 is just as capable as a modified Twinturbo S58.. at the end of the day it is just the size of the turbo, tuning and other supporting components.
But to say Twinturbo is somehow better or have higher celling than Single turbo is not accurate.
In the aftermarket world, if you REALLY want to upgrade power out of a 6 cylinder, you need single turbo since you cannot realistically put 2 huge upgraded turbos in a 6 cylinders engine and still expect the car to be drivable.
A modified single turbo B58 is just as capable as a modified Twinturbo S58.. at the end of the day it is just the size of the turbo, tuning and other supporting components.
But to say Twinturbo is somehow better or have higher celling than Single turbo is not accurate.
11-18-2021, 04:41 PM
#365
Team Owner
There are many reasons to use it other than performance itself.
Can BMW makes the M3 as fast with 1 twinscroll Turbo instead of 2 Turbos? If the answer is Yes, then you just answered your own question.
1. Twinturbo sounds fancy... so it makes you feel you are getting your $$ worth. If you are gonna charge more, you need to make it at least on paper you are getting more.
2. More differentiation from the lower trim models.
3. Tradition
If you use M340i for example, it really does not take much to be at the same level as M3 in terms of straight line acceleration ... all you need is a mild tune, DP, exhaust. That will give you about 460 whp with single turbo. That is without upgrading the turbo itself.
So if BMW wanted to go that route with M3, they could have and It will just be as fast. But i personally would keep the TT set up for M3.. just to make M3 customers happy and they could feel they are driving something really unique... at the end of the day, they are paying for it.
In the old days, TT was less laggy than Single and that was the main reason to go with TT. But now in 2021, that is not even an issue anymore. You have Twin scroll, Electricity and other ways to make up for it. Most of the modern single turbo performance cars makes peak torque at less than 2000 rpm and it takes no time to spool up the turbo.
Can BMW makes the M3 as fast with 1 twinscroll Turbo instead of 2 Turbos? If the answer is Yes, then you just answered your own question.
1. Twinturbo sounds fancy... so it makes you feel you are getting your $$ worth. If you are gonna charge more, you need to make it at least on paper you are getting more.
2. More differentiation from the lower trim models.
3. Tradition
If you use M340i for example, it really does not take much to be at the same level as M3 in terms of straight line acceleration ... all you need is a mild tune, DP, exhaust. That will give you about 460 whp with single turbo. That is without upgrading the turbo itself.
So if BMW wanted to go that route with M3, they could have and It will just be as fast. But i personally would keep the TT set up for M3.. just to make M3 customers happy and they could feel they are driving something really unique... at the end of the day, they are paying for it.
In the old days, TT was less laggy than Single and that was the main reason to go with TT. But now in 2021, that is not even an issue anymore. You have Twin scroll, Electricity and other ways to make up for it. Most of the modern single turbo performance cars makes peak torque at less than 2000 rpm and it takes no time to spool up the turbo.
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11-18-2021, 04:58 PM
#366
Ex-OEM King
Twin turbos generally have a higher ceiling than a single twin scroll turbo. There's a reason why high performance cars use TTs and not a single twin-scroll turbo. Even with two impellers, the single twin-scroll turbo is still just a single turbo in terms of the maximum amount of air it's able to flow efficiently. It operates kind of like sequential twin turbos, except the second (larger) turbo is the size of the (smaller) single turbo.
I can't think of any high performance variant using a twin-scroll instead of a TT setup. BMW M, Audi RS, Merc 63 AMG, CT4-V Blackwing, Alfa QV, Porsche Turbo (excluding the Taycan), hell even the NSX are all TTs. That new 3.5L turbo Lexus is reportedly going to be putting in all their F cars is a TT too.
I can't think of any high performance variant using a twin-scroll instead of a TT setup. BMW M, Audi RS, Merc 63 AMG, CT4-V Blackwing, Alfa QV, Porsche Turbo (excluding the Taycan), hell even the NSX are all TTs. That new 3.5L turbo Lexus is reportedly going to be putting in all their F cars is a TT too.
If there's room in the car and budget for a two turbo setup, that's better than a twin scroll as it'll respond a bit faster and move air more freely. The best is a twin twin scroll set up but those are expensive.
So...why does the S58 use a TT and B58 use a twin scroll? Why does the RS cars and Porsche use a TT for their 2.9 V6? Why does Alfa use a TT for their V6? And why does Acura use a TT for the V6 in the NSX? All the cars (other than the AMG cars) are 6cyl, and all have TTs.
11-18-2021, 05:03 PM
#367
There are many reasons to use it other than performance itself.
Can BMW makes the M3 as fast with 1 twinscroll Turbo instead of 2 Turbos? If the answer is Yes, then you just answered your own question.
1. Twinturbo sounds fancy... so it makes you feel you are getting your $$ worth. If you are gonna charge more, you need to make it at least on paper you are getting more.
2. More differentiation from the lower trim models.
3. Tradition
If you use M340i for example, it really does not take much to be at the same level as M3 in terms of straight line acceleration ... all you need is a mild tune, DP, exhaust. That will give you about 460 whp with single turbo. That is without upgrading the turbo itself.
So if BMW wanted to go that route with M3, they could have and It will just be as fast. But i personally would keep the TT set up for M3.. just to make M3 customers happy and they could feel they are driving something really unique... at the end of the day, they are paying for it.
In the old days, TT was less laggy than Single and that was the main reason to go with TT. But now in 2021, that is not even an issue anymore. You have Twin scroll, Electricity and other ways to make up for it. Most of the modern single turbo performance cars makes peak torque at less than 2000 rpm and it takes no time to spool up the turbo.
Can BMW makes the M3 as fast with 1 twinscroll Turbo instead of 2 Turbos? If the answer is Yes, then you just answered your own question.
1. Twinturbo sounds fancy... so it makes you feel you are getting your $$ worth. If you are gonna charge more, you need to make it at least on paper you are getting more.
2. More differentiation from the lower trim models.
3. Tradition
If you use M340i for example, it really does not take much to be at the same level as M3 in terms of straight line acceleration ... all you need is a mild tune, DP, exhaust. That will give you about 460 whp with single turbo. That is without upgrading the turbo itself.
So if BMW wanted to go that route with M3, they could have and It will just be as fast. But i personally would keep the TT set up for M3.. just to make M3 customers happy and they could feel they are driving something really unique... at the end of the day, they are paying for it.
In the old days, TT was less laggy than Single and that was the main reason to go with TT. But now in 2021, that is not even an issue anymore. You have Twin scroll, Electricity and other ways to make up for it. Most of the modern single turbo performance cars makes peak torque at less than 2000 rpm and it takes no time to spool up the turbo.
11-18-2021, 05:13 PM
#368
Team Owner
All marketing. i am sure they named it TWINscroll on purpose.
If i were to buy one of those top trim performance cars like M3 or 911 TT, i would not wanna share engine with the commoners like M340i or whatever inferior model trims in VW/Audi/Porsche line up.
That reason alone is enough for those manuf. to continue to differentiate those top trims.
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11-18-2021, 06:21 PM
#369
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Acura had big shoes to fill using the Intergra name and they royally let everyone down by slapping a giant sticker on a civic and ta-da.. Your new Intergra. the biggest F-You to everyone out there.. They wouldn't have such a back lash if they called it the next ILX or something else. The internet had a field day with this. Acura needs to get their shit together. Enough already.
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11-19-2021, 12:30 AM
#370
6G TLX-S
It did.. the fact they called it Twinscroll have already confused enough ppl. I remember so many people were confused when BMW went from N54 to N55 (TT to Twinscroll)
All marketing. i am sure they named it TWINscroll on purpose.
If i were to buy one of those top trim performance cars like M3 or 911 TT, i would not wanna share engine with the commoners like M340i or whatever inferior model trims in VW/Audi/Porsche line up.
That reason alone is enough for those manuf. to continue to differentiate those top trims.
All marketing. i am sure they named it TWINscroll on purpose.
If i were to buy one of those top trim performance cars like M3 or 911 TT, i would not wanna share engine with the commoners like M340i or whatever inferior model trims in VW/Audi/Porsche line up.
That reason alone is enough for those manuf. to continue to differentiate those top trims.
Its 3.0L single-turbo V6 generates 335hp and 332 lb-ft torque, whereas its 2.9L twin-turbo V6 generates 434hp and 405 lb-ft torque. That is a whopping difference of almost 100hp with one additional turbocharger, even with 100cc less engine displacement. Incidentally, the Honda J-series single-turbo, twin-scroll, DOHC, direct-injection, 3L-V6 engine also generates 335hp.
In fact, even with today's engine technology, it is still not possible for a single-turbo (with or without twin-scroll) 3L-V6 mass production engine to crank out 400+ hp. But a twin-turbo 3L-V6 can, with a dedicated turbocharger or supercharger located on each bank of the 400+ hp V6 engine,
This is more than marketing ploy. With almost 100 additional hp to play with, even my grannies can tell the difference between a 335hp single-turbo V6 vehicle and a 435hp twin-turbo V6 vehicle, at the very moment when one steps on the gas pedal.
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11-19-2021, 01:20 AM
#371
Acura had big shoes to fill using the Intergra name and they royally let everyone down by slapping a giant sticker on a civic and ta-da.. Your new Intergra. the biggest F-You to everyone out there.. They wouldn't have such a back lash if they called it the next ILX or something else. The internet had a field day with this. Acura needs to get their shit together. Enough already.
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11-19-2021, 06:33 AM
#372
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Using Porsche Audi as an example, there is a huge difference in terms of output power for single-turbo V6 engines versus twin-turbo V6 engines.
Its 3.0L single-turbo V6 generates 335hp and 332 lb-ft torque, whereas its 2.9L twin-turbo V6 generates 434hp and 405 lb-ft torque...
Its 3.0L single-turbo V6 generates 335hp and 332 lb-ft torque, whereas its 2.9L twin-turbo V6 generates 434hp and 405 lb-ft torque...
11-19-2021, 09:08 AM
#373
Ex-OEM King
Using Porsche as an example, there is a huge difference in terms of output power for single-turbo V6 engines versus twin-turbo V6 engines.
Its 3.0L single-turbo V6 generates 335hp and 332 lb-ft torque, whereas its 2.9L twin-turbo V6 generates 434hp and 405 lb-ft torque. That is a whopping difference of almost 100hp with one additional turbocharger, even with 100cc less engine displacement. Incidentally, the Honda J-series single-turbo, twin-scroll, DOHC, direct-injection, 3L-V6 engine also generates 335hp.
In fact, even with today's engine technology, it is still not possible for a single-turbo (with or without twin-scroll) 3L-V6 mass production engine to crank out 400+ hp. But a twin-turbo 3L-V6 can, with a dedicated turbocharger or supercharger located on each bank of the 400+ hp V6 engine,
This is more than marketing ploy. With almost 100 additional hp to play with, even my grannies can tell the difference between a 335hp single-turbo V6 vehicle and a 435hp twin-turbo V6 vehicle, at the very moment when one steps on the gas pedal.
Its 3.0L single-turbo V6 generates 335hp and 332 lb-ft torque, whereas its 2.9L twin-turbo V6 generates 434hp and 405 lb-ft torque. That is a whopping difference of almost 100hp with one additional turbocharger, even with 100cc less engine displacement. Incidentally, the Honda J-series single-turbo, twin-scroll, DOHC, direct-injection, 3L-V6 engine also generates 335hp.
In fact, even with today's engine technology, it is still not possible for a single-turbo (with or without twin-scroll) 3L-V6 mass production engine to crank out 400+ hp. But a twin-turbo 3L-V6 can, with a dedicated turbocharger or supercharger located on each bank of the 400+ hp V6 engine,
This is more than marketing ploy. With almost 100 additional hp to play with, even my grannies can tell the difference between a 335hp single-turbo V6 vehicle and a 435hp twin-turbo V6 vehicle, at the very moment when one steps on the gas pedal.
The difference between the Audi S and RS engines most definitely are only the turbos right? Nothing to do with state of tune or engine internals or the fact that it's an entirely different engine right? Definitely not otherwise Mercedes wouldn't be able to pull 420hp out of 2.0L and one turbo and no one has been able to easily change the tune on the 3.0T motor (or the B58) to push WAY more than 400hp. amirite?
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11-19-2021, 10:38 AM
#374
Old Man Yelling at Clouds
Lol, I find it amusing and telling that in the Integra thread the most interesting conversation is about the power other cars make.
11-19-2021, 12:09 PM
#375
Team Owner
Acura had big shoes to fill using the Intergra name and they royally let everyone down by slapping a giant sticker on a civic and ta-da.. Your new Intergra. the biggest F-You to everyone out there.. They wouldn't have such a back lash if they called it the next ILX or something else. The internet had a field day with this. Acura needs to get their shit together. Enough already.
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11-19-2021, 12:10 PM
#376
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11-19-2021, 12:14 PM
#377
Team Owner
Using Porsche as an example, there is a huge difference in terms of output power for single-turbo V6 engines versus twin-turbo V6 engines.
Its 3.0L single-turbo V6 generates 335hp and 332 lb-ft torque, whereas its 2.9L twin-turbo V6 generates 434hp and 405 lb-ft torque. That is a whopping difference of almost 100hp with one additional turbocharger, even with 100cc less engine displacement. Incidentally, the Honda J-series single-turbo, twin-scroll, DOHC, direct-injection, 3L-V6 engine also generates 335hp.
In fact, even with today's engine technology, it is still not possible for a single-turbo (with or without twin-scroll) 3L-V6 mass production engine to crank out 400+ hp. But a twin-turbo 3L-V6 can, with a dedicated turbocharger or supercharger located on each bank of the 400+ hp V6 engine,
This is more than marketing ploy. With almost 100 additional hp to play with, even my grannies can tell the difference between a 335hp single-turbo V6 vehicle and a 435hp twin-turbo V6 vehicle, at the very moment when one steps on the gas pedal.
Its 3.0L single-turbo V6 generates 335hp and 332 lb-ft torque, whereas its 2.9L twin-turbo V6 generates 434hp and 405 lb-ft torque. That is a whopping difference of almost 100hp with one additional turbocharger, even with 100cc less engine displacement. Incidentally, the Honda J-series single-turbo, twin-scroll, DOHC, direct-injection, 3L-V6 engine also generates 335hp.
In fact, even with today's engine technology, it is still not possible for a single-turbo (with or without twin-scroll) 3L-V6 mass production engine to crank out 400+ hp. But a twin-turbo 3L-V6 can, with a dedicated turbocharger or supercharger located on each bank of the 400+ hp V6 engine,
This is more than marketing ploy. With almost 100 additional hp to play with, even my grannies can tell the difference between a 335hp single-turbo V6 vehicle and a 435hp twin-turbo V6 vehicle, at the very moment when one steps on the gas pedal.
JB4 Stage 1 with DP will put it over 430whp without affecting any thing else. .....
i am not really sure what you are talking about.
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11-19-2021, 12:16 PM
#378
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It is fucking embarrassing if you ask me.. the less talk the better.
I would be perfectly OK if Honda uses the 1.5T with some kind of battery pack... instead of just using that slow ass SI engine.
11-19-2021, 12:54 PM
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11-19-2021, 03:57 PM
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Breaking News: Honda will revive Prelude. Its newest addition to the 1.5L 200hp FWD lineup.
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11-19-2021, 04:51 PM
#383
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11-19-2021, 05:14 PM
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lolwut? Mercedes has a 2.0L single turbo (twin scroll) 4 cylinder that pushes 420hp in stock form. Not to mention a 3.0L I6 single turbo with the same power output.
The difference between the Audi S and RS engines most definitely are only the turbos right? Nothing to do with state of tune or engine internals or the fact that it's an entirely different engine right? Definitely not otherwise Mercedes wouldn't be able to pull 420hp out of 2.0L and one turbo and no one has been able to easily change the tune on the 3.0T motor (or the B58) to push WAY more than 400hp. amirite?
The difference between the Audi S and RS engines most definitely are only the turbos right? Nothing to do with state of tune or engine internals or the fact that it's an entirely different engine right? Definitely not otherwise Mercedes wouldn't be able to pull 420hp out of 2.0L and one turbo and no one has been able to easily change the tune on the 3.0T motor (or the B58) to push WAY more than 400hp. amirite?
11-19-2021, 05:22 PM
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11-19-2021, 05:30 PM
#386
Team Owner
Wait wait... is this for real? after all that and even adding FI, it only added like 20-30hp more than the previous 3.5/3.7L NA J Series engine? and even counting the weight yet... That is why it is so slow...
Remind him that the TLX-S put down an impressive 287 Whp.
11-19-2021, 05:53 PM
#387
My first Avatar....
11-19-2021, 06:03 PM
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It's real.. Sadly, but true..
The type-s stock base line numbers are 284 wHP & 296 wTQ
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11-19-2021, 06:13 PM
#389
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Oh you mean that little bump at the end? WTF is that? Is that what Vtec just kicked in Yo (for 1 sec) looks like on paper?
It is a high 13 sec car... that is all we need to know... i thought it was because of the weight... but now i know it also doesnt have enough power.
It is a high 13 sec car... that is all we need to know... i thought it was because of the weight... but now i know it also doesnt have enough power.
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11-19-2021, 06:16 PM
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11-20-2021, 04:09 AM
#391
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Using Porsche as an example, there is a huge difference in terms of output power for single-turbo V6 engines versus twin-turbo V6 engines.
Its 3.0L single-turbo V6 generates 335hp and 332 lb-ft torque, whereas its 2.9L twin-turbo V6 generates 434hp and 405 lb-ft torque. That is a whopping difference of almost 100hp with one additional turbocharger, even with 100cc less engine displacement. Incidentally, the Honda J-series single-turbo, twin-scroll, DOHC, direct-injection, 3L-V6 engine also generates 335hp.
In fact, even with today's engine technology, it is still not possible for a single-turbo (with or without twin-scroll) 3L-V6 mass production engine to crank out 400+ hp. But a twin-turbo 3L-V6 can, with a dedicated turbocharger or supercharger located on each bank of the 400+ hp V6 engine,
.....
Its 3.0L single-turbo V6 generates 335hp and 332 lb-ft torque, whereas its 2.9L twin-turbo V6 generates 434hp and 405 lb-ft torque. That is a whopping difference of almost 100hp with one additional turbocharger, even with 100cc less engine displacement. Incidentally, the Honda J-series single-turbo, twin-scroll, DOHC, direct-injection, 3L-V6 engine also generates 335hp.
In fact, even with today's engine technology, it is still not possible for a single-turbo (with or without twin-scroll) 3L-V6 mass production engine to crank out 400+ hp. But a twin-turbo 3L-V6 can, with a dedicated turbocharger or supercharger located on each bank of the 400+ hp V6 engine,
.....
lolwut? Mercedes has a 2.0L single turbo (twin scroll) 4 cylinder that pushes 420hp in stock form. Not to mention a 3.0L I6 single turbo with the same power output.
The difference between the Audi S and RS engines most definitely are only the turbos right? Nothing to do with state of tune or engine internals or the fact that it's an entirely different engine right? Definitely not otherwise Mercedes wouldn't be able to pull 420hp out of 2.0L and one turbo and no one has been able to easily change the tune on the 3.0T motor (or the B58) to push WAY more than 400hp. amirite?
The difference between the Audi S and RS engines most definitely are only the turbos right? Nothing to do with state of tune or engine internals or the fact that it's an entirely different engine right? Definitely not otherwise Mercedes wouldn't be able to pull 420hp out of 2.0L and one turbo and no one has been able to easily change the tune on the 3.0T motor (or the B58) to push WAY more than 400hp. amirite?
I'm talking about mass production 3L-V6 engines, not inline 4-cylinder engines, nor 3L inline-6 engines, nor warranty-voiding aftermarket engine tuning.
Why ? Because only on V configuration engines is available with an architecture choice of using 1 turbo/super charger or 2 identical turbo/super chargers. A V6 engine is more or less equivalent to two inline 3-cylinder engines merged together.
However, no automaker is stupid enough to slap on two identical turbo/super chargers on its inline-4 and inline-6 engines, except in BMW case that it is using one bigger turbocharger together with one smaller turbocharger for high-top-speed-and-minimal-turbo-lag application. So inline engines are not a suitable engine platform to compare the performance difference between using 1 or 2 turbo/super chargers.
While focus on products from a single automaker, we can easily rule out engine technology variations and discrepancies that arise from when comparing engines made by vastly different automakers.
Using the mass production Porsche 3L-V6 engines as the base engine platform, Porsche have come up with a single-turbo 3.0L-V6 generating 335hp / 332 lb-ft, and a twin-turbo 2.9L-V6 generating 434hp /405 lb-ft. This is the significant difference in output power between having a single turbocharger and having 2 identical turbochargers on similar-technology V6 engines. For some engineering, reliability, or whatever reasons, Porsche won't make a 400+hp single-turbo 3L-V6 engine, but instead, devotes $$$$$ to create a twin-turbo 2.9L-V6 engine that generates 400+hp.
This is what I was talking about.
11-20-2021, 09:22 AM
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11-20-2021, 10:16 AM
#393
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What a shame.
11-20-2021, 01:19 PM
#394
If only Acura had done a focus group.
Time for Jon Ikeda to go? There were high hopes when he was promoted to replace Mike Accavitti 6+ years ago who did a
job though Ikeda has done a slightly less job.
Or maybe it's not the person but the Acura brand?
Time for Jon Ikeda to go? There were high hopes when he was promoted to replace Mike Accavitti 6+ years ago who did a
job though Ikeda has done a slightly less job.Or maybe it's not the person but the Acura brand?
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11-20-2021, 01:46 PM
#395
Old Man Yelling at Clouds
"If you misbrand your car, you company looks dumb."
Yup.
How can you be the "performance" arm of Honda without offering a performance car.
(or you have to get the very very top, special trim level to get one by by then it's still not as good as it's competition).
Yup.
How can you be the "performance" arm of Honda without offering a performance car.
(or you have to get the very very top, special trim level to get one by by then it's still not as good as it's competition).
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04WDPSeDaN (11-20-2021)
11-20-2021, 03:41 PM
#396
iWhine S/C 6MT TL
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I agree with you. Either he's the Muppet or the driving force to Acura's spiraling out of control. The TLX-S got a lot of heat because Acura's marketing team. It's the slowest, heaviest and overpriced in it's class but don't let that fool you. Acura will still tell you S stands for Speed, Less talk more drive, precision crafted performance, Torque vectoring Super handing all wheel drive, blah blah blah. The clever bullshit marketing just keeps on going.. It's such a shit show.
11-20-2021, 05:37 PM
#397
I think the Civic Si looks better than the Integra if I'm being honest...
11-20-2021, 07:30 PM
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