Originally Posted by Shadow2056

Honda doesn't really work that way. When I look at the deals I've gotten and seen us losing $1200, it's an actual -$1200. No kick back. Even if the dealership gets the financing. Nope. Still -$1200. Looking at it on the screen and seeing it in the office still be a -$1200 deal. These are things customers THINK but don't actually see.
Not really. I've had the service manager ream me out about trying to get something done that I shouldn't have. Other times fuss at me saying I don't get to get in front of his customers. I don't really get red carpet treatment. The same advice they give me is the same they'd give to a customer. And I've heard this on a number of occasions.
True indeed. I'd probably keep all the decals on it though.
If you look at BMW and Mercedes, they actually have a slight stretch on their factory tires. Now I'm not looking for a CRAZY stretch like 215s on a 9.5. Ugh! Lol. Nor am I fan of crazy camber either.

Originally Posted by 04WDPSeDaN

Off the top of my head,

The 3rd gen TL A-spec package varied as the years went on. For argument sake, I'll discuss the 2004 Since it had the most complete A-spec package

-Front under body lip
-Rear under body lip
-Side skirts
-Rear wing spoiler
- A-spec emblem on trunk
-New tire information sticker on drivers side (varied spare specs due to auto or manual)
-18 x 8.5 A-spec wheels with high performance tires
-Two tone A-spec steering wheel
-A-spec suspension which was lower but varied auto vs manual. I believe the manual was stiffer and lower (1 inch vs .8)
-High performance brake pads only on the automatic version

So while there was no engine performance upgrade on the A-spec, it did (in theory) have upgrades which would benefit the driver on a track environment.

Originally Posted by 04WDPSeDaN

Off the top of my head,

The 3rd gen TL A-spec package varied as the years went on. For argument sake, I'll discuss the 2004 Since it had the most complete A-spec package

-Front under body lip
-Rear under body lip
-Side skirts
-Rear wing spoiler
- A-spec emblem on trunk
-New tire information sticker on drivers side (varied spare specs due to auto or manual)
-18 x 8.5 A-spec wheels with high performance tires
-Two tone A-spec steering wheel
-A-spec suspension which was lower but varied auto vs manual. I believe the manual was stiffer and lower (1 inch vs .8)
-High performance brake pads only on the automatic version

So while there was no engine performance upgrade on the A-spec, it did (in theory) have upgrades which would benefit the driver on a track environment.

Originally Posted by Honda430

The F Sport does have an upgraded suspension in relationship to the standard ES. The question is even with the up graded suspension would it handle as well as an Aspec. Got to keep in mind where the Lexus is starting from suspension wise. Every time I've test driven an ES the ride was so pedestrian that I couldn't wait to get out of the car.

Originally Posted by Honda430

The F Sport does have an upgraded suspension in relationship to the standard ES. The question is even with the up graded suspension would it handle as well as an Aspec. Got to keep in mind where the Lexus is starting from suspension wise. Every time I've test driven an ES the ride was so pedestrian that I couldn't wait to get out of the car.

Originally Posted by Shadow2056

I think the ES is more for...older ones. Lol! Soft like a Cadi. The GS and IS are the ones with a more sporty ride. Slightly stiffer. Supposed to be more for the middle aged to younger crowd. ES made more for the 45+ crowd wanting a comfortable ride.

IMO, I think the A-Spec should at least have a lower drop or some kind of performance upgrade to it. Not just a lip kit and special interior.

Originally Posted by F23A4

Originally Posted by Acura TL Builder

Not bad, C&D says the TL got a 5.6 second 0-60.

Originally Posted by Honda430

I agree. The Aspec should have least had the adaptive suspension. Nonetheless it seems to be the variation that garners the most press and perhaps the most sales.

Originally Posted by Shadow2056

You give a car a title like "A-Spec", it should have some type of performance upgrades. Just like the older ones. Lowered suspension. Shoot. Even an exhaust. The adaptive suspension would have been a nice touch.

Originally Posted by robnalex

I'm not disputing the reports by @04WDPSeDaN and @SRB-TL about horrific sales and services practices at Acura Dealerships, however, it's important to note that there are notable exceptions. I've enjoyed a 25+ year relationship with an Acura Dealership in Cary, NC. My preferred Service Advisor, and several others in the service department, have been there at least that long. Their Shop Foreman is a treasure of knowledge, experience, and integrity, and has been there for over 30 years. They never upsell service work. Instead, they always provide options, and on major items, they usually get me a discount.

Anyone who's bought a car or two has likely experienced the lets-make-a-deal-torture-chamber-of-horrors. We bought our RDX two years ago from this same Dealership, with a decent salesman who didn't employ any of the B.S. tactics you guys described, however, we did have to play the old back and forth to the sales manager for every proposal. Two months ago I met with the same sales rep to test drive (and ultimately purchase) our TLX. They had a sticker price of $45,900 on the car. I'd done my homework, and knew what I was willing to pay. I told him "We're not going to play lets-make-a-deal on this car. Give me your best price, and if I like it I won't shop other Dealers." He asked, "Do you have a price in mind?" I said, "I'm not giving you a number." He said OK, and came back with $39,000 - under 41K out the door. Deal. When we met with the Finance Guy, he started to pitch the snake oil add-ons. My wife looked him dead in the eye and said, "I don't want any of that." Done. Could I have gotten it for less by shopping and turning it into a project? Probably, but it was worth at least $500 to me not to have to do that. Even relatively decent sales reps are never going to say no to a higher price, but if you can find one who's above board and knows you're not f-ing around, you don't have to overpay.

My apologies for perpetuating this OT discussion, but I think it's important to point out that there are some decent Dealerships out there. We're lucky to have one here, and I feel bad for those who don't have a choice and have to deal with the a-holes. So, to make this post relevant to the thread, the future Dealer prices for the Type-S will depend in large part on how much BS buyers are willing to put up with and how much they're willing to pay.

Originally Posted by Shadow2056

You give a car a title like "A-Spec", it should have some type of performance upgrades. Just like the older ones. Lowered suspension. Shoot. Even an exhaust. The adaptive suspension would have been a nice touch.

Originally Posted by Shadow2056

You give a car a title like "A-Spec", it should have some type of performance upgrades. Just like the older ones. Lowered suspension. Shoot. Even an exhaust. The adaptive suspension would have been a nice touch.

Originally Posted by whiteGSR

FYI, the original "A-Spec" was on the 2003 3.2 TL Type S and it did not have any performance upgrades either.

http://www.autos.ca/car-test-drives/...type-s-a-spec/

Originally Posted by Acura TL Builder

They did it right then, because this is the definition: https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=A-spec

j/k its actually: A slang term used to describe the U.S. variant of a Jspec (Japanese Spec) or JDM (Japanese Domestic Market) automobile.

Originally Posted by whiteGSR

FYI, the original "A-Spec" was on the 2003 3.2 TL Type S and it did not have any performance upgrades either.

http://www.autos.ca/car-test-drives/...type-s-a-spec/

Originally Posted by bilirubin

That's correct. A-spec was originally an upgrade package for the Type S. Although over the years, A-spec was diluted into what is now primarily an appearance package for non-Type S models.

Originally Posted by bilirubin

That's correct. A-spec was originally an upgrade package for the Type S. Although over the years, A-spec was diluted into what is now primarily an appearance package for non-Type S models.

Originally Posted by whiteGSR

It's probably because there was no Type S from 2004 to 2006, and then none from 2009 to 2020.

Watch, maybe they will come out with a 2024 TLX Type S A-Spec with the optional side skirts and finally the HUD lol

Originally Posted by MIKEYDRED

I think you guys are nitpicking ASpec is fine when compared to other models in the lineup. It's no different than Fsport or Msport, SLine etc. they almost appearance packages.

Originally Posted by MIKEYDRED

I think you guys are nitpicking ASpec is fine when compared to other models in the lineup. It's no different than Fsport or Msport, SLine etc. they almost appearance packages.

Originally Posted by MIKEYDRED

I think you guys are nitpicking ASpec is fine when compared to other models in the lineup. It's no different than Fsport or Msport, SLine etc. they almost appearance packages.

Originally Posted by whiteGSR

It's probably because there was no Type S from 2004 to 2006, and then none from 2009 to 2020.

Watch, maybe they will come out with a 2024 TLX Type S A-Spec with the optional side skirts and finally the HUD lol

Originally Posted by Honda430

Actually the Aspec model has been a marketing success for Acura. Judging from the FB TLX-2 group responses the model is bringing younger buyers into the showroom which is of course a win for Acura. Now with the Type S Acura has a performance model so there’s no need for the Aspec to fill the gap.

I’d like to see a Type S lite configuration with the only difference the T-4. The knock against that would be at what would probably be a $51K price tag it might not attract enough buyers to be a success. I’m thinking the odds of seeing an Aspec Advance at the MMY refresh is a more likely event.

Originally Posted by MIKEYDRED

I think you guys are nitpicking ASpec is fine when compared to other models in the lineup. It's no different than Fsport or Msport, SLine etc. they almost appearance packages.

Originally Posted by whiteGSR

Sorry I think you misunderstood me. I am fine with A-Spec not giving any performance increases. In fact, I bought the A-Spec aerokit for my 3G TL-S 6mt, which does not give it any performance benefits. The "A" can stand for Appearance to me. I also have at least the OEM front lip kit on my other Honda/Acura's. It's not about making the car look faster, it's about making it look better.

Originally Posted by ELIN

I understand what you're saying but can the '21 TLX Type S only enjoy a model year run of just 3 months?!!!

Either way, Acura is in a pickle when marketing the 4 cyl. against the 6 cyl. this Fall, unless the semiconductor shortage has also kicked the '22 4 cyl. TLX closer to Jan.

Originally Posted by Type X

there are only 2000 TOTAL units (type s) built for 2021 model year

Originally Posted by Acura TL Builder

More importantly, How many 3G Type-S 6MTs were produced in 2007-2008?

Originally Posted by Shadow2056

This is something I'd like to know as well. Looking on Cargurus and Cars.com, I've only found a total of 28 TL Type S and only 3 of them were manual. That's across the US.

I want to know total how many Type S TLs were made then see how many were made 6spd. See what % and how much more rare it is to find one.

Originally Posted by Type X

there are only 2000 TOTAL units (type s) built for 2021 model year

Originally Posted by Acura TL Builder

More importantly, How many 3G Type-S 6MTs were produced in 2007-2008?

Originally Posted by Shadow2056

This is something I'd like to know as well. Looking on Cargurus and Cars.com, I've only found a total of 28 TL Type S and only 3 of them were manual. That's across the US.

I want to know total how many Type S TLs were made then see how many were made 6spd. See what % and how much more rare it is to find one.

Originally Posted by BEAR-AvHistory

Don't know the Type S number but the 2004-2006 TL was 8% of total production, was already pretty rare when I bought my 2006 MT. The 4G was down to 3%. Was eventually discontinued due to the falling take rate.

Originally Posted by accord98

The 3-year lease on my 2018 Acura TLX A Spec is coming due and I am debating whether I should finance it or lease the Type S. I am just disappointed that it does not have a digital gauge cluster, heads up display, surround view camera or wireless Apple CarPlay/Android Auto just like the 2022 MDX. I would plan on keeping it for 6 years and even now, it does not have the latest and greatest technology and is outdated compared to some of the other cars. I may wait until the mid-cycle refresh when it should receive some or all of those options. Is anyone else in the same boat as me?

Originally Posted by accord98

The 3-year lease on my 2018 Acura TLX A Spec is coming due and I am debating whether I should finance it or lease the Type S. I am just disappointed that it does not have a digital gauge cluster, heads up display, surround view camera or wireless Apple CarPlay/Android Auto just like the 2022 MDX. I would plan on keeping it for 6 years and even now, it does not have the latest and greatest technology and is outdated compared to some of the other cars. I may wait until the mid-cycle refresh when it should receive some or all of those options. Is anyone else in the same boat as me?

Originally Posted by accord98

The 3-year lease on my 2018 Acura TLX A Spec is coming due and I am debating whether I should finance it or lease the Type S. I am just disappointed that it does not have a digital gauge cluster, heads up display, surround view camera or wireless Apple CarPlay/Android Auto just like the 2022 MDX. I would plan on keeping it for 6 years and even now, it does not have the latest and greatest technology and is outdated compared to some of the other cars. I may wait until the mid-cycle refresh when it should receive some or all of those options. Is anyone else in the same boat as me?

Originally Posted by TL-Power

I thought the Type s has the apple car play and andoid auto, no ? I heard the canadian version has the surround view too...not sure about the US version.

Agreed on the digital instrument cluster - I also wish it had the panoramic roof and fog lights - i plan on waiting for the 2022 version of the Type s anyway - hopefully Acura would have at least added the instrument cluster or panoramic roof by then. Lots of feedback already on those things so hopefully the designers are listening.

Originally Posted by accord98

The 3-year lease on my 2018 Acura TLX A Spec is coming due and I am debating whether I should finance it or lease the Type S. I am just disappointed that it does not have a digital gauge cluster, heads up display, surround view camera or wireless Apple CarPlay/Android Auto just like the 2022 MDX. I would plan on keeping it for 6 years and even now, it does not have the latest and greatest technology and is outdated compared to some of the other cars. I may wait until the mid-cycle refresh when it should receive some or all of those options. Is anyone else in the same boat as me?

Originally Posted by fiatlux

If you want the latest and greatest, Acura is the wrong brand. For whatever reason, Honda tends to put the new stuff into the Honda cars first before it trickles up to the Acura cars. It's the complete opposite with most other automakers, where they put the new stuff into their luxury cars first before they trickle down to the mainstream brand.

Originally Posted by accord98

The 2022 G70 pretty much has all the features I am looking for (HUD, surround view camera, partial digital gauge cluster, and even a touchscreen display). Unfortunately, Genesis is not really offering any incentives on their 2022 cars at the moment. In addition, I would have to pay Acura over $4K if I turn in my lease due to mileage overage and the turn-in fee, so I am very much limited to sticking with Acura for now.