Kense

Fail and for those of you who don’t care about the power numbers why are you even looking at a type s? Just get the base 4 cylinder. An outdated Red Sport is faster. This car is only slightly faster than a 330i. That’s disappointing

dmski

4.7 sec with a shoulder launch and a passenger in it as well. If that's disappointing, why isn't the S5, G70 and C43 disappointing. 0 - 60 is not everything. If you live by magazine numbers it's obvious you have never driven a variety of cars and have no clue....

pyrodan007

For a company bragging it's ass off for 2 years about performance crafted performance and a new engine for this. Very average at best. The key here is brand new engine, from a company that does minimal changes. For those expecting yearly improvements, just look at the NSX. Just cosmetics.

BEAR-AvHistory

That was a very good time for a Sports sedan 10 years ago. Think they had their sights set higher.

cnst

The obsession with a few tenths of a second is pretty funny. At that precision, it comes down to driver, weather, tire pressure, countless other things that makes you the winner vs another putz in a bmw that you’ll race sooooo many times. /s. Tenths of a second is NOT a reason to buy or not to buy a car

Camaro194

Agreed. It's also the whole package and not just certain numbers. For me, especially coming from a 4G, I wanted something that had styling that I loved to go along with the performance.

These cars are all going to be in the same ballpark, and I'm sure there is something for everyone, based on their particular preferences. I'm glad we have options and aren't all driving the same car.

BEAR-AvHistory

Most of these YT times are going to be in a wide spread just like they will in real life for the consumers. Only way you are going to get good comparisons are staying with one publication who uses a standardized test procedure, prepared surface, then runs the raw data through the same post test leveling software. These will be ideal best case times that you will not come close to in the street. Most will have a 1 foot rollout which will give at time of about 0.3 seconds quicker than actual. So those 4.8's could become 4.5 in C&D. A hot Sport Sedan time in 2011

Agree the "home track" statement is pure bulls**t. Dragy runs should be pretty representational of what you will actually see on the street in a random traffic light run. Thing is you need to be sure they guy is quoting the Actual time not the 1 foot rollout time as Dragy shows both.

With my Dragy the Z4 loses against the C&D posted test numbers with the 1 foot rollout 3.7 to 3.99. No real way to improve on my time without traction compound on the street, a perfect 70*F day, a hot street surface & a short burnout to heat the tires. Nothing random about those requirements.

BEAR-AvHistory

Notice the slow slide to 0-60 is nothing position as some of the times leak out. Last week & earlier this week seemed like a lot of guys were all in on acceleration when talking about the TLX/Audi drag race was a hot topic. Even though the Audi is a dog it was a German scalp to hang up and brag about. Now the second thoughts & what if's are starting to creep in.

BEAR-AvHistory

Just curious got a PM that said don't argue with Nexx he sells the TLX, is that true? If it is true don't you have a pocketbook agenda?

CtK

I really dont mind 0-60 times. Its not making it fully loaded. No HUD, 360 camera, heated steering wheel, power folding mirrors and so on...

EDIT: It does come with power folding mirrors, so why doesnt the A-Spec?? lol

pyrodan007

Same thing for AoA 4.95s versus Redline's 4.73s, it becomes "it really depends on this and that". But when comparing S4's ~4.4 or M340's ~4.0s to the Type-S' ~4.7s, it becomes "who needs speed anyways". Funny how perspective changes things.

A one second improvement over the 2.0T TLX for ~7k more should be a good thing all the time, no? Now if dealerships convert that 7k to 17k more, it's a waste of money no matter how good it looks. A 73k Type-S in Canada, you should really run not walk away from dealer.

BEAR-AvHistory

4.7 is slow by current standards. I don't think we know what the TLX S will do yet because I do not think any serious drivers have tested it yet or if tested their data is not yet out. Just fun watching the guys here scrambling back & forth on "is acceleration important or not" on every leak that comes out.

Now forget the TLX Audi MB BMW whatever & just focus on the number 4.7. In the current state of sports sedans 4.7 is slow. Most quicker sports sedans were in the 4.5 range 10 years ago. Now some cars will be built for quick acceleration & fall on their butts in the upper ranges. Some cars will be built for mid to upper range acceleration will be slow to 60. Others at the top of the range can do both. That's why people choose different cars even with the prices floating around in the same general range. I would consider $55,000 to $62,000 in the same range as discounts & incentives are big players in this area.

Nexx

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zero pocketbook agenda brother. i get that people here want Acura to produce the best and fastest car. we all have owned an Acura at one point. we all loved an Acura at one point. Acura is alive today because they stay in their lane. they aren't trying to beat the Euro brands. They are a US/Canada brand. they want to provide products that hit the in midway points. not the fastest, not the most luxurious but great value for what you pay. my only issue is with the people who stay on this forum who have moved on to other products and constantly crap on Acura for something they do no want to be. I use to be a Nissan guy. I had a Z32 TT and loved it. I had a Z33 that I built and spent waaaay too much money too much money on. Nissan has lost it's way and as much as I want them to be best and greatest, I know its not going happen.. But I'm not lurking in the Nissan forums shitting on the Z34 or the new 400zx. Im sure Nissan fans are very much looking forward to the new Nissan products but who am I to tell them otherwise? If you love your Audi, great!!! Go and post on the Audi forums. If you love BMW, great!! Go post on the BMW forums. I happen to own both and an Acura. I appreciate what each brand brings to the table.

Camaro194

Former Z33 owner here too.

​​​​​​Also had a Camaro back in the day. Don't frequent their forums anymore either.

BEAR-AvHistory

Interesting numbers. C&D has made an estimate based on their time at the demo but did not say if was an actual or what the magazine would post with a rollout.

PERFORMANCE (C/D EST) TLX TYPE-S
60 mph: 4.6 sec
100 mph: 13.5 sec
1/4 mile: 13.7 sec

Disclaimer C&D has driven the car at Laguna Seca but without the test gear.

They front loaded the power curve & it does all its work to 60. Strong launch then its over. The other two Germans they did not bring run.

100 mph: 9.4 sec
1/4 mile: 12.4 sec

100 mph: 10.5 sec
1/4 mile: 12.6 sec

Nexx

I also had a 98 SS

Kense

LOL what? Can you admit that if redline tested the car and it did 4.4 you’d be on here giddy “owning the haters”. Take the passenger out he’s probably at 4.67. It’s Disappointing , you know it is no matter how much you want to claim it doesn’t matter.

Kense

Totally, now times don’t matter. That must be why every single magazine and car reviewer mentions them. Because they mean nothing. Then everybody should be perfectly happy with a 2005 TL Type S .

bilirubin

With the majority of those numbers falling in the high-5's to low-6's (i.e. a general consensus) and an odd number in the low 7's (i.e. an outlier). You'll learn that concept one day.

One of the small surprises yesterday is that Acura Canada confirmed their TLX Type S will have the 360 camera and heated steering wheel standard (among the other extras the US Type S doesn't get).

By standards you mean launching on a public shoulder with an additional passenger? How many tenths of a second do you think that added to the TLX's 0-60?

04WDPSeDaN

iTrader: (1)

0-60 isn't everything said by many who are disappointment with 0-60 times to justify the rest of the vehicle.

Exactly the point. Blame Acura and their over hype bs to under deliver with results. How many years have they done this now and yet some are still in defense mode. Comical.

Ah yes, once again the 0-60, tenths of a second doesn't matter comment. I bet if the TLX-S did 0-60 in 4.2 seconds a bunch of you guys here will be praising such "Precision crafted performance".

Ah yes, Lets' wait for AOA to test the TLX-S at his "home track" and be the only one to achieve new 0-60 records and for the cheerleader squad to Ra Ra Ra Acura all day.

COMICAL. MR. Lee is a saleman for Acura. He wouldn't know what to do if he stepped into the service bay. Funny, I also worked for Acura and got shit on by a bunch of nobodys here that never worked for the company they praise, nor do they own anything special. Mr. Lee thinks a muffler delete on a civic... errr.. ILX sounds great. FOH.

Comical how you're still making petty bs excuses and trying to explain to me out of all people here how performance works. Enlighten what have you done to your vehicles as far as performance goes? I'll be waiting

sombasol

[QUOTE=BEAR-AvHistory;16721731]

PERFORMANCE (C/D EST) TLX TYPE-S
60 mph: 4.6 sec
100 mph: 13.5 sec
1/4 mile: 13.7 sec
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those numbers seem wrong. C/D has the A Spec at 14.5 1/4 mile, 0-60 5.9 seconds 0-100@ 15.3. The type S gets to 60 in their estimate 1.3 seconds quicker but is only 0.8 second quicker in the quarter mile? So its significantly slower from 61-100 then the 2.0L? Something is amiss with that calculation.

jhb31

I think you make a good point regarding Acura. Frankly the performance numbers coming out are about where I expected given the weight of the car and the stated hp/torque known ahead of time. In a year or so, there will be discounts on this car and if the sticker is 53 people will be picking it up for 47/48, if that's not the case then it means the car is so in demand that they don't need to offer anything which is very unlikely a year out, Solid value at that price and if true to form will be a relatively low cost to maintain. The mpg numbers do suck and if it has to be driven in sport + mode to give a hint that it's 355hp that wouldn't be great. Saying other brands can be had for close to the same price with discounts isn't a great comparison since this is the first type S released in over a decade. When supply chain shortages go away and the initial buying surge passes people will be getting this car sub 50 and it's optioned very well for that price. I would have to drive it to see how it feels. I always felt like the TLX didn't feel like a near 300hp car and drove much slower where as my 07 type S felt more powerful than the TLX and felt way faster and just an overall fun car to drive where the TLX was a good daily driver but so bland overall to drive, at least for me

If you test drive it, enjoy the way it drives/looks/handles and are comfortable with what you are paying that is really all that matters. Plenty of choices out there today. It's good to hear other opinions but ultimately you are the one that will be driving the car. At some point end of year or next I will probably take one out for a test drive for curiosities sake. Am really interested to see if the trans has fast responsive shifts outside of the sport+ mode.

loki

CD just did 2021 Accord 2.0T 10AT, Sport trim. They got 5.4s. So the type S is 0.8s faster than a $25K cheaper Accord? That's unfortunate. And Accord is a thousand pounds lighter.

https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews...y-the-numbers/

This latest test car weighed in at a trim 3377 pounds, three pounds less than Honda's official number. All that lightweighting paired with the zestiest powertrain results in a 60-mph sprint in 5.4 seconds and a quarter-mile pass in 14.0 seconds at 101 mph.

vhtran

This is funny, before the 20th, people were defending the Type-S for not having the HUD, 360 camera, heated steering wheel, touch screen, virtual cockpit, trunk brace and didn't care much for the 0-60 performance. After the 20th, the same people are up in arms trying to justify the 0-60 time.

One already mentioned about the elephant and I will mention it again. How many of you will put in your deposits for this Type-S?

BOWA41

Placed my deposit back on 4/16. Can't wait to drive the Type S. My buyer's order was for MSRP plus accessories. Requested Apex Blue/Ebony with HPT Option.

Camaro194

Same here, but with red instead of ebony. Interested to see how quickly they can get them in. Deposit in and ready to purchase once it shows up.

loki

So do we know the engine code/series for the Type S? There was a lot of talk if it's a J-series and if it has VTEC. I still can't find that info.

mec30

0.8 seconds in a 0-60 time is massive. There is a huge difference between a car that does it in 5 vs 4 seconds (think TLX vs M3 -- and the M3 is 20k more). And you're comparing a car way out of its class. There are plenty of cheap cars with lots of HP. A Mustang GT is $35K and has 450hp. This comparison doesn't really make any sense though because people generally aren't cross shopping those two cars.

Camaro194

J30AC. No VTEC apparently.

Shadow2056

I'm not buying it new. I'm waiting for a pre-owned one. I'm not stacked in cash like that. Lol!

I'll still defend it. My Accord 2.0 with Hondata stage 2 is like 6.5 0-60. So a 4.8-4.9 0-60 is fine to me. It's about how I feel when I drive the car. I'm not going to be doing full boost rips from every stop.

I think I remember seeing it on the video from the previous Stigg. He said it was J30CA I think? I'll have to find the video again.

BOWA41

Totally ready to purchase and honestly can't wait. I'll be going from a 2005 TSX to this. I do wish it had HUD and heating steering wheel but I will survive. Super excited to finally upgrade. LOL! Been watching my wife drive a new car every 3 years. It's my turn now.

loki

Makes a lot more sense than comparing TLX and a Mustang. Accord and TLX are both midsize sedans and come from the same company. Few weeks ago someone here posted they went from TLX to Accord and I said those shouldn't be compared because they're different tiers. I got ton of crap for saying that. Now that I accepted that consensus and compared it, I'm getting crap for comparing them........

No one can satisfy fanboys. I feel like I'm on a Subaru forum.

mec30

The problem isn't that you compared them. The problem is the metric you choose doesn't make any sense. The TLX isn't $20k more than an Accord because of the 0-60 time. Just like a M440i isn't "overpriced" relative to a Mustang GT because it makes less power.

Calling me a fanboy is hilarious though. I don't even own an Acura. You don't need to be a fanboy to point out nonsense.

ELIN

The heated steering wheel makes sense for Canada. Knowing Canadians get the 360 camera standard has to suck for US customers!

BEAR-AvHistory

Maybe none. One of the guys here launched his TLX from the shoulder with a Dragy & just about matched the magazine times + the magazine rollout.

Shoulder can be clean & fresh or not so clean & fresh. If the guy thought he would get shitty times due to the roads surface I expect he would not have done it. Launching off a shoulder would not be my first rodeo.

When doing some beta testing for a JB4 my test loop was two on ramps, 4 shoulders & repeat till 12 launches. There was no negative factor when comparing the graphs.

As for the passenger its like any number of things that you cant account for on a random traffic light GP. Passenger 150LBS Gas Full Tank 100LBS. Mix & match to your hearts content. The other car has the same random issues.

BEAR-AvHistory

[QUOTE=sombasol;16721775]C&D TLX-TYPE-S

BEAR-AvHistory

Understand now. You are a Acura Car Salesman & we should believe every unbiased word that you type in defense of the product your livelihood depends on, REALLY

BEAR-AvHistory

VTEC is a slick option name like SHAWD not a function.

The function of advancing & retarding the cam shafts in relation to the crankshaft is present on almost all modern cars including the Type-S. IIRC the TLX V6 uses oil pressure to move the device. My BMW is called VANOS & in oil pressure activated, in the FORD COYOTE its called VCT & is also oil pressure activated, the 420BHP Chevy is CVVT same stuff.

loki

Didn't know people are allowed two usernames on this forum.

RedsTL

Haha I just noticed this too! The original claim was wrong that Gray wouldn't be available w/ red interior - but for some reason it's not with the wheel upgrade!! Wtf?!