Originally Posted by SRB-TL

Looks like Honda wised up from the Civic Type R fiasco.

I talked to two Chicago dealers who have TLX-S in stock, they both said the same thing. Acura gave them seeder units for test drives and demos only. No sales, no offers, no pressure, no BS about "must buy to test drive", no deposits needed, no credit checks needed. Just schedule your 30 min and go drive it. I am glad Honda did this.

I'm going on Thursday to drive a white one.

I'll post my thoughts at the time. But so far, good job Acura on keeping the reins on the dealers.

Originally Posted by SRB-TL

Looks like Honda wised up from the Civic Type R fiasco.

I talked to two Chicago dealers who have TLX-S in stock, they both said the same thing. Acura gave them seeder units for test drives and demos only. No sales, no offers, no pressure, no BS about "must buy to test drive", no deposits needed, no credit checks needed. Just schedule your 30 min and go drive it. I am glad Honda did this.

I'm going on Thursday to drive a white one.

I'll post my thoughts at the time. But so far, good job Acura on keeping the reins on the dealers.

Originally Posted by fiatlux

Heard back from another dealership. Demo unit is arriving this week, and they're pricing them at $64K. No test drives without a purchase agreement.

Originally Posted by DubPK

Tell them you're going to corporate, that's completely asinine to expect someone to buy a car before driving it. Sounds like Honda/Acura does not approve of this behavior. I don't know what your threats can possibly do, if you can actually file a complaint or if it'd phase them at all but that's such a shitty way to handle it. These aren't super cars. Guarantee it's just greed as they want to sell it brand new down the road. In my opinion if you're seriously interested go to that dealer a few hours away, take it for a spin and if you decide you want one buy one from them instead.

Originally Posted by fiatlux

Heard back from a third dealership; it's a ways out, but they got their demo unit today and are doing test drives. I guess the question now is whether I want to drive a couple hours just to test drive it...

Originally Posted by fiatlux

Heard back from another dealership. Demo unit is arriving this week, and they're pricing them at $64K. No test drives without a purchase agreement.

Originally Posted by fiatlux

Just heard back from one of my local dealerships.

Demo unit is arriving soon, they will not be doing any test drives of it, and will sell it after the 60 days is up with a $10K market adjustment. Yeah...I'm not about to buy a car without test driving it, let alone paying an extra $10K markup on a car that I can't test drive first. So much for Acura's attempt at trying to get as many people into the seat as possible, at least here in California.

Originally Posted by fiatlux

Heard back from another dealership. Demo unit is arriving this week, and they're pricing them at $64K. No test drives without a purchase agreement.

Originally Posted by jjsC5

Looks like they did not keep the reins on all of them.

Originally Posted by fiatlux

Heard back from a third dealership; it's a ways out, but they got their demo unit today and are doing test drives. I guess the question now is whether I want to drive a couple hours just to test drive it...

Originally Posted by fiatlux

Should we start a naughty/nice list for dealerships that are charging markups or not allowing test drives?

Originally Posted by DubPK

Tell them you're going to corporate, that's completely asinine to expect someone to buy a car before driving it. Sounds like Honda/Acura does not approve of this behavior. I don't know what your threats can possibly do, if you can actually file a complaint or if it'd phase them at all but that's such a shitty way to handle it. These aren't super cars. Guarantee it's just greed as they want to sell it brand new down the road. In my opinion if you're seriously interested go to that dealer a few hours away, take it for a spin and if you decide you want one buy one from them instead.

Originally Posted by Midwestuser1

Don’t buy the car from ANY dealerships do things like this! That’s how the consumer stops this behavior. The problem is when buyers just have to have the car no matter what (as that buyer is most likely to be taken advantage of). Wait them out!!

Originally Posted by SRB-TL

There are many examples of where Acura is leaps behind Honda. For example, you can get a $20K Civic EX and you'll get an OEM remote starter. You can't get that on TLX or RDX even on a $50K Advance trims which is comical!

Originally Posted by fiatlux

Heard back from some more: largely no demo drives...BUT there's one out in the boonies that claim they won't be marking it up. I guess I should start summarizing if it's helpful for others to know which dealerships not to bother wasting their time with.

• Acura of Serramonte (Daly City, CA)
  • Test Drive: No
  • ADM: $10K
• Acura Stevens Creek (San Jose, CA)
  • Test Drive: No
  • ADM: $10K
• Acura of Fremont (Fremont, CA)
  • Test Drive: Yes
  • ADM: ?
• Marin Acura (Corte Madera, CA)
  • Test Drive: No
  • ADM: Won't say
• Hansel Acura (Santa Rosa, CA)
  • Test Drive: No
  • ADM: $5K
• Oakland Acura (Oakland, CA)
  • Test Drive: Yes
  • ADM: "Market pricing"
• Acura of Modesto (Modesto, CA)
  • Test Drive: Yes
  • ADM: NONE!!!!!!!!! (verbal, who knows if they'll renege once they start getting slammed with interest)

Still waiting on about 5 or 6 more to respond back.

Originally Posted by fiatlux

Problem is that the one that's offering test drives is no doubt also marking it up $10K. Even if it drives absolutely amazingly, I don't think it can convince my right-brain that it's both worth the $10K ADM as well as make up for my (well-documented) complaints about the rear seats.

Originally Posted by ELIN

FYI: the TLX Advance trim has Remote Start as a button on the key fob. All other trims can do Remote Start if you pay monthly for the app feature.

Not sure about the RDX but I would imagine it's the same.

Originally Posted by SRB-TL

1st Gen TLX Advance had OEM remote starter on the key fob. 2nd Gen doesn't come with it on any trim (same goes for the RDX). I've looked into this at the dealership several times and I'm 100% sure about it. You can buy it as a dealer add-on ($500) or use the subscription service through the Acura app. MDX is the only one that comes with it (Advance only).

Originally Posted by moviechick

I have it in my key fobs in Pittsburgh. Don’t plan on paying for the senseless subscription. For what we paid for the car it should be free, like most other car manufacturers.

Originally Posted by ELIN

So I guess moviechick (TLX Advanced owner) made it up?

Originally Posted by massappeals

Walser Acura in Wichita,

Black on Black Type S,

~2300 Under MSRP no haggle price. You can check on the website. I have no idea what other fees they would tack on.

Originally Posted by fiatlux

Heard back from some more: largely no demo drives...BUT there's one out in the boonies that claim they won't be marking it up. I guess I should start summarizing if it's helpful for others to know which dealerships not to bother wasting their time with.

• Acura of Serramonte (Daly City, CA)
  • Test Drive: No
  • ADM: $10K
• Acura Stevens Creek (San Jose, CA)
  • Test Drive: No
  • ADM: $10K
• Acura of Fremont (Fremont, CA)
  • Test Drive: Yes
  • ADM: ?
• Marin Acura (Corte Madera, CA)
  • Test Drive: No
  • ADM: Won't say
• Hansel Acura (Santa Rosa, CA)
  • Test Drive: No
  • ADM: $5K
• Oakland Acura (Oakland, CA)
  • Test Drive: Yes
  • ADM: "Market pricing"
• Acura of Modesto (Modesto, CA)
  • Test Drive: Yes
  • ADM: NONE!!!!!!!!! (verbal, who knows if they'll renege once they start getting slammed with interest)

Still waiting on about 5 or 6 more to respond back.

Originally Posted by ELIN

So I guess moviechick (TLX Advanced owner) made it up?

Originally Posted by DubPK

Type S comes with remote start on the fob as well as verified in reviews and dealers I've talked to confirmed it as well. Advance and S are the only ones to get it by default to my knowledge, really should be standard to the counter point.

Originally Posted by SRB-TL

Looks like Honda wised up from the Civic Type R fiasco.

I talked to two Chicago dealers who have TLX-S in stock, they both said the same thing. Acura gave them seeder units for test drives and demos only. No sales, no offers, no pressure, no BS about "must buy to test drive", no deposits needed, no credit checks needed. Just schedule your 30 min and go drive it. I am glad Honda did this.

I'm going on Thursday to drive a white one.

I'll post my thoughts at the time. But so far, good job Acura on keeping the reins on the dealers.

Originally Posted by SRB-TL

That fob is dealer installed and can be had on any trim. I absolutely, 100% guarantee you that it's not from factory like that. Call the dealership and ask.

Originally Posted by SRB-TL

That fob is dealer installed and can be had on any trim. I absolutely, 100% guarantee you that it's not from factory like that. Call the dealership and ask.

Originally Posted by fiatlux

Heard back from some more: largely no demo drives

Originally Posted by jpsi2002

Has anyone in Canada ordered a tiger eye Pearl and were you able to get the Orchid interior

Originally Posted by DubPK

I literally did last month, the guy even double checked with with his distract manager at Acura for me and confirmed that the Type S (I admittedly have not talked about the Advance much with any dealers) comes with remote start on the fob. I'm not just casually talking to them either, I have a thousand bucks down for a October build slot (refundable until I drive it and see if I actually wanna move on it.). Many reviews shows the type s exclusive fob with remote start on it as well.

https://acuranews.com/en-US/releases...year-of-type-s

Acura's press release also shows TLX 2.0T Remote Engine start Available and Type S it's dotted. Type S according to Acura, the dealers and reviewers DOES come with remote start on the fob.

Originally Posted by djhtsx

The Type S is confirmed to have remote start as standard.

Originally Posted by DubPK

https:// youtu.be/LXLcmMyjmbA?

Twinkies guy goes over the key fob at 15:20, remote engine start is there.

Originally Posted by djhtsx

Originally Posted by SRB-TL

You're contradicting yourself. You said how the market adjusts but these Civics continue to sell for astronomical prices. If what you're saying is true ("has") that means no one is paying mark ups and dealers are adjusting to it. But they're not adjusting, meaning that people ARE paying these prices for Civics. It's not the dealership fault. It's consumers who are doing this even 4 years later. And it's Honda's fault too. They flat out don't give a shit about it, no matter how many people contacted them over it since 2017. Dodge put a quick stop to Demon and Hellcat mark ups. They said anyone caught marking them up will never get another one. That's why you can go to Dodge dealership and buy a Hellcat or Hellcat Redeye for MSRP if you can afford it. Ford did the same with Mach-E. They spanked the dealers who were marking them up and now they're all MSRP when and where available. Honda on the other hand...playing stupid for 4 years. What's more comical is all the reviewers who get Type R from Honda talk about the car how it costs $36K and not one of them mentions mark ups. They all hush about it. Same thing on Honda website. You go spec out a Type R at $36K and click request local inventory contact and then dealer emails you back and says come on in, we've got one and it's only $45K plus $10K of gimmick accessories, it's all yours for only $55K. When you tell Honda this, you get this response: .................................................. crickets.......................................... .......................



Dynamically, maybe. But at the end of the day, it IS still just a Civic. R or not, you're paying $45, 50, 60K for a Honda Civic.

Originally Posted by jjsC5

I don’t know what you are talking about when you say that I said “the market adjusts”. The only thing I remotely have posted like that was in reference to the current used car market.

Every reference I see on this forum about what the Civic R is selling for is based upon what dealers are asking. That does not meaning they are selling for that. I’m sure that there are some selling way over list, but my guess is that those are outliers. I believe they could be going over list, just not the big numbers.

Originally Posted by robnalex

In 1999 I purchased a TL. In 2000 the CL-S came out and I decided I wanted something more sporty than the TL and got one of the first off the assembly line and certainly overpaid. Like most here, I've been waiting for the TLX-S with great interest for a long time. In March my 2001 CL-S and my wife's 2004 Saab 9.3 Arc 2.0T both needed more work than we wanted to spend on 17-21-year-old cars. I test drove the TLX, and though I longed for a tad more power (still do) I really liked it (still do). Our two old cars were falling apart (the Saab wasn't even driveable) and we couldn't wait. So although I'm still very interested in the Type-S, I now have a very nice car to drive while I watch all this craziness and wait for it to pass. At some point within the next 12 months, the Type-S will become available at a reasonable price and I'll have a nice, low-mileage TLX to trade. I guess I've gotten a little smarter over the past 21 years.

Originally Posted by SRB-TL

I'm saying people have been waiting 4+ years for market to adjust and settle down, yet the CTR continues to sell for stupid high prices.

Originally Posted by someguy11

First of all, nice cars. I loved that generation of the CL. That and the Legend Coupe... what awesome cars those were. Same for the Saab. I loved both that and previous generation body style. The first time I went car shopping for real (my first car after college) I went looking for a 9-3 Viggen or Aero. Ended up with an A4. But to your point, your post shows really good discipline in an age of instant gratification and human nature wanting the best and shiniest new toys. Kudos to you.



I passed a CTR yesterday, merely days after seeing the markup discussion here as well as the video someone posted of the CTR beating a Camry TRD in a drag race, then barely beating an Accord 2.0T in the same drag race. Ouch. I mean, to each their own to those who want to pay $60k for a hatchback with a big wing on it, put BBR rims on it, slap a "two in the pink one in the stink" sticker on the rear window and barely beat an Accord in a race. We should all aspire to reach ricer level: mastery.

Originally Posted by someguy11

I passed a CTR yesterday, merely days after seeing the markup discussion here as well as the video someone posted of the CTR beating a Camry TRD in a drag race, then barely beating an Accord 2.0T in the same drag race. Ouch. I mean, to each their own to those who want to pay $60k for a hatchback with a big wing on it, put BBR rims on it, slap a "two in the pink one in the stink" sticker on the rear window and barely beat an Accord in a race. Imagine if we all aspired to reach ricer level: mastery.

As for me personally, I've outgrown my fast and furious days. I want a sleeper. Enter the Type S, or what the Type S should be - the Anti Type R.