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They did the same for the 2020 X3 M40i. They bumped the power and the guys who bought the 18 and 19 models kept bitching The flip is, they haven't found a reliable tune for the 2020 but the 2018 and 2019 guys have tunes.. so no sense to cry over spilled milk.

B1ackAlloy

If Acura were to go that route which I find it unlikely there will be a tune at some point down the line for 2021. I'm sure there will be a good amount of people that buy it the first year and someone will be successful with a tune. Even myself might be in the group of people that purchase a Type-S. Time will tell though I will wait till it is out.

Shadow2056

Well the dealership fixed it. They said there was some recall on it when I brought it up there for the fuel pump recall. They did a reflash on it I think. I keep my mode in Sport so it shifts pretty good to me after the fix.

honda_nut

To be real, when has the type-s ever been a performance monster. Both the 2nd gen and 3rd gen TL Type-S were mild boosts over the standard model. Not sure where the 400hp rumors came from, but we all got excited about the possibility of an Acura sedan unlike any other Acura sedan. I'll wait till it's officially released, but at first glance this is a disappointment. After my current TLX being a complete disaster, I was hoping this would bring me back to another Acura. It still seems like a decent car, but I'm definitely considering the upcoming Genesis G70 or G80 to switch it up after all these years of owning the same car.

CollinR4

Agree that they will have to cut corners to get anywhere near $45K while covering R&D costs on a new engine (Then again they better stuff this 355/354 V6 in every model in the damn lineup to help with that as well) but I think there are a few things from the advanced package that are musts to consider it the sporty high-performance version, namely the adaptive dampers and 16-way seats which, according to the package sheet above in the thread do not come on the A-Spec. I believe those would both be significant shortcomings on the Type-S.

Also, are they really going to be able to sell the advanced package at a price above the Type-S? Starting price based on the increase by level just got very interesting on the 2.0T.

mcrompton

Totally agree on the seats. I think they really should move the 16 way seats from the Advanced to the Type-S instead of the 12 way seats from the A-SPEC. How can the Type-S not have inflatable side bolsters?

honda_nut

Also not sure why Acura created all this hype. I thought the Type-S details were supposed to be released in the spring as they themselves said. Anyways, they pretended like they had some incredible secret that would blow away every single other car in this segment, only to come out as an also ran. LMAO

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The 400 hp rumor was spread mainly by fan boys across all platforms. This happened because hearing that the engine was a V6 3.0 powered by a twin scroll turbo (they assumed Twin turbo) and because it was being tested against the Germans, they figured, has to perform the same if not better. Hence 400 HP figure. Personally, I wouldn't own a 1st year 2021 TLX, lease for sure. There's a lot of new for Acura. Let them work out all the kinks the 1st production year.

EDIT: Also Acura themselves made very bold claims about TQ figures, automatic transmission details ect and most didn't understand it and misinterpreted the information. Acura said something along the lines that the Type-s makes 50% more peak tq vs the current V6, people assumed it said makes 50% more TQ than the current V6.

Legend2TL

+1

gotta love all the posting above from the drama queens with their V6T 355HP fail postings

Mak P

Work out the kinks? They've been testing this car how long? Probably still is "working out kinks" right now. Even with the 2.0T they have the rdx to go by right and wrongs
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pyrodan007

Certainly isn't a slam dunk win or grand reveal, it's just ok. Acura made it seem immense like all their announcements. Disappointment is their middle name.

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told ya!

Legend2TL

haters gonna hate, meanwhile the rest of us will wait and see how it performs when released

Tony Pac

Well said!

dezymond

I thought it would be at least 375hp, but I'm not disappointed either. It''ll compete well with the Audi S4 and the BMW 340i.

Acura has always had "underpowered" cars, but they were a far better balanced car compared to its competitors (i.e., NSX and TL Type S). A 65hp bump isn't a lot on paper for most, but it will make a significant difference when it comes to actually driving the vehicle. Numbers don't mean everything. And it's not all about HP either, it has a pretty damn good amount of torque.

I'm excited for the Type S.

Shadow2056

From the recent Acura video, the guy said "We upgraded the turbo and did a lot of software tuning and still couldn't get close to the power of the Type S." This was at 1:32 into the video. So don't think the 355hp is the final numbers. That's probably just for their Pike's Peak cars.

F23A4

I used C/D's long term test of the '18 Accord 2.0T 10AT for guidance on that; being able to pull a 13.9 sec @ 104 mph is fairly impressive for a family sedan with 'only' 252hp/278lb-ft. And it's pretty much on pace with the upmarket Q50 3.0T while walking off on the IS350.

So until the first mag tests appear, I'll hold out hope that a 355hp TLX-S will at least impress proportionally.

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fiatlux

Ahhh, I forgot to add "it'll perform better than the numbers suggest" to the running list of excuses.

Kense

You're wrong, the Red Sport is fast, the AWD goes 0-60 in 4.2 seconds stock and tuned they are in the high 3's. Nobody outsells the Germans and nobody ever will, has nothing to do with anything other than Name Recognition and history. The Red Sport doesn't sell because the Interior and infotainment sucks to most people.

They also have the worst marketing team in the history of Marketing. You know how many people don't even know there is Red Sport? Tons. In fact they never even put a commercial out for it or mentioned it. It's their fault the car and the Infiniti company is a failure

honda_nut

It takes years of having made real performance sedans with great handling to get the reputation of the Germans and even then it's pretty difficult. Look at the CTS-V. The Type-S probably is a pretty good car for what its worth, it's just not gonna be something that you can brag about to your friends over why you bought it over something else. Probably not good reasons to buy a specific car, but nice to have.

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Couldn't have said it better myself. You are 100% on this.

The exterior (especially in dynamic sunstone red) is beautiful. I couldn't get pass the interior. Marketing is everything.

Have you seen the Ford Bronco Marketing?! Tell me that doesn't get you interested enough to test drive one

Kense

Exactly, I actually want a Bronco lol

pyrodan007

Honestly I'm looking forward to the compare/review videos (from the numbers, looks to be directly targeting S4/S5). Could be it's not that bad. But I'm disappointed in Acura waiting so long for just so-so figures. I wonder why they posted numbers now, could be they know they can't get that much more and need to ship it.

fiatlux

honda_nut

Same, I have no need for a Bronco but want one for shits and giggles. Would love to own a Raptor too lol.


Also, I've overlooked to $45,000 starting price, but if that's true, this will be a bargain. $45,000 MSRP means an invoice of around $42k. And with the way the current economy is going and how many people are buying higher end cars, you could possibly even get it for slightly under invoice in a couple years. Appeals to my cheap Indian side.

nist7

This is an entertaining read. Anyone need refill on their ?

Mak P

If the car was doing test runs with the S4 and C43 that has to count for something right?

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nist7

It's probably also easier to market something like a Bronco because you can basically Control-C what Jeep does and then throw in all the standard collection of words and imagery: freedom, adventure, the great outdoors, cue shots of the Bronco in some gorgeous mountanous/ocean/outdoor backdrop....and look at all the features that are better than the Wrangler!

Sports sedans are a dying breed. Sedans in general are being crushed by crossover/SUV sales. So there's that...and sports sedans are already a small segment of the sedan market already. Competition is fierce today with German and American offerings....seems like Lexus/Infiniti/Acura hasn't had a very enticing competitor....we'll see i guess......

fiatlux

On the bright side, this should mean the MDX Type-S will be more powerful than the X5 xDrive40i and very close to the GLE450. Even if the TLX Type-S fails, the MDX Type-S could sell well assuming it's price to undercut the Germans.

F23A4

......and even when there is an enticing competitor from an Asian make (read: Stinger GT), it runs the risk of having an uncertain future.

dmski

This! Yes, very weird time to be releasing the numbers. Guys, seriously though, the Type S MUST be on par with S4, C43AMG, G70 performance wise. All the car reviewers will pit it against them. If the car can't at the very minimum match them WHAT THE HELL is the point of releasing the Type S for??? Just to have TLX+ that can't keep up with the competition??? Imagine watching all the reviews and seeing Type S dead last!!!! Note, all the cars listed are about to get refreshed and receive an increase in power as well which would make the Type S irrelevant. Hoping those numbers are underrated and the car performs.

fiatlux

People will always fall back on the "well, it's cheaper and more reliable" excuse. And they do have a bit of a point. Acura is not a true competitor to the Germans. It's a cheaper alternative for folks who cannot afford (or don't want to pay for) those cars. Acura says they're moving away from "value luxury", but I didn't realize what they meant was that they would shift to "value performance". I want a true viable alternative to the Germans, even if the price point is similar, not something that undercuts but also under performs. I'm still holding out hope that they can pull it off, and I really want to see them pull it off, but the numbers announced today isn't making me very bullish on that.

Legend2TL

+1, reading some of the comments reminds me of when my two daughters were in middle school and the drama with some of the other students

Curious to see the schematic view of the new V6, and what new tech and how the package compares to the J-series.

Man, I'm old I remember when the J30 came out in the 97 CL, looked so small compared to the 90o V6 in the C-series

Kense

You can't compare a C43 with either of those cars. It's much faster than both an S4 and G70. The C43 is on par with the M340i which is a sub 4 second car in AWD. The C43 AMG is seriously quick and there is no way the Type S is on par with it. They probably put the C43 in there just as a measuring point as the fastest and the S4 being the slowest and them trying to get somewhere in between.

fiatlux

The S4 competes against the C43 and M340i, so why shouldn't the Type-S do the same if it's supposed to compete against the S4? They're all in the same segment, similar power levels, similar position in their respective lineup, and priced similarly.

leomio85

Even if the numbers for the Type S are underpowered, so are the Germans. This thing will flop like a fish out of water if it isn't priced accordingly. Mid-$40k, near fully loaded, sounds reasonable now since the S4 starts at just under $50k. But, seeing as the S4, C43 and M340i have all been out for some time, you could get incentives to be the same price as the Type S, which dealers will inanely treat like a car to actually fawn over, the hype dies and they can't pay people to buy them ... and the Type S will be dead again in no time. As for the less-than-inspiring power numbers, I'm assuming Honda did a lot of testing and found that the auto 10-speed ate itself at higher power numbers. Bad news for people who think "oh, well, I'll just throw a tune in it to match what the Germans have been putting out for years." I could be wrong, but I doubt it seeing as we're dealing with Honda.

I despise German cars, and I hate the people who drive them even more ... but it's basically the only option for me in a few years when I'm ready to pull the trigger on another car.

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I am not sure why people are calling the horsepower a fail. No one is complaining about the S for 349 hp and that thing is pretty damn quick. At a starting price of 45K that is a true bargain. The good thing about Acura Most of their equipment is standard unlike Audi which will nickel and dime you for things that should be standard.

also if they are using the Rumored eturbo Acceleration will be much better with the last turbo lag compared to the S4.