Tony Pac

Patrick is 98% right he is legit source

Speed_Racer

We'll see if they're vents. Looks like reflectors from the pictures. I think those are vents on the C43 though.

BEAR-AvHistory

Think a lot of guys are looking for a bigger bite. Someplace in the high 12's with 110/low teen MPH number stock off the showroom floor. With the car being a turbo it should be tune-able provided the ECU is not locked down too tight. With a 3.0L/3.5L engine if some on like Terry Burgher (BMS-JB4) gets involved as a third party with AWD it can be competitive with anyone for under $750. He is already offering kits for the Honda Turbo lineup.

Kense

No way the Type S is $50K or less. It will be closer to $65K+ loaded.

ZCL

So be it. I've been asking for a 450+, underrated hp TLX, with proper AWD, panoramic roof and a legit stereo. Not the crap they keep peddling.

Maybe this thing will be the car to bring a buyer like me back after leaving after 2012? I've loved the TL's I've owned. But once I could afford something 'quick' and luxurious, it was over. I really would like to see a player come out to challenge the germans.

leomio85

Ugh, please no. Or at least make the abominable trend of pano sunroofs optional. There are so many goddamn negatives for the simple mouth-breathers who enjoy the novelty of it. Put it on the base models, not the performance variant ... or make it optional so the people who don’t want something that reduces performance and increases NVH in every goddamn conceivable way have to pay for it.

MIKEYDRED

Even if they used RDX power they would have one of the strongest 4 cycles in the class. No need to beef the 4 cylinder up too much, inspect they will want to keep a sufficient gap in HP between then 4 and 6 turbo

Kense

The type S shouldn't even have a regular moon roof at all. It's just extra weight, make it an option. A Panoroof is just too heavy and pointless and doesn't belong on a performance car. They need to slide in and pull an infiniti by stealing the Germans shine the way the Original G35 did. Had them scrambling and panicked that they got out done by the Japanese. This car needs to do that, then they need to offer a "Type SR" version that competes with the C63, M3/4, RS cars, Make it a Turbo Hybrid, use the same set up used in the NSX. That would give Acura the balls they lost years ago.

ZipSpeed

Loving the enthusiasm for a Type-R, but baby steps! Acura's balls are still stuck on the inside after years of swimming in the cold, so let's wait for them to drop first as they slowly warm up.

Mak P

I doubt that. They just removed a 62k car from their lineup. For that money if its not in the 3s 0-60 that's crap. I'm going to guess 52k

djhtsx

iTrader: (2)

this car for sure will be in the 60k range for the top tier package.

ACCURATEin

So now that everyone is ready to purchase, what wheels are you going to order for your new TLX?

ZCL

Now this I can get behind in general. The unfortunate reality is that this thing will likely get smoked by an s4, let alone an RS car.

But the idea that a moon roof shouldn’t be allowed is just ridiculous. You can make plenty of power to overcome the ‘extra’ weight of a moon roof.

jjsC5

If Im not mistaken, the highest price TL or TLX has been around $46,000. So you are saying they are slapping a turbo on and it raises the price nearly $20,000? I can see it going into low, MAYBE mid $50s. At $65,000 it's priced right at M340, S5, C43. How many buyers do you think Acura would pull away from those cars?

I paid $66,000 for my well equipped 540 (listed for $70,000). Today I could buy a new one for $10,000 of list. The only reason I'm interested in the TL is to save money now that Im retired. At the same price I'm in one of the other cars or a new 540.

jrzofclay

Can we PLEASE talk about the interior? Will we get the full fledged Precision Cockpit?

fiatlux

At this price point, I highly doubt it. Acura needs to cut costs somewhere, after all.

CaliAtenza

I'm torn again between the new Type S and one of the Germans. The AMGs are headed toward 4 cylinders for the next generation; that V6 twin-turbo in the current C43 is a screamer and sounds amazing. It's tempting to pick one up.

pyrodan007

I really hope you don't mean 60K US, that's more that a fully loaded S5 Sportback here in Canada. New engine and interior, not touching it for at least one year. And if dealers are adding profits to MSRP like the Civic Type-R, not touching it at all versus the Germans.

dmski

Acura can't get greedy. They can't go head to head with the Germans. Hope their ego doesn't get in the way. Look at NSX numbers just abysmal. Sedans are not selling like they used to. Price this thing wrong will pretty much kill your sedan sales.

Tony Pac

Type S will be $58-$62K CAD. Not USD.

Infiniti Q50S 400HP is $64K before any discounts. Infiniti offers $5,500 discount at the moment online. My father in law has G37X and dealer called him for Q50 400HP. They have mentioned that He can get $10K off if he signs before June 1 (now this was over the phone, and i know the dealer tricks but even $7.5K). But infiniti is struggling and they want to sell cars at huge losses just to make sales numbers. Still not bad deal to get a 400HP Q50 for let's say $55-58K.
Lexus IS 350 AWAD is $57K before any discounts.Now Lexus is a different brand to me, their name is up with the Germans. But the IS isn't selling.

Now if you take the average, Acura falls in the middle (probably 365-385HP) will cost around $60K CAD.

If it's $60USD, than means wit will be around $70K CAD. Then forget it, no one will buy the car!

JackRydden224

At this point I'm a lot more excited about the base turbo 4 model. I'm hoping to see something like 280hp/300tq from the base engine. Right now I drive a CLS550 with 380hp/390tq and while it's fast and great during COVID-19 traffic I was having a hard time justifying the power and low MPG when traffic was normal. A powerful turbo 4 makes more sense as a daily / commuter.

I'm also curious about the size of the G2 TLX. The current model is way too small for me to take my parents around comfortably. They loved the 10th Gen Accord I rented for two days so I'm hoping G2 TLX is more accord sized as opposed to a compact.

internalaudit

They should offer SH-AWD on the 2.0T. The uptake for the bigger displacement has always been lower anyway, they might as well steal some sales from the competition.

Maybe the engineers reversed it this time with the Type S having the P-AWS. SH-AWD + P-AWS would be awesome.

I would be very interested in a SH-SH-AWD TLX. For me, hybrid is the way to go for the time being until BEVs come with better batteries and electric torque vectoring.

Shadow2056

I'm thinking the 2.0T models will have the P-AWS and/or SH-AWD available. Type S will come solely with SH-AWD.

Price rang, I'm thinking maybe $45-50k.

leomio85

Agreed. $60k and they're going to have abysmal sales. Acura just doesn't have the nameplate to justify those prices compared to their German counterparts that everyone would be cross-shopping them with. At that point, the value of the Acura goes out the window. Even myself, I'd opt for the M340i well before the Type-S if it was even within $5k of the price tag. Hopefully they price it competitively with the G70, which tops out at around $55k for the Sport AWD model.

ACCURATEin

internalaudit

I'm in Canada (typically lower household income on average than American counterparts typically in NY or CA) and the only TLX I will consider purchasing is one that has three electric motors. But if Acura throws in P-AWS in the mix even if it's not the Type S, I'd be willing to go pay up to $65k CAD. Cars in Canada usually start at lower MSRP, considering the USDCAD exchange rate but discounted much less.

I think only the high-end Porsches (and maybe some $80k German cars) like the 911 or Taycan (or maybe the much higher trims of the 918) can have as an option 1) All Wheel Steering and 2) Torque Vectoring (even their torque vectoring is typically brake-based and mechanical) so if a 2TLX can have both those features, especially electric torque vectoring, I'll probably be up for one.

Porsche makes good cars but you have to opt for the various P acronyms (which can cost $20k or more here) to get the best handling possible and by then, the cost will be sky high. I don't mind even a $70k TLX (hopefully over four years at 0-1% interest) if it handles 80% of the NSX and cost half of it lol. I have reached midlife but still not in a crisis.

stevenpsu

That would be a bad look for the brand. The car has been in production for years now and they can't add the Precision cockpit? That would seem to be a priority over other features.

pyrodan007

I doubt it will happen, but if the Accord dashboard is still nicer and less "analogy" versus the new TLX, it would be a fail. To all saying glass cockpits are meh, it's 2020... it's time Acura walks the 2016 walk.

ESHBG

According to reports the 4 cyl will have AWD as an option.

This is where I am at also. Right now is great but when life returns to "normal" there's really no point in getting a high performance engine where I live, as Philly area traffic is abysmal and my commute is all red lights and stop signs, many short blocks, etc.

stevenpsu

I'm not sure why you doubt it would happen. When is acura going to use the Precision cockpit? All the German competitors are using the some sort of digital gauges and implementing new technology. I'm sure Lexus is moving towards that in the next model. Acura announced it 4 years ago saying we would see it up and down the model lineup. I think it would be a huge mistake if they didn't put it in the tier models of the TLX. Why wait for another model year? People want that new technology to wow them into buying a car. As we have seen if the last year's model, the exterior can be great, but the interior held it back. If Acura is fully in on Precision crafted performance that shouldn't only mean drivetrain. It should be the whole package. Cheaping out in small ways like the gauge cluster wouldn't be the only they cheaped out in if they were cost cutting...

dmski

I so don't care about the digital cluster. Look at any screens from few years back and they all look like shit now. You can't go wrong with analog gauges and put a nice MMI in the middle. Type S is about performance. I'm concerned about how this thing drives/handles/accelerates and how they balanced the whole package together.

stevenpsu

A few years ago is an eternity in screen technology. Look at the audi virtual cockpit, has that aged? That will look good for years. It's not only gauges, it's implementing other tech that isn't in the Honda segment. If Acura wants to be different than a fully loaded accord, it will have to make upgrades in specific places that are noticeable. Acura has always been good with the exteriors on the TLX since the mid year refresh. The drivetrain obviously could have been better but that was held back mainly for the brutal interior.

jjsC5

I have not researched what the “precision cockpit” is, but from the comments above the discussion is about digital dashes such as Audi and others use. I cannot imagine it costs much more than a traditional dash. It has been a very inexpensive option in Audi’s and BMWs before they decided to just make it standard in many models.

While I’m not a techie and have no problem with traditional displays, I do agree the TLX needs digital, at least as part of the technology package that they have offered in most vehicles the past several years.

Mak P

Why? You'll opt for M340i over a Type S if it was 5k more with the same options nearly same performance?

internalaudit

Maybe he likes to lease? Lots of good reviews on the M340i and a friend leased the xdrive version. He can write it off so he picks up a BMW every few years. I don't think he got one with the Dynamic Performance Control with torque vectoring though or maybe it is standard?

Starts $68k + driving Assistance is $70k already here in Canada.

$10k more on top of that in a few years and I may be able to buy an Acura or Lexus BEV sports sedan with electric torque vectoring lol.

leomio85

From the figures being thrown around, it seems like the Type S is going to have around 350-400HP. I loathe BMW owners, and it's the biggest thing keeping me from owning one myself. I personally hate the majority of people driving them because they absolutely meet the stereotype. That being said, the company itself does put out a helluva product. If the Type S puts out 400HP, the M340i already makes more than that, probably closer to 430-440HP. Not to mention, aftermarket support will likely be even better for the BMW than the Acura. Their infotainment is supposedly more comprehensive and intuitive (tho I actually like the one in my 3G RDX, but the processor is on the slow side). The build quality on my 3G RDX tho has left a lot to be desired. Clicks, creaks and rattles. I've fixed two on my own after two visits to the dealership while a handful still remain. This is why I'll pass completely if the Type S comes standard with a pano sunroof. Also, by the time the Type S comes out, the M340i will have been out for several years. Incentives will be there to get dealers to come down on the price likely to match the Type S to get the sale.

Also, I have a personal curiosity having never owned a BMW with their legendary "money pit" maintenance reputation. Of course, you'll have a few like BEAR who staunchly stand behind BMW and say they're dead reliable, while many, including lifetime mechanics, who have nothing but ill will towards the cars and swear off ever owning one again. I'm neurotic with maintenance though, so I'm curious to see what the fuss is all about. I mean, people still use 15k mile oil change intervals, even after BMW revised it down to 10k miles to match MB (at least from what I've heard ... likely due to having issues). Not to mention the other fluids that likely never get touched because they're touted as being "lifetime" fluids.

But I digress into my own personal tirade. Heck, who knows, in a couple years when I'm in the market, I'll look to see how prices are doing on lightly used F90 M5's and might pick up my dream car. (so long as they don't have catastrophic issues like the past couple generations)

CaliAtenza

I think BMW has really stepped it up in the reliability department. My Dad bought a new F30 328i back in 2014; its been great so far and he's put some 80k odd miles on it. No mechanical issues to speak of, other than some taillight bulbs burning out and such. I find that the steering has gotten looser as the car has aged but boy its still quick! I just helped my folks buy a 2020 BMW X5 sDrive40i back in December and WOW, it is amazing. Handles better than my TLX and goes like stink. I still can't believe BMW set the X5 up to handle so well. I feel like they put so much more effort into their SUVs these days.

cairo333

I hope it will be 6MT or 7dct. My TL IVg gives you incredible fun just thanks to 6MT and SH-AWD despite power shortage. I have X-ADV with 6DCT and i love it too. 6AT in my MDX 2012 does not impress me.

internalaudit

I am not sure about the Japanese but there's some talks on various forums how German regulators required biodegradeable plastic to be used in various German cars, including some engine components. These are really good plastic materials but over the years, they may lose some of their original properties thanks to constantly alternating heat/cold. For past BMW's, weren't the timing chain guides made of plastic and were prone to breaking down when oil levels went really low? Did BMW redesign those elements and have they switched to metal guides?

I had an 02 Civic before that I drove 80 km to the mechanic and I was told no oil was draining off the pan. At 273,000 km, it was on its original clutch and 5MT. I've since learned to do my own oil changes.

pyrodan007

That's because many of them were not full LCD screens. Look at the current RDX, still looks cheap on a luxury car. Not saying Audi has the best layout, but they did their homework and it still looks modern years after it was released. That's how it starts, I don't care for this now .... and then the model gets old. Do it from the beginning, and you'll have less to update as the model ages. Same goes for hp, get a decent portion now and add a few every couple of years.