ACCURATEin

This morning, i had a dream. I was watching youtube and the type S digital reveal was about to hit. It did a 3, 2, 1 countdown. Introducing the all new TLX type S. Then it started off showing an image of a carbon fiber monocoque as the camera panned around it. I was like AHHH!!!! Then i woke up.

CollinR4

I guess the masochists among us still waiting for a TLX can breathe a (Minor) sigh of relief that Acura doesn't appear to be phoning it in like Lexus. Even the same engine availability.

https://www.motortrend.com/cars/lexu...w-future-cars/

fiatlux

Plot twist: Acura is scrapping things and doing what Lexus is doing and that's why it's taking so long.

What Lexus is doing reminds me a whole lot of Acura merging the TSX and TL lines together for better efficiencies. Common complaints about the IS is that it's too small in the backseat; if they stretch things a bit to the size of the TLX, I imagine it'll sell better than the current version.

ESHBG

Yeah the IS is tiny inside. I had no issues in the front but in the back, forget about it. If they stretch it a bit it will be nicer; and I like the look of the IS and enjoyed my brief time in one (my friend bought one earlier this year).

silverTL6

iTrader: (2)

I can already see the official announcement in a few weeks..."Acura set to reveal TLX Type-S later this year"

The difference with Tesla is that they don't mention "performance" in every other sentence, but when their cars do finally hit the streets they blow away most 0-60 records and expectations (not that that's the only measure of performance, but it's the one most consumers are aware of and can feel / make use of).

silverTL6

iTrader: (2)

Probably not far from the truth...both are likely using the show cancellation to squeeze in more details for a later announcement. But given how the game-changing brands (Audi, Genesis) aren't beating around the bush like that makes me wonder who's strategy is better...

"Lexus had planned to reveal the new IS at the since-postponed New York auto show and is now targeting an independent reveal sometime this summer. "

CheeseyPoofs McNut

That's how they score so high on reliability - they work out the bugs for a drivetrain then run it into the ground.

CollinR4

As an IS350 F-Sport owner I agree but it's time to put the engine they've used since 2006 out to pasture when compared to the competition. It's not class-competitive from a power or efficiency standpoint. Also, no mention of if they will use the 8-speed across the spectrum or if the AWD 350 will be stuck with the six-speed again.

MIKEYDRED

Well actually, the V10 GT was all but confirmed, it was cancelled on the 11th hour. The final ELS testing and dye casting was all that remained, the ASCC was prettty much production ready. The rumored V8 RL and S3000 on the other hand was not really publicized, but enthusiasts knew they were planning them, as the engine family was modular. The ZDX I believe was planned for a V8 as well, but if the dye wasn't already casted would have been cancelled as well. I agree they would lose all credibility if Types and the V6T was cancelled; but never say never. Especially with the rumors that Japan is taking back over the sedan development. Like the NSX I get the sense they do not respect the American team performance credibility and if this new V6T is going to share performance pieces with others not entirely Honda Japan may be having fits.

Speed_Racer

Someone on the Facebook TLX fan page is swearing the reveal is May 28th from his "sources". Believe what you want I guess. I'll believe it when I see it.

BGR

Two legit sources have confirmed that date. Hopefully a teaser this week.

Jiten Patel

Yes, he seems like a reliable source, very active member. I believe May 28th is the date.

Tony Pac

Who is the member? Patrick?

I have a friend who works for MB and I had a discussion about the new TLX and delays with him. He is very involved in the car industry and knows a lot. He told me it's fair on Acura's part to not reveal the new TLX. People are still in a state of shock, many lost their jobs, no social interactions and etc. So buying a new car or seeing a reveal online won't create buzz.. He said Acura is waiting for the reopening, warmer weather and once people start going out. He said he was told that Acura has spent a lot of money in the R&D of the new TLX and MDX. they want a positive ROI. Their new "formula" worked very well with the RDX and they are hoping the same with MDX and TLX.

Let's be patient and wait for May 28th as someone confirmed.

CollinR4

Yes, it was Patrick, I follow that group as well and, I hate to point out, he also said in the next 3 weeks on April 18th, and here we are. You throw enough at the wall and something will stick. Fingers crossed that he's right this time.

Tony Pac

I read his posts. TBH, he is pretty reliable. Of course he doesn't work for Acura. He is just involved in the car industry. But i trust him. He works for Lexus if i am not mistaken.

He is also saying Base TLX will have around 270-275HP and V6 around 365 HP. Let's see

Shadow2056

Dude got a stop and desist from Honda/Acura about info he's given before because it was info he wasn't supposed to have and was true. Is spot on with all his info. Yes. He's definitely a trusted source.

The base and other trims are supposed to have the 2.0 that's in the RDX. So the numbers I wouldn't be surprised if they're that range. The V6 turbo...I'm hoping it does have that 365hp+ range.

fiatlux

I really hope they left some headroom to allow for more power to keep up with the Germans minus Audi. Back in 2018 when they were benchmarking the C43 AMG, it was "only" making 362hp, so 365hp is very competitive, but since then the C43 has been bumped up to 385hp, and will likely continue increasing to keep up with BMW's rumored 400hp mill for the M340i.

CollinR4

They actually benchmarked the 385 hp/384 tq C43. You can tell from the single line grill (Instead of the diamond pattern) and the circular exhaust tips in the pictures.

https://www.carscoops.com/2018/11/ac...rbo-v6-engine/

It makes sense they were testing in Europe at the time to gain access to the improved C43.

Speed_Racer

ACCURATEin

May twenty eight. I will pay attention to the internet that day.

BEAR-AvHistory

400BHP+ is already a done deal with the M340 & its direct competitors. The Germans play the under rate game very well & now the Japanese with cars like the Toyota Supra using BMW engines they are also getting in on it.

The BMW B58 382BHP engine as advertised is already over 400 at the crank. C&D dyno test did 381 WHP (rear wheel power). If you use the normal conversion rates of WHP to CHP (Crank Horsepower) you get @ 10% loss factor 419BHP at the crank. With a 15% loss factor you get 438BHP at the crank. Most street cars power loss factor fall between 10 & 15%.

The other interesting thing is the test was run on California 91 octane not east coast 93.

The fact that both the Supra & Z4 that use this engine with about a 3400LBS base weight run sub 4 second 0-60MPH & low mid 12 second quarter miles supports the power numbers. The M340 also uses the B58 but the car is a bit heavier @ 3800lbs. That said it is running high sub 4 second times. To compete at this level heads up the TLX will really have to step up its game big time.

Not sure these cars are the target. They might be looking to fall between cars like the M340 & 330i & the other cars in this class.

dmski

I'm hoping that 365hp is under rated given that competition is pretty much moving the needle again. Hoping for at least 400+. All new turbo motor should easily push higher numbers. I don't want this thing to barely keep up with current G70. Come on Acura.

pyrodan007

365hp from a brand new engine, I don't know. They can't make it last 4 years unless they have hybrids in the pipeline. Honda being conservative, not many changes may come along. Regular TLX barely got major changes in 6 years, mechanics stayed the same.

CollinR4

I don't disagree with what you said, was just pointing out to the prior comment that they did benchmark against the higher horsepower C43. I don't think Acura should be trying to get into the horsepower wars with the Germans. That they were testing with the Audi and MB, I think the Type-S isn't targeting BMW in particular. They are coming with a higher horsepower entry-level engine (Assuming the RDX 2.0T 272/280), I think the Type S being a significant increase over the 2.0T, let's call it an extra 100 hp over 2.0T, combined with a solid value proposition (Advanced priced below the entry M340i X-Drive $56K) will make for a winner in my book. I know that's not what everyone is looking for but I think they need to get the products (2.0T and Type-S) to market with good reviews from the publications first without issues that plagued the first-gen TLX (9-ZF).

silverTL6

iTrader: (2)

That conservative mindset only works for established brands, who can afford to weather this downtime as they'll be back with guns blazing as usual once things are back to normal. The noteworthy challenger brands (e.g. Audi, Genesis) seem to understand this and continue to steam ahead as others rest, because there really isn't anything to lose by announcing early (again, recovery from the pandemic won't be anytime soon).

Every company wants positive ROI so that's a cop out, and honestly, how many marketing dollars are they losing by teasing new pics every now and then, instead of peddling the same tired concept from a year ago? Then again, all this ranting is falling on deaf ears over at AHM, and they'll just continue to be as stubborn as ever. We can only hope that it'll be truly worth the wait this time, but at the same time preparing to be underwhelmed yet again...

leomio85

Is Acura attempting to compete with the likes of the M340i/C43/S4/G70 though? Or are they aiming for a demographic that is looking for a "bang for your buck" crowd who also want the perceived higher reliability of Acura/Honda? Time will tell when the performance figures and sticker price are revealed.

BEAR-AvHistory

Not so sure this is still valid. The bang for the buck should be their major play. Did great for sales back when it was Acura's strong suit & they could run with the big guys.

Tony Pac

I don't disagree with you but you don't want to be Nissan/Infiniti either.

Let's hope we see something soon as we are all waiting for a while.

Rocket_man

Acura announced they will discontinue the RLX after this model year. Not a surprise really considering all the fumbles with this current version, the lack of sales, and what must be a considerable cost for such a low number of sales. But with their flagship sedan model out of the line up I hope this means more money to invest in the TLX and allow it to get more features to help it compete.

Tony Pac

Actually this is the best decision Acura made!

Let me share my opinion:

- A Japanese sedan costing $70-$80 (Canada, and i am sure in the US is expensive too), almost the same price as 5 series and E class. No one will buy. Infiniti Q70 or RLX, they were both in the same situation.
- Even Lexus, which I believe has much better brand reputation than Acura cannot sale their LS model which is compared to 7 series and S class. I just don't think people that are willing to spend big bucks to get a true luxury/limo vehicle will buy any of these Jap ones. Those people need the brand name. It has to be BMW or MB. Audi can pass but even that, i am not too sure.


Now, as Acura hinted earlier this year, they will have 2 sedans and 2 SUVs. The RDX is already in top 5 in that segment. MDX is doing pretty well considering it's 6-7 year old. Now with the new MDX, Acura will sell 120-130K units/year just with their SUVs.
The TLX and TLX Type S will definitely do better than the current generation as I believe the first generation of TLX never got that attention, although it is not a bad car.
Next, Acura should work on the ILX and bring the CDX to NA.

I believe Acura can easily go back to their old days and sell 180-200K units.

****of course my opinion is based on non Covid situation, if this continues and economy keeps going downhill, then forget these numbers *****

CollinR4

Assuming we get the new TLX (2.0T) unveiled on the 28th, any thoughts on the pricing? I'd say it's safe to assume Acura matches the RDX so we'd be looking at 8 versions: Base, Tech, A-Spec and Advanced (FWD and SH-AWD). Any estimates since it is expected to move upscale along with a much more powerful engine vs the current 2.4 while still being priced below a future Type-S.

Also, are we expecting to have to wait until August for availability or does someone think it will be earlier/later?

MIKEYDRED

Based on his posts on TOV, he is very reliable but I dont think we should be mentioning him by name talk about throwing someone under the 🚌

Tony Pac

agreed I wouldn’t have mentioned his name but he is comfortable with his name on Facebook.

a35tl

This is not a bad move on Acura's part. That gives them room to grow the TLX in performance, features and obviously a bit in price. In my opinion, Acura should really seize the opportunity to give its customers a new Acura-worthy ILX. After they roll off the new TLX and MDX, I would really like to see them introduce a very sharp, sporty ILX. Make it a real contender in the segment. Give the base model the corporate 2.0T engine and make a Type S model with 300 + horsepower and SH-AWD. Just my 2 cents.

CollinR4

I don't think I was throwing anyone under the bus, certainly not my intention and you can confirm in that group I made a very similar comment related to the prior release suggestion timeline he stated. That said, everyone appears to be familiar with him, he's on the Facebook and TOV groups, likely on here as well and he has a history of calling things correctly. I was just suggesting we temper expectations, this time around in particular with the current global situation, along with prior suggestions.

BEAR-AvHistory

Just think where they would be now if they trashed the RLX years ago & put the hybrid power package in the TLX as the S-Type.

alpha0

I always wonder why they did not create sport hybrid TLX. It would have sold in way more numbers than RLX. I would have purchased one without any hesitation. 7 DCT, better power to weight ratio, instant torque and power to rear wheels on POWER OFF situations also. Add adaptive suspension and they could have had a wonderful vehicle.

Now i read new C63 will be a sort of sport hybrid, and Acura is giving up all the costs they spent on developing sport hybrid.

fiatlux

They were ahead of their time with the ZDX since "coupe" CUVs are now all the rage. Seems like they may have also been ahead of the time with sport-hybrids too.

Rocket_man

The ZDX took the coupe styling too far and made it very impractical for shoppers. I could barely get in the back seat, no way was I spending that kind of money at that time on something so impractical. Some people did, but not many. Probably the three-motor version of the Sport Hybrid package would have been too costly for the TLX. I'm betting Acura took a loss on every RLX SH model they sold. But they should have learned from the tech and worked a newer cheaper version into the TLX. Maybe they still can but make it more of a plug in vehicle.

ESHBG

They need to do a complete overhaul on the ILX (more on the inside and mechanics) or kill that off too. I barely see any around me and it's kind of a pointless car right now.

The ZDX was odd but I had one for a loaner soon after it came out and it was kind of fun. The MPG was abysmal, though, and I did not like the strange rear door handles. And agree with the lack or practicality, the back seat was pretty useless due to the lack of headroom.

The lack of the sport hybrid across the lineup is maddening to me, what a missed opportunity. I would love to drive and potentially own an MDX one and I don't even really want/need an SUV but that is a very practical vehicle.