SuperHandlingTL

You have to look at North American sales as a whole. Acura is in the 165-170k range for 2019. Infiniti was 120k. Lexus was in the high 200’s. Acura’s current goal is to break 200k consistently which is possible with a revamped lineup. Audi is in the mid 200k range as they’ve more than doubled their annual sales in less than a decade. Its possible for Acura to do similar with the right products.

Tony Pac

100% agreed!

I actually wrote a few weeks ago, for Acura to hit 200K units is easy but they need to make a few changes. By updating the mdx, Acura will sell ~120K units just in suv.
What needs to be done?
TLX needs to be updated and offer 2 engine options, hopefully the sales number would be around 40K units.
ILX can sell around 20-25K units if it’s updated and offers similar features as A3 and CLA. 1800-2000 units is a piece of cake if ILX is updated. Young professionals will be the perfect target market.

Last but not least Acura needs CDX or ZDX to generate another ~15K to 20K units. They will surpass 200K units with Canadian market.

Tony Pac

Also Lexus is very close to BMW and Mercedes. Which is very impressive.

MSZ

IMO they aren't on the same tier with the Europeans. I will just copy and paste some 2019 numbers I saw on ToV:

Lexus RWD cars
Lexus LS 5,528
Lexus GS 3,378
Lexus IS 14,920
Lexus RC 4,591
Lexus LC 1,219
Lexus LFA 3
TOTAL RWD CARS 29,639

Lexus Trucks
Lexus GX 25,945
Lexus LX 4,718
TOTAL 30,663

Lexus FWD cars
Lexus RX 111,036
Lexus NX 58,715
Lexus ES 51,336
Lexus UX 16,725
TOTAL FWD CARS 237,812

This should tells you the whole story.

BEAR-AvHistory

2019 bmw 369,000
2019 mb 367,000

fiatlux

1) A large number of those cars counted in the FWD bucket are AWD (I'll admit they're front-biased AWD)
2) Audi doesn't make any RWD cars at all aside from the R8; they're all FWD or AWD (with most of them being front-biased Haldex units), yet they're still perceived to be in the same echelon as MB and BMW.

MSZ

Well unlike the Japaneses, Audi actually make good looking vehicles regardless of what platform are those cars based on. ​Other than LC500, none of the Lexus designs are on par with the Europeans, and we all know the Acura story so I won't even go there.

alpha0

I thought all performance models of Audi are RWD (with Quattro added). Which FWD vehicle is going to put 445hp/toque or 600 hp/torque properly and constantly send 60-70% of power to rea wheelsr? Audi's problem is placing of engine in front of front axle which screws weight balance and cornering.

MIKEYDRED

There was a time when Lexus the perennial sales leader one can argue they lost their way or the. The RX is their cash cow but they hit it with the ugly stick.

MIKEYDRED

Audis A4 and up are FWD based but the engine orientation is longitudinal just like the Acura Legend and Vigor of the 90s. The R8 is mid engine RWD based just like the NSX.

stevenpsu

So any ideas on when we actually see this new version of the TLX? Also, this video below shows a great look what the TLX could be. Hopefully they add the screen for the gauges as well. The leaked pictures almost show that screen but I'm not sure. Hopefully Acura steps up and makes a great new sedan.

Link:
https://www.acura.com/future-vehicles/precision-concept

SuperHandlingTL

Sedan sales all around are low.

SuperHandlingTL

The MLB platform is a hybrid of sorts. The drivetrain layout is longitudinal but for some reason, Audi potions the engines on or over the front axle. That also use the same ZF8 AT as BMW and many other RWD applications.

MSZ

In other markets they offer A8 in FWD only trim. The MLB platform is FWD based and like you said it is nose heavy and they all have long front overhang. This is why the new generation of Bentleys are now using the Porsche-based MSB platform which is real RWD, and the Bentleys look a whole lot better now as the engine sits behind the front axle.

TVL65

I'll be attending the NY Show to see the new TLX.

MIKEYDRED

A couple of reason I can think of possiblly is
1. crash testing.
2. cabin intrusion.
3. maintenance and accessibility.
What I don't get is why the A8 has the worse proportions out of the bunch maybe due to size who cant hide the overhangs as much the A5 and A6 for example have very tight overhangs with short front bumpers.

MSZ

You can't hide a 12 cylinder engine in front of the front axle no matter how compact it is. You look at the current Volvo designs, they stayed with a tiny inline 4 for the entire lineup so they could pull off the fake RWD proportion.

russianDude

Checking for update, Whats the latest HP number rumors?

dmski

No one knows. It's been very quiet, too quiet if you ask me. Especially when you are about to release an all new model. WTH is Acura marketing doing. At bear minimum, they should be releasing weekly teasers.
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CollinR4

Finally got to go test a G70 3.3T Sport AWD this morning. I must say I was very impressed.

That engine felt strong at every point and the transmission was very quick to kick down a gear or two when in sport mode. The seats with all of the customization (bolster and thigh extender) were very comfortable, the leather felt nice and I liked the diamond quilted pattern as well. I really liked the HUD, very customizable, lots of relevant information being displayed. Sound system was very good as well. Was shocked to learn that the car doesn't need premium gas too.

I am not a big fan of the tacked-on display the G70 has similar to what Audi/MB have recently gotten rid of, I think it looks much better on the Acura RDX where it is mounted a little deeper on the dash. It did seem to be a very responsive display. The rear seat legroom is on the small side relative to the competitive class but I had no issue sitting in the back behind myself at 5'9 with a few inches between my knees and the seatback.

All things considered, Acura is going to have their work cut out for them especially when this tops out at $52K with 365 horsepower and 376 lb-ft of torque. Really hoping for some information very soon on the TLX or I might be pulling the trigger on the G70.

Tony Pac

So I had the opportunity to sat inside TLX, Q50, IS and G70. I won’t lie the fit and finish in G70 didn’t impress me.
I still believe the Japanese won over the Korean. But in terms of performance, I can’t comment.

Yumcha

As an Infiniti owner, I will say that they need to step it up a bit...as I feel they are in a bit of a rut.

That being said, the G70 is a fun car despite the so-so interior. If we're talking interiors though, really, the best are the Germans...and yes, I'm biased but the Audi cabin is just tits.

Tony Pac

I don’t disagree with you at all. TLX and Q50 aren’t wow. But considering they are 6 year old models, I won’t be very harsh. But yes, all the Japanese need a SOS update.

The fact that G70 is a 2020 model, it didn’t blow my mind.

i think Germans are always one step ahead of Japanese. I was checking the X7 and oh man! The interior is simply wow. The quality of leather, stitches and lighting. No way Germans can match that.

CollinR4

As the owner of an IS350 F-Sport and 2017 RDX (Same dual-screen layout as the TLX) I was definitely more impressed with the materials of the G70. Granted the RDX has made a big leap forward with the new generation but the IS is soldiering on with the same infotainment set up with the mouse (Changed to a laptop trackpad style in newer models) but I still find it to be very slow like the dual-screen RDX.

Also, taking the top spot on Consumer Reports says it's a great value proposition at $52K in the entry-level luxury space.

I have less experience with the Germans but will say they are putting together some very sharp interiors, but you pay a premium for that. I'm also not a fan of the counter-clockwise speedometers that have recently been introduced a la BMW.

jjsC5

i don't follow your comment about it being a 2020. It has been out for three years now as is.

As to your last sentence, I think you typed the wrong country by accident. How can the Germans not match a German vehicle? Ooops.

Christopher.

Ugh, feels like this Type S is taking forever to finally come out.

I loved some of the older Audi's, but, recent ones are mostly quite ugly next to the TLX (not even talking about the Type S) - they look like upside down Art Deco bathtubs, and I particularly dislike the heinous new "fastback" designs. Plegh.
I am jealous of BMW/MB RWD models in terms of them having RWD though. I want a Acura version of the Civic Type R, but, w/RWD, 6MT, and the 2.0T engine, with, reserved classy styling (unlike the Type R).

Midnight Mystery

That fastback fad got old fast, didn't it?

Don't even get me started on the FUGLY A7...

someguy11

Surprised no one noticed this yet. NYIAS updated their vehicle galleries sometime between Friday (when I last checked) and today. It doesn't appear that a new TLX or even the Type S Concept will be in attendance.
https://www.autoshowny.com/gallery/c...facturer=acura

ZipSpeed

Hopefully it's not a sign of something terrible, and just a delay in updating the logistics at NYIAS. Wasn't it mentioned somewhere that the engineers were having some difficulties with the engine... cooling related issues? Acura needs to launch something new this year since we got nothing last year. Two years with no new product is a long time in the automotive world. If the TLX and Type-S need to be delayed, so be it. But the new MDX needs to come out sooner than later.

BGR

BGR

They won't post until Acura makes their announcement. Dealer orders are starting next month so it has to be there unless they do a private reveal.

CheeseyPoofs McNut

Looks like I71 around Marysville???

BGR

Yes, someone posted on Facebook and said Marysville.

Tony Pac

Thanks for sharing these pics. But honestly, I am a bit tired of these posts. Acura is sleeping and there is no news about the new TLX and MDX. Tbh, the RDX buzz is over now. People got it. It's a good car, drives well and it's priced reasonably. Now, even the RDX needs a minor update. So, Acura has nothing to offer in terms of marketing to bring people to the dealership. Oh! I forgot, the PMC edition lol! C'mon Acura. Keep the momentum.

MSZ

Looks is subjective. But the sales numbers in the past decade already suggested that the Audis are far more popular than any Acuras.

BGR

Honestly I almost didn't post because I'm tired of them too.
After seeing the new Genesis GV80 and knowing the G80 is going to debut next month I'm losing interest in the Type S.

That's why I think Acura shouldn't have shown the concept last August if the production version isnt debuting until april and on sale months late . I'm over it.

BGR

That's a low bar and the TLX has outsold the Audi A4 most months considering they sell cars to rental companies. Audi is hands down the most boring car brand as far as looks are concerned. The S line is nice to drive but a lot of their cars are boring to drive especially compared to BMW.

Tony Pac

TLX
2015 47,080
2016 37,156
2017 34,846
2018 30,468
2019 26,548

A4/S4
2015 29,013
2016 34,687
2017 34,434
2018 34,311
2019 26,435

Not 100% correct what you just wrote. but if you are comparing the entire lineup, then yes you are right and Audi started outselling Acura for the last decade and so. Since, we are on the topic of TLX, i though to share that TLX is outselling A4 most of the time.

ACCURATEin

I just went to the acura website and there is a 4 or 5 second clip from the commercial that keeps playing and you can clearly see how pronounced the hips are on the new tlx, and compared to the current tlx it looks much different.

Jiten Patel

Looks like A-Spec styling based on that rear bumper. This one is different than the one we saw in October. The one in October didn't have the rear bumper vents. (Referring to the "2021 TLX New Spyshots" thread)