F23A4

I found this interesting regarding the exhaust system:

https://acurazine.com/forums/2g-tlx-.../#post16751106
(posted in the 2G TLX Performance Parts & Modifications forum)

F23A4

CheeseyPoofs McNut

This isn't going to end well...

Kense

F23A4

One way or the other....

Jim Schillerstrom

Just picked up my Type S and she is a beast... Not even close to as fast as my X6M but the handling is flawless!

mike03a3

In the comments to the video people are debating if the TLX-S is a medium or small sedan, and wondering why does the interior seem small.

I think the answer lies in some numbers:

BMW 540i
Length: 195.8
Wheelbase: 117.1
Width: 73.5 (w/o mirrors)
Weight: 3898

TLX-S
Length: 194.6
Wheelbase: 113.0
Width: 75.2 (w/o mirrors)
Weight: 4200

So the Type-S is only 1.2" shorter overall but 4.1" shorter between the axles. Plus it's 102 pounds heavier than the 5 series sedans, which also have more shoulder and head room. They styled it to look like a larger RWD sedan, but designed it with a smaller FWD interior.

fiatlux

FWD is generally more space efficient than RWD.

Honda430

It’s simply weird that folks constantly knock the TLX backseat space yet when C&D has a review which basically says the G70 back seat is barely usable not a peep of criticism.

Kense

Maybe because the TLX is 10 inches longer than the G70, the TLX should have more room.

Honda430

That’s not the point. If you need the back seat room then regardless of how big the car is it should be a complaint. A few folks here went on for weeks about the 2” of additional leg room that they felt the TLX needed.

BEAR-AvHistory

Could have had a limo backseat if the pushed the wheels further apart. Instead you get a case of form over function & the car is still laying 59% of its weight over the front wheels. As good of a job the differential does in hiding that fact imagine how great that system would be on a normal RWD biased car with something like 50/50 or 48/52 distribution.

fiatlux

If course it matters. For instance, the backseat is adequate in a Fit, but in a car the size of an Accord it would not be acceptable. Extreme example but the same point holds here. The larger size of the TLX for some is a liability, and if you don’t even get any extra interior space out of it then what’s the point?

Honda430

The car either accommodates your two child seats or your fat in-laws or it doesn’t. My recollection is that the basis for the complaints about the TLX were more centered on a mid-size sports sedan should have more rear leg room and how absent that it wouldn’t work for a family. Last I checked the G70 was a mid-size sports sedan that someone who was looking at a TLX might consider buying so realistically the same complaint of limited rear seat room should apply.

fiatlux

Again, these things don't exist in a vacuum. For instance, the rear seat room of the TLX and IS500 are both not ideal. However, I'm willing to compromise and deal/suffer with it for the IS500 because of the rest of the car. However, I'm not willing to do the same for the TLX because the other pros are not enough to make up for the cons. With the TLX not only do you not get the rear seat practicality, but with its size it's a PITA to park in the city, it's got a ho-hum powertrain that coupled with it's extra mass leads to middling performance, it's got a stupid brace behind the back seat that hinders utility, and you have to deal with the subpar Acura dealership experience. On the flip side, the driving dynamics is great, I like the brakes, SH-AWD is a plus, and it looks good, but for me those are not enough to make up for the cons. If it had the same passenger space as the Accord, then for me it would be a winner because literally none of the direct competitors can match that real world usability. And even if it didn't, at least if it were as small as the other cars, performance would be improved and I wouldn't knock it for being a bitch to park in the city, so that kills two birds right there.

Honda430

I get your argument, but what you’re essentially saying is that if you lacked the needed back seat room a car that did a 1 second faster quarter mile with less rear seat room than a Type S would justify your purchase of said car. My take is if you didn’t really need the back seat room you shouldn’t be using the lack there of to bludgeon a particular vehicle. If you really needed the space it would be a less that ideal decision to forego it for a car that performed marginally better than another.

Understand this assumes that you really needed the back seat room if you didn’t you were just bitching about something that was not relative to your vehicle choice.

Kense

Huh? If a car is 10 inches shorter than the other I would expect the interior to be tighter. Meanwhile the interior room doesn’t match the size of the TLX .

Honda430

This conversation isn’t about your expectations. It’s about rear leg room in two vehicles that even you put in the same class. If you’re shopping in that class and you complain about the TLX rear seat room and not that in the G70 then your complaints were never really about the lack of rear seat room. Now if you stated the TLX was just to big a vehicle for your that I’d understand but then you drive an Accord which is actually an inch longer than a TLX.

BEAR-AvHistory

Maybe its as simple as having a car with 10 more inches in length wasting the extra length it trying to look like something its not. Its a FWD body shell posing as a RWD car. Even the testers who liked the car commented on the tightness. The back seat is this cars beak & there is no logical reason for it.

CheeseyPoofs McNut

Oh come on now - how many people walk up to a car and think "You know - that car is about 10 inches too long for me given that it has a small back seat." I'll tell you how many - 4. All of whom post on this forum

How many people even know how long a car is? Maybe .0005% of the population. Hell - that's probably being generous.

F23A4

What? You mean to say you don’t walk around with a tape measure? What kind of world is this?

robnalex

Yep- it's a nice car with a bullshit problem. The marketing is bullshit. The car is long, wide, and heavy with a tiny back seat, a small trunk, and for the 2.0L-4, a cavernous hood. Big on the outside, small on the inside. Looks like a badass, but is slow.

ELIN

Can any Type S owners comment on when they cursed the brace and couldn't put something in the trunk that normally would go in? Just wondering if it's a real-world issue...

ELIN

No it isn't. The TLX is more than 2" longer than the Accord.

04WDPSeDaN

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robnalex

The TLX is BIG. We bought one in March that we recently traded, and I confess that I failed to consider the dimensions. When I parked it next to our 2019 RDX, my wife said "I think that car is wider than the RDX." I said, "No- it can't be." Yep- it's wider and longer than an RDX, and I was always aware of this when driving on narrow, two-lane roads.

BEAR-AvHistory

Come on man!! Devil made me do it. You must know that when someone walks up to a car they know if its big or little & if car Acura is bigger than car Bmw. They also know when they get in the back seat if its big or tight. I can see with out looking hard that my behemoth 2 seater in most dimensions is bigger than my 4 seater.

If all the guys are happy with the seating thats fine. Personally think they missed a chance to do one of those charts they like about why the TLX is better.

Kense

So if two cars are side by side and one is substantially larger and you get in to find the space nearly the same as a much smaller car you’re ok with that? People actually looking to buy the car complained about that . It’s not my expectations it’s people who had the car on their shopping list. Obviously It’s a problem for people

Honda430

My only point was that the lack of rear seat room would also be a problem for anyone looking to purchase a G70 yet no one here is criticizing the G70 for having a small back seat. The G70 is the smallest car in the segment and that includes the IS350. The most repeated complaint I’ve read from people who have shopped the G70 is that the interior of the car was too small for them. I’ve no doubt the G70 is a great car, but to overlook the fact that it’s small inside is giving the car more credit than it’s due.

WTF.Acura

pyrodan007

In the review above, reviewer clearly says backseat in G70 is bigger than the TLX (referenced timestamp)

Honda430

Yes, that was a bit surprising. I must note that at least to me he seemed to have enough space for him in the back of the TLX. By the way, he also got a 4.76 0-60 and strongly recommended the vehicle. Keep in mind that he has reviewed the G70.

Acuransx1

Hello. New member here long time Acura owner -- 3.2 TL (think that is what it was called back in 2000), 2003 TLS, 2004 TL, 2006 TL, 1994 NSX. I still have both the NSX and the beloved 04 TL (only 191,000 shockingly trouble-free miles -- owned since new and will never give it up).

I feel compelled to weigh in on the back seat TLX discussion. In 2015 I sold the 06 to a buddy who really needed a good car and could not afford much. It was more like a donation but no regrets. I decided that I needed something with less than the 150,000 miles that the 04 TL had at that time. I looked at the Gen 1 TLX and it left me unimpressed. Wonky transmission, strange handling FWD variant and "honey I shrunk the kids" interior space. Never mind what Acura marketing said -- interior, in particular back seat significantly less space than the Gen III TL. I took a pass on the TLX and moved into an Audi A6 (nice car but comes with all of the German car upsides and downsides -- most of those downsides taken care of under warranty thankfully).

I was hoping that the Gen 2 TLX would give me back the rear compartment space that I need. I am not an SUV/CUV consumer and do need a sedan that can accommodate 4 adults in comfort. The A6 does so nicely. As much as I have loved every one of the Acuras I have leased/owned in the past and want to return to Acura and see them succeed in the marketplace, the lack of rear seat space/comfort simply takes the new TLX off my list. Very unfortunate.

Best,
Jeff

Honda430

If you don't mind me asking as someone who wants the rear seat space what cars are currently on your list?

Acuransx1

Presently I am in a holding pattern. Since the A6 has relatively low miles and I have a tech at the Audi dealer who is willing do work on the side for me I'm OK running that car another couple of years (only has 58K miles but, you know, German......anything can happen, LOL). I also still have the beloved 04 TL.

There isn't much on the market these days that will give me a mid to larger size sport sedan with a comfortable rear compartment. While not a sport sedan, the top spec Chevy Impala that I rented a few times for business trips was very nice (shocking, I know) -- kind of like A6 light -- 2/3 the cost and 85-90% as good. Sadly that one is out of production. I don't see myself as a Cadillac guy so that takes their sedans out of contention. Perhaps another A6 but to tell you the truth I'm waiting on the rumored new Mazda 6 and hoping that it has a decent size rear compartment. https://www.motortrend.com/news/2023...6-future-cars/ Ford has no sedans to sell, FCA/Stellantis only has very old platform cars and I don't really want a Chrysler 300/Dodge Charger and aside from Cadillac, GM has nothing.

I don't want anything as big as a 7 series BMW/Audi A8 or S Class Mercedes for a variety of reasons, not the least of which is that I'd like to leave the German car maintenance costs and suspect reliability behind. I did stop by the BMW dealer on my way to the office and sat in the back of a 5 Series -- not as roomy/comfortable rear compartment as the A6.

Given the ever shrinking sedan lineup I'm not going to wait too long. Despite my desire to leave the Fatherland, I may execute on another A6 (may let someone else take the depreciation hit and get a CPO last year C7 platform [2018] since that has the supercharged engine with which I am familiar and like much more than the replacement /19 and newer turbo engine, assuming I can find one with low miles at right price with a good service history). Perhaps a lightly used 2020/21 Chevy Impala. While I'd love to return to the Honda/Acura camp I just can't find anything that suits my needs. I did drive the Accord and while it's not bad, I don't care for how it looks, especially the rear end.

I'm really hoping that Mazda comes out with something that speaks to me. I've driven a number of their cars over the years and of those I've driven I have found most very enjoyable to drive -- kind of like Honda/Acura of years past.

If you have any suggestions please share -- mabye I'm overlooking a viable candidate. Thanks!

Best,
Jeff

Honda430

The only real alternative these days is a SUV. I drove a 3G RDX ultimately I came to the conclusion I wasn’t an SUV guy and traded it in for a TLX-2 Aspec. Kids and wife are long gone so real need for a roomy rear seat.

About the BMW 5, I ubered in a 540i last year and was surprised at how much room there wasn’t in the rear and believe it or not the relative cheapness of the rear door panel inserts. They looked good, but I was expecting better in a $75K automobile.

pyrodan007

Audi A5, has space for 4 adults and luggage in the back without issues, no SUV required. Kia Stinger and VW Arteon are similar. Would personally avoid the Arteon due to the terrible sound system.

motlagh

Have the guys complaining about back seat space actually sat in the rear of the car? I get the point that you might expect more space due to the exterior proportions, but I have to think we're talking about two different cars if you consider the back to be "tiny." At least for someone of average height, it is not "tight" or "tiny" by any fair use of the words. I found it comfortable and not cramped at all, but of course this will ultimately depend on your needs. For comparison, I agree that the A6 is much roomier on the inside, but in my view it's more of a dedicated passenger car (recently test drove).

pyrodan007

Haven't sat in the newer TLX, but the previous gen TLX was not the best. I'm 5'11 and being in back of me was just fair.

ELIN

Some folks have been trying to frame the new TLX as a "family car" but having issues with necessities like seat comfort when a normal sized child seat is installed in the back.

I've said it a million times on AZ: the 2G TLX is not a good family car (small kids and/or small adults are ok).