vhtran

Slightly downhill. =)

Honda430

Didn't he label the S4 the ultimate daily driver as the title of one of his videos? Is Audi also paying him off? Additionally he was somewhat lukewarm in his review of the 4T Aspec which kinda dispels the idea that he’s a paid Acura booster.

BEAR-AvHistory

Nice misdirection but this is about his involvement with the Type-S launch & follow up activates. He did say he got 4.58, off a cliff maybe, when car and driver can only get a 4.9. Take C&D - 1 foot roll out & that's about 5.1sec. Most others are in the 5.2 area. He did stage a phony drag race at the Laguna Seca reveal beating an S4, one of which kicked the TLX-S's ass, in real drag & roll races generating a bunch of YouTube hits Which did get universaly panned.

Now he shows up & just happens to get a photo shoot with an M3 like some the M3's performance image might rub off on the Type S.

loki

Apparently, some members of this forum think the same road is uphill going one way and flat coming back down.

Legend2TL

How convenient of you to fail to mention his run @4:42 in the opposite direction for uphill, then comment on both runs time and average both runs for ~4.7s

Also please explain what kind of "selling" is it when he:
complains of the chassis being too large @12:25
complains of the back seats being too small @12:40
complains of large lack of features compared to the Stinger @16:52

then @18:42 says "hasn't really surpassed anybody", then states he won't give it his full recommendations cause of the Korean offerings (G70/Stinger)

is that what you define as "selling"?

Kense

Serious question, do you work for Honda/Acura or have thousands of shares of stock in them? Why are you always so defensive of them. I'm not talking about Audi, I don't care about Audi, but he faked a win in a drag race at an Acura event. That is enough for me to question him.

pyrodan007

Depends if hill is parabolic since it would "help" acceleration in both directions. If stepper going down, it helps car take off. If flatter at the beginning when going up, momentum kicks in at the end. Taking the average is not valid since numbers are not linear (acceleration value is different on each point of graph/line).

fiatlux

Either way, the average between 4.58s and 5.11s is more like 4.85s, not 4.7s, so perhaps there's still a bit of gamesmanship going on. I'd be curious to know if those numbers include rollout. If so then in aggregate they seem reasonably close enough to the 4.9s C&D got.

The better question I think is...why couldn't he have just found a flat road and just avoided all this downhill/uphill nonsense? Even I could find a flat road in one of the hilliest cities in the country.

Honda430

My comment was simply a statement of what I know to be fact. Please point out where I misspoke.

fiatlux

His videos tend to be overly positive on most of the cars he gets. Presumably it's because if he presents a negative view, automakers will be upset and he'll lose access to cars. I have no doubt if he was filming an S4 video and compared it to the Type S, the S4 would come out on top. It's just the way the system works for a lot of these Youtubers. Nobody wants to be like SG and lose access to cars because they didn't toe the company line.

Honda430

Did we all watch the same video? He didn’t step on any of the other cars in the segment and praised the Koreans. What in the world is this hysteria some of you are exhibiting all about? Shit is just weird.

fiatlux

I'm refering specifically to the first video with the whole Type S vs S4 drag race fiasco.

Honda430

He did a do over which supplants that first video. Why not simply concentrate on what he put up today after spending several days driving the car in his own backyard?

BEAR-AvHistory

Selling is staging a fake drag race with a supposed hot Type-S winning against a car the that will kick its ass every day & twice on Sunday at the drags. The words are bullshit except for the nit pickers, its always the video that delivers the message.

Maybe the 4.7 Average that you are trying to sell fits in pretty well with Red Lines game. There are NO averages in a race, the time is the time. Question why was this guy stupid enough to post an invalid time 4.58 if not to get a positive number before the publics? Why post it at all?

If you believe what you posted read the comments after people saw the real drag race that Sam ran. The initial bullshit of Laguna Seca tumbled down very quickly now the fans are using averages to salvage something from a really bad introduction.

S4 over the TLX TypeS by a few bus lengths is what is real. Wake up & smell the 100 octane

Nexx

I dont think he faked anything. I just dont think they put the S4 in sport mode before the race. From the races I've seen the S4 launches horribly in normal mode. Its like a completely different car off the line in sport. The S4 would probably have won that race if they went a full quarter mile in that race.

fiatlux

If that's the case, then the best case scenario is to attribute it to sheer incompentence for not putting S4 into sport mode. The worst case scenario is to attribute it to outright dishonesty for knowing about it but neglecting to inform viewers that the S4 was hamstrung. Either way, it's a knock to his credibility.

Legend2TL

unless there was some subjective checking of the various drive modes of all the vehicles then one cannot say with any certainty there was faking or cheating.

Kense

Purposely not putting one car in sport mode when the other car is in sport mode is false advertising.

BEAR-AvHistory

You don't get a do-over when you are caught lying in the original. The only reason for a do-over is he got killed on social media & it was most likely hurting Red Lines business.

Kense

He didn't show his 4.58 time either. He just said that's what it read.

BEAR-AvHistory

Supposed experts FORGOT to check what mode the car is in for a vid they hoped would have wide exposure? They got the exposure close to 300,000 views. Best not saying anything than trying to float a lead sinker.

Yeah have no doubt that the Audi would have won. When Sam fell asleep & got hole shot laid on him in the first race when he finally woke up he drove completely around the Acura & won.

Another thought Acura spent how much money on the Laguna Seca event to end up being mocked in social media because the experts that they invited forgot to put a car in the correct mode

BEAR-AvHistory

In the vids of his I looked at he never showed any numbers just said the was a 4.7 or 5.1. I only accept the YouTube numbers when the driver has Dragy hook up to show the various times real time.

Legend2TL

because it was not a drag race, it was simply to cancel out the 2% grade the road had, so naturally he made runs in both directions like many testers do. Same is done for top speed tests to account of wind.

People are all (myself included)

But overall I do not believe he's trying to promote or demote the car. He merely pointed out the positives and negatives in comparison to the market and competition which seemed fair to me.

Legend2TL

Would be, but you don't know if they did.

Tony Pac

If he was promoting the car, he wouldn't have highly praised the stinger. Unfortunately, here anything positive related to TLX or Acura is seen biased, fake, false marketing and anything negative is discussed for days and weeks and even months. I just posted the Accord beating the 330 a few days ago. Go check how many people responded or discussed that topic. As I always say and I will repeat again, this is a free market. Go buy what you like and there are at least 8 other cars in this segment. Go buy the one that fits your needs and budget. It just amazes me to see people writing essays and spending hours about a product that they have zero interest.

F23A4

Listening to the V6 makes me miss my 19 3.5.

Kense

No need to make excuses for them. The S4 has a 4.2 0-60 time, they did 2 runs they didn't stop to think gee maybe we don't have it in the right mode? Even though it tells you in the Display what drive mode you're in? You deep down know this was a fake race.

Kense

Exactly. Very suspicious. Even those guys who work for Acura AHC or whatever they are called showed the Dragy times when they ran the Type S

Tony Pac

I will ask you an honest question and this is with all respect:
Do you really think people that buy TYPE S and S4 or G70, do they really care about 4.2 vs. 4.5 or 4.6? Let's assume some people do. What would be that percentage? If Acura targets to sell 35,000 TLX per year and TYEP S represents 5,000. Out of 5,000 how many will time their 0-60? this is not about Acura. But about all cars in this segment. Unless you are paying big bucks and you go on track or you are part of a club. I honestly don't think anyone cares. again, this is not to disagree with you or anyone.

Legend2TL

Not an excuse, just stating deep down you nor I know what mode it was in. Pretty simple.

whiteGSR

Not saying if the 4.58 was "valid" or not, but you can clearly see the 4.58 time on the video starting @ 4:19. Well, at least I can when I set the resolution to 4K

Kense

I'll ask you and everybody who doesn't care about numbers this. Why not just get the A spec and be happy then? If nobody cares why even make a Type S? Speed isn't everything so just stick with a 4 banger and enjoy it. It looks the same. You can put big quad exhaust tips on that and call it a day. Why is everyone here looking at a performance car if you don't care about performance? I would think people interested in a Type S, S4 or G70 DO care otherwise they'd op for the 4 Cylander versions like people who don't want an M340i or M3/4 op for the 330.

Kense

I know for a fact unless the guy driving has no legs the S4 is faster. It has been proven by Sam Car Legion who everybody seems to laugh at for not being able to drive, yet he dusted the Type S. So how do you explain that?

Legend2TL

Will agree the S4 is faster than the TLX-S but that's by C&D, MotorWeek, and other auto media instrumented tests, and not some guy using FRS radios at an abandoned road to conduct drag tests.

Kense

Even before Sam raced both cars, Car and Driver got a 4.2, even if Soyfan (Spelling) got a 4.5 he still would have lost that race he had with the S4. It's why he got so much flack in the first place.

04WDPSeDaN

iTrader: (1)

You must have multiple personalities Baktash.

You like to make such posts but then post the base model 3 series losing to the accord in a drag race. Yes, a drag race which is essentially testing a vehicle's performance.

You're constantly talking a ton of shit on the TLX page. Calling people Audi fan boys and that you're happy the Stinger is being discontinued. Who are you exactly to call anyone a fanboy? Who are you exactly to talk about performance? Who are you exactly to constantly play this flip flop game here?

Baktash, I don't know brother, but you need to sit down and talk to someone. Acura is Acura, you and I are nobody to them. Let it go man. You're not their hero.

And to answer your question, YES, I do believe people buying the S4, C43, Stinger, G70 & the TLX-S are doing so because they want a performance vehicle and would hope they did enough research to justify their purchase, whatever it may be.

Honda430

Just a question for you. When you call Tony Pac by his FB handle and me by mine what kind of insult are you attempting to make and why?

04WDPSeDaN

iTrader: (1)

Where's the insult? Isn't Jeffery your name? as Baktash is Tony Pac's name?

So everyone else who calls you Jeffery insults you? If I really wanted to be a huge asshole, I would post screen shots. But i'm not that type of person to do so. Keep in mind, a lot of users here are on those pages. It's not difficult to connect the dots when you're posting pictures of your TLX here and there. So there's no difference because everyone knows your name when you post on Facebook groups.. Get it?

Honda430

Don’t play silly. You aren’t that stupid. Other than Tony and I who on the site to you ignore their site handle and use their first name? Feel free to share your first name while you’re at it so we can be properly introduced.

04WDPSeDaN

iTrader: (1)

You really think for a moment since being here 2007 that I only know you and Tony's name?

My name is Gus. You could have found that out if you followed my build thread since many know me personally.

I'm not playing silly. I call people by their actual names even in my build thread. So don't get it twisted.