2021 Acura TLX vs The Competition
11-10-2021, 08:21 AM
#1482
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I don’t ever recall claiming a worked for Honda. Can you show me where I said that? I did some consulting work on a project for them but never “worked for Honda”.
As far as cost of materials, do you have a number you would like to present to disprove me since you seem to be so smart and knowledgeable? O wait I guess I’m wrong, according to BAC the average raw mat cost last year was $2200/car.
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/raw-m...172812315.html
As far as cost of materials, do you have a number you would like to present to disprove me since you seem to be so smart and knowledgeable? O wait I guess I’m wrong, according to BAC the average raw mat cost last year was $2200/car.
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/raw-m...172812315.html
It's ~50-60% for typical mass production car these days.
https://www.mtvehicles.com/post/how-...-to-make-a-car
Raw materials and auto parts – this is by far the biggest cost driver in the auto industry, accounting for up to 57% of the total price.
11-10-2021, 09:02 AM
#1483
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I'm not sure what this new fascination is with thinking the Rich are all like Warren Buffet and don't care about things. You visited here you don't live here, looking around a parking lot doesn't confirm anything. By the way there's 77 Billionaires in the Bay Area. This whole thing is like when LeBron was doing Kia Commercials and Steph Doing Infiniti commercials, you think that's what they drive?. There's a very materialistic competition vibe about Silicon valley it's just a fact, even if people don't care about cars, they know cars and want to have something with status. Most people have more than one car, yes a lot of tesla's but that's just ONE of their cars.
This scene is more realistic than you may want to believe.
This scene is more realistic than you may want to believe.
2) It's not a fact, it's just your perceived reality
3) To give you a reference to your statement
There's over 200,000 Millionaires and Billionaires out here and probably another million or so people making over $300,000. Their beater commute car may be a Porche Cayenne GTS and their weekend cars are McLaren's or something I see it all the time .
4) There's no "new fascination is with thinking the Rich are all like Warren Buffet" it's just simply not as you believe it is. The biggest common denominator I've seen from highly successful tech folks from Vinod Khosla to Elon Musk is they're highly driven to the "The New New Thing" (which BTW is a great book by Michael Lewis, highly recommended). From my observation most of the tech leaders and many workers thrive for creating the next big thing, to many that is a extremely satisfying thing. Houses, jets, cars are nice no doubt but the drive to push tech forward is the end game.
11-10-2021, 10:13 AM
#1484
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Moment of truth coming up:
11-10-2021, 10:18 AM
#1485
AZ Community Team
^ 
11-10-2021, 10:22 AM
#1486
https://caredge.com/ranks/depreciati...ry/5-year/best
Luxury/premium brands simply aren't going to hold value very well, no matter how you slice it. Even Lexus doesn't do as well as their Toyota brethren, though close, but better than Acura when compared to Honda.
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11-10-2021, 10:25 AM
#1487
Oooooh, giddy up!
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11-10-2021, 10:39 AM
#1488
While I fundamentally agree, Acura dragged the higher end German sport sedans into the conversation with their constant drumbeat of ads touting Type-S performance and comparing it to the Germans.
I was planning to replace my existing '07 Type-S with the new one. Despite some support issues with Acura (disintegrating dash top being the biggest one), and the sad lack of manual transmissions, I was looking forward to the new one.
Sadly, when it finally appeared and I had the opportunity to see and drive one I was disappointed. As I have written previously, it lacks some key tech features I expected, it was bigger externally, and much heavier which compromised the performance and lacked color combinations that attracted me. That was especially disappointing since the individual tech features and colors are all found in the TLX line.
Prior to visiting the Acura dealer I had never driven a BMW or Audi. My Euro car of choice previously had been a couple of V-12 Jags, both of which I really loved. But i have choices, plenty of them. I live next to the border of the two wealthiest counties in the US, both with six figure median incomes. Mercedes, BMW, Porche and Jaguar have long been very common, with Jaguar declining in the last decade as it lost its way and was replaced by Audi. Acura was pretty popular as well, until the 4G TL got smacked in the face by a chrome shovel. I'm surrounded by dealers for those brands as well as Ferrari, Lamborghini, Maserati, Aston-Martin, Bentley and any other high end brand you can think of.
But I have Acura to thank for giving me the idea to look at BMW. Well, Jaguar too, since it has walked completely away from the sport sedan market.
So, I took my disappointment to my local BMW dealer and drove a 540, since it was roughly the same size and power as the new Type-S. I was quite impressed with the 5 series. But after considering all the options, I simply couldn't resist the M550. Quite likely my last chance to own a fire breathing V-8 sport sedan. If I keep it as long as my last couple, I'll still be driving it if i survive to 94. So I figured I'd just get big V-8.
I was planning to replace my existing '07 Type-S with the new one. Despite some support issues with Acura (disintegrating dash top being the biggest one), and the sad lack of manual transmissions, I was looking forward to the new one.
Sadly, when it finally appeared and I had the opportunity to see and drive one I was disappointed. As I have written previously, it lacks some key tech features I expected, it was bigger externally, and much heavier which compromised the performance and lacked color combinations that attracted me. That was especially disappointing since the individual tech features and colors are all found in the TLX line.
Prior to visiting the Acura dealer I had never driven a BMW or Audi. My Euro car of choice previously had been a couple of V-12 Jags, both of which I really loved. But i have choices, plenty of them. I live next to the border of the two wealthiest counties in the US, both with six figure median incomes. Mercedes, BMW, Porche and Jaguar have long been very common, with Jaguar declining in the last decade as it lost its way and was replaced by Audi. Acura was pretty popular as well, until the 4G TL got smacked in the face by a chrome shovel. I'm surrounded by dealers for those brands as well as Ferrari, Lamborghini, Maserati, Aston-Martin, Bentley and any other high end brand you can think of.
But I have Acura to thank for giving me the idea to look at BMW. Well, Jaguar too, since it has walked completely away from the sport sedan market.
So, I took my disappointment to my local BMW dealer and drove a 540, since it was roughly the same size and power as the new Type-S. I was quite impressed with the 5 series. But after considering all the options, I simply couldn't resist the M550. Quite likely my last chance to own a fire breathing V-8 sport sedan. If I keep it as long as my last couple, I'll still be driving it if i survive to 94. So I figured I'd just get big V-8.
11-10-2021, 11:15 AM
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By now, it's pretty clear that the Type S is an amazing machine. But it's crazy heavy! As I always say, 0-60 isn't important for most people, but people want a reliable and headache free car in this category. Here you go, Acura gave us that!
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11-10-2021, 11:21 AM
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The Type S is really starting to grow on me, particularly given that quick shifting tranny and sweet exhaust note.
With respect to the this runoff versus the 2.0T Accord, the standing start results were not surprising. If I recall correctly, it launched fairly impressively versus a few of its competitors in a some of the other videos. #1/8milequeen?
With that out of the way, I'd like to see an Accord 2.0T solely with a tune run a Type S. (If my stage 3 A-Spec is any indicator, an Accord with this level of tune should be a handful for the Type S.)
With respect to the this runoff versus the 2.0T Accord, the standing start results were not surprising. If I recall correctly, it launched fairly impressively versus a few of its competitors in a some of the other videos. #1/8milequeen?
With that out of the way, I'd like to see an Accord 2.0T solely with a tune run a Type S. (If my stage 3 A-Spec is any indicator, an Accord with this level of tune should be a handful for the Type S.)
11-10-2021, 11:23 AM
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11-10-2021, 11:24 AM
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11-10-2021, 11:26 AM
#1493
I want to see if the same results hold if Sam was driving the Type S. We all know he sucks ass at drag races. Even with the Type S being faster, once you factor in the Sam handicap it might be dead even 
11-10-2021, 11:28 AM
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I do, however, think it'll be a lot closer than it should be considering that the Type S costs $20k more...
One for the tlx-s I cant say its lost every test so far. Congrats on beating the Honda
Excited to see if the Type-S can finally put a tally mark in its very lonely "win" column. So what if it's sibling is severely underpowered right? Still counts as a win right?
The TLX Type S needs to win fights in it's weight class, which it cant
Acura has some work to do
For all those who don't live 0-60 or a 1/4 mile at a time I hope you all enjoyed the video you did not watch.
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11-10-2021, 11:32 AM
#1495
Did you just see the S vs Honda. interesting delta comment by the losers fan.
I do, however, think it'll be a lot closer than it should be considering that the Type S costs $20k more...
The TLX Type S needs to win fights in it's weight class, which it cant
Acura has some work to do
One for the tlx-s I cant say its lost every test so far. Congrats on beating the Honda
Excited to see if the Type-S can finally put a tally mark in its very lonely "win" column. So what if it's sibling is severely underpowered right? Still counts as a win right?
For all those who don't live 0-60 or a 1/4 mile at a time I hope you all enjoyed the video you did not watch.
I do, however, think it'll be a lot closer than it should be considering that the Type S costs $20k more...
The TLX Type S needs to win fights in it's weight class, which it cant
Acura has some work to do
One for the tlx-s I cant say its lost every test so far. Congrats on beating the Honda
Excited to see if the Type-S can finally put a tally mark in its very lonely "win" column. So what if it's sibling is severely underpowered right? Still counts as a win right?
For all those who don't live 0-60 or a 1/4 mile at a time I hope you all enjoyed the video you did not watch.
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11-10-2021, 11:45 AM
#1496
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11-10-2021, 12:03 PM
#1497
Raw material is not material cost, material cost = raw materials + components (parts, subassemblies, everything from ECU's to spark plugs to crankshafts to airbags to fasteners ...) for the auto manufacturer which you are wrong again (you originally said material costs and I proved you wrong last year)
It's ~50-60% for typical mass production car these days.
https://www.mtvehicles.com/post/how-...-to-make-a-car
It's ~50-60% for typical mass production car these days.
https://www.mtvehicles.com/post/how-...-to-make-a-car
I like how your source is a random website aimed at setting up Montana LLCs, and doesn't even bother to site where they got the 57% number from. Is that the best you can do?
This coming from the guy who claims the earth is flat and 1+1 = 3. See, I can play your little game too.
11-10-2021, 12:14 PM
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11-10-2021, 12:45 PM
#1499
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Hm, I don't ever recall claiming my numbesr were material costs including subparts, just raw mat costs. Can you point me to where I said that? Or is this another one of those cases where you claim someone said somethign they didn't in order to "prove" them wrong?
I like how your source is a random website aimed at setting up Montana LLCs, and doesn't even bother to site where they got the 57% number from. Is that the best you can do?
This coming from the guy who claims the earth is flat and 1+1 = 3. See, I can play your little game too.
I like how your source is a random website aimed at setting up Montana LLCs, and doesn't even bother to site where they got the 57% number from. Is that the best you can do?
This coming from the guy who claims the earth is flat and 1+1 = 3. See, I can play your little game too.
Here's the EPA government study which used McKinsey's cost analysis for ~10 auto manufacturers that IIRC I linked last time you made the same silly statementDeflection that's all you got? You think material cost is $2k per car? You obviously think the world is flat, as well as believing the tooth fairy and Santa Claus are real
But keep on deflecting
https://nepis.epa.gov/Exe/ZyNET.exe/...kPage=x&ZyPURL
11-10-2021, 12:46 PM
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11-10-2021, 12:47 PM
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Again...can you point me to where I said this? I do not recall saying that my numbers included parts and components. Good job knocking down a strawman you set up. What courage. Truly a legend among legends.
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11-10-2021, 12:51 PM
#1502
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11-10-2021, 01:32 PM
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11-10-2021, 03:26 PM
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Did you just see the S vs Honda. interesting delta comment by the losers fan.
I do, however, think it'll be a lot closer than it should be considering that the Type S costs $20k more...
One for the tlx-s I cant say its lost every test so far. Congrats on beating the Honda
Excited to see if the Type-S can finally put a tally mark in its very lonely "win" column. So what if it's sibling is severely underpowered right? Still counts as a win right?
The TLX Type S needs to win fights in it's weight class, which it cant
Acura has some work to do
For all those who don't live 0-60 or a 1/4 mile at a time I hope you all enjoyed the video you did not watch.
I do, however, think it'll be a lot closer than it should be considering that the Type S costs $20k more...
One for the tlx-s I cant say its lost every test so far. Congrats on beating the Honda
Excited to see if the Type-S can finally put a tally mark in its very lonely "win" column. So what if it's sibling is severely underpowered right? Still counts as a win right?
The TLX Type S needs to win fights in it's weight class, which it cant
Acura has some work to do
For all those who don't live 0-60 or a 1/4 mile at a time I hope you all enjoyed the video you did not watch.
Bear, on a serious note, you seem like a reasonably successful guy. I hope you value your mental health and speak to someone professionally. You do not need to justify your car purchases on an internet forum. TBH, no one cares.
11-10-2021, 03:28 PM
#1509
I'll never knock the TLX-S for being ugly (it's a handsome car), but 98% of people who aren't car enthusiasts aren't going to take a second look at a TLX-S either. Hell, they don't even know the difference between a regular 3-series and an M3, even with the giant pig-snout it has now. Most people just see the badge and that's it.
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11-10-2021, 03:40 PM
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I'll never knock the TLX-S for being ugly (it's a handsome car), but 98% of people who aren't car enthusiasts aren't going to take a second look at a TLX-S either. Hell, they don't even know the difference between a regular 3-series and an M3, even with the giant pig-snout it has now. Most people just see the badge and that's it.
11-10-2021, 04:09 PM
#1512
Not sure if this was posted already. The car should be in 11's with a tune. If you are not satisfied with those numbers just buy something else.
https://youtu.be/Zw5-BZmUChw
https://youtu.be/Zw5-BZmUChw
11-10-2021, 05:23 PM
#1513
Before going to any dealership, check this video He is providing numbers and facts and not he said or she said!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eJ0x16oRLns
He is providing numbers and facts and not he said or she said!https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eJ0x16oRLns
11-10-2021, 06:20 PM
#1514
Depreciation will always be higher (at least dollar wise) on high priced cars as a rule. My tlx aspec lost went down about 37% from what I paid when I traded it in. However the S5 i bought with less miles was discounted 37% from sticker and was a CPO. I added a 5 year extended warranty for another $2400. I don't lease but when buying a car that is close to 70k new better to go the CPO route. Of course now everything goes out the window as prices are distorted. Reliability is pretty good with the German cars. Maintenance will cost more but it's not like that is a hidden thing. It's expected.
High maintenance cost should be expected. The problem is that many people stretching to squeeze a payment into their budget are barely considering insurance costs let alone the cost of maintenance. People buying used German nameplates are too often buying into perceived prestige just to be punched between the eyes the moment something needs to be serviced or repaired.
11-10-2021, 06:22 PM
#1515
My A-Spec gets confused for a faster car all the time. LOL!
11-10-2021, 06:57 PM
#1516
Burning Brakes
1) It's a TV show, so you know it's a TV which is created right? There's alot of realism in that show but also alot of made up drama too. Best part of Silicon Valley is the beginning which has dozens of tech company easter eggs all through it.
2) It's not a fact, it's just your perceived reality
3) To give you a reference to your statement
McLaren sold ~2.3k cars in the whole US in 2019, Ferrari sold ~2.9k, Lamborghini sold ~2.3k to imply "they're all beater commute car may be a Porche Cayenne GTS and their weekend cars are McLaren's or something I see it all the time" again is just your perceived reality since they're are as you say 200k millionaire out there. Are there exotics in Silicon Valley? Yeah, but there's also alot in LA and Miami.
4) There's no "new fascination is with thinking the Rich are all like Warren Buffet" it's just simply not as you believe it is. The biggest common denominator I've seen from highly successful tech folks from Vinod Khosla to Elon Musk is they're highly driven to the "The New New Thing" (which BTW is a great book by Michael Lewis, highly recommended). From my observation most of the tech leaders and many workers thrive for creating the next big thing, to many that is a extremely satisfying thing. Houses, jets, cars are nice no doubt but the drive to push tech forward is the end game.
2) It's not a fact, it's just your perceived reality
3) To give you a reference to your statement
McLaren sold ~2.3k cars in the whole US in 2019, Ferrari sold ~2.9k, Lamborghini sold ~2.3k to imply "they're all beater commute car may be a Porche Cayenne GTS and their weekend cars are McLaren's or something I see it all the time" again is just your perceived reality since they're are as you say 200k millionaire out there. Are there exotics in Silicon Valley? Yeah, but there's also alot in LA and Miami.
4) There's no "new fascination is with thinking the Rich are all like Warren Buffet" it's just simply not as you believe it is. The biggest common denominator I've seen from highly successful tech folks from Vinod Khosla to Elon Musk is they're highly driven to the "The New New Thing" (which BTW is a great book by Michael Lewis, highly recommended). From my observation most of the tech leaders and many workers thrive for creating the next big thing, to many that is a extremely satisfying thing. Houses, jets, cars are nice no doubt but the drive to push tech forward is the end game.
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11-10-2021, 06:58 PM
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Burning Brakes
Before going to any dealership, check this video He is providing numbers and facts and not he said or she said!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eJ0x16oRLns
He is providing numbers and facts and not he said or she said!https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eJ0x16oRLns
11-10-2021, 06:58 PM
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Burning Brakes
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11-10-2021, 07:13 PM
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