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I think the mark up comment here is not really a valid criticism for the Type-S considering many dealers are doing mark ups on their cars not just Acura dealers.
(example there is a Honda dealer who marked up a Civic Type R $40k over the $44k MSRP see picture below
Anyone wanna buy a $85k Civic?)
There are a handful of Acura dealers who have been listed on this sub-forum who aren’t doing markups on any of their cars let alone the Type-S. So anyone paying markup obviously wasn’t willing to travel to or find and deal with a Acura dealership that isn’t charging markup.
A majority of the other comments are just personal opinions on styling and sound. At the core of it, a lot of what was said there was already discussed multiple times here. This is an Acura website, I know there are a hand full in here who are very loyal Acura fans, so I'd expect some to be upset. You can't change facts nor change how people feel about things. The new Integra turned the internet upside down. IMO, most don't like it for many reasons and don't believe it should carry the Integra name . You know it's bad when enthusiast start a change.org petition or when some DM Jon and call him out (I don't agree with). The comments made by some of those loyal Acura fans isn't much if not at all any better than some of the youtubers comments. One here stated that ones dislike is due to not being able to afford the Intergra . I don't quite understand how an opinion reflects on someone's financial well being? . I think it's safe to say many have car payments, not many have the ability to purchase vehicles out right. Food for thought.
Yea, anyone who's feelings are still hurt about what was/is being said about the TLX Type-S, mosey on over to any of the Integra reveal videos on YouTube. It's amazing how quickly the tone changed after they released the "6-speed manual" video and everyone saying it was going to be the second coming of Christ, to the actual reveal of the car and people wanting to burn Acura HQ to the ground.
Yea, anyone who's feelings are still hurt about what was/is being said about the TLX Type-S, mosey on over to any of the Integra reveal videos on YouTube. It's amazing how quickly the tone changed after they released the "6-speed manual" video and everyone saying it was going to be the second coming of Christ, to the actual reveal of the car and people wanting to burn Acura HQ to the ground.
lol, well said! Social media went crazy after the Integra reveal, and by crazy, I mean not good.
sheesh for $100k you can get a decently maintained 1st Gen NSX, or a Nissan GT-R almost get a used 2nd Gen NSX if you pony up $10k-$30k more
Yessir, and not to mention some incredibly competent cars for under that amount. M3/M4, CT5-V Blackwing, C63S, RS5, C8 Corvette, etc. That's not to say the CTR isn't an incredibly good car ... but it's great for its class and price. Once you start heaping on these ludicrous mark-ups, it just gets silly. The two main reasons I'll never own a CTR are because of the styling (although I could get over it) and the asinine mark-ups. With there still being mark-ups on the old ones, despite the new CTR right around the corner, it's safe to assume the next gen one will have mark-ups for the entirety of its production run as well. Nonsense.
Originally Posted by caLiTLX
lol, well said! Social media went crazy after the Integra reveal, and by crazy, I mean not good.
Yea, I wasn't thrilled with the look of it, but I didn't think it looked that bad. I also didn't expect it to have a much different powertrain than the current Civic ... or possibly keeping the same K24 as the ILX. I was surprised at the eruption of negative comments from the masses.
The Type-S will more than likely be the same 2.0T as the Accord ... which likely means the manual goes away (unless they borrow it from the CTR [doubtful]), and it'll be round #2 of the internet going berserk, lol. I think a lot of people are still hoping (perhaps even demanding) that the Integra Type-S be a CTR clone, but Honda has already said they're not playing nice. Type-R will be the top in performance. Type-S is simply the top-tier of each Acura model and is not allowed to compete (as far as performance) with the Type-R's from Honda.
I think the mark up comment here is not really a valid criticism for the Type-S considering many dealers are doing mark ups on their cars not just Acura dealers.
(example there is a Honda dealer who marked up a Civic Type R $40k over the $44k MSRP see picture below
Anyone wanna buy a $85k Civic?)
There are a handful of Acura dealers who have been listed on this sub-forum who aren’t doing markups on any of their cars let alone the Type-S. So anyone paying markup obviously wasn’t willing to travel to or find and deal with a Acura dealership that isn’t charging markup.
To be fair and honest, who knows when that person went to test drive the type-s.. He claims to get 7K off his 2021 M340i, which is valid (not currently however) so I'd assume this was when then Type-s 1st came out and before the chip shortage issue among other issues. If this was current, I agree with you as it's not valid. Yes, you are 10000% correct as Acura isn't the only brand with absurd markups. I agree with you, 85K for a civic type-r is ridiculous. But, there's always someone out there that is willing to pay for what they want.
Originally Posted by Nexx
One just sold for over 100k.
Kind of surprised but yet again with what's going on, it's expected. There's always someone out there willing to pay for what they want.
Originally Posted by leomio2.0
Yea, anyone who's feelings are still hurt about what was/is being said about the TLX Type-S, mosey on over to any of the Integra reveal videos on YouTube. It's amazing how quickly the tone changed after they released the "6-speed manual" video and everyone saying it was going to be the second coming of Christ, to the actual reveal of the car and people wanting to burn Acura HQ to the ground.
The amount of back lash towards the Intergra was mind blowing. I saw screen shots of people sending DM's to Jon's Instagram account. Not like he's going to view them, but I think that was a bit extreme.. I'm sure for most here that follow Acura/Honda FB pages or groups, saw nothing but Intergra memes and heated posts. Even to start a change.org is petty. The past is the past and we are living in a different world now, one that's shifting to full EV.
I've been super busy lately and missed the Integra feedback - why are people reacting negatively towards it?
In a nutshell, it's effectively a rebadged, Acura styled 11th gen Civic hatch....which it largely is IMO. They probably should have just named it the 'CSX' rather than something as inconic as the Integra. Seems more fitting to me.
If Acura would of just called it the redesigned ILX, I’m sure people would of been fine and backlash would of been minimal, if any. By using the Integra name, Acura had big shoes to fill which it’s clear they fell short and didn’t meet people’s expectations. As others mentioned on here, Acura has a roadmap and as much as we whine and complain, they will carry on with their plan.
If Acura would of just called it the redesigned ILX, I’m sure people would of been fine and backlash would of been minimal, if any. By using the Integra name, Acura had big shoes to fill which it’s clear they fell short and didn’t meet people’s expectations. As others mentioned on here, Acura has a roadmap and as much as we whine and complain, they will carry on with their plan.
At this point, I'm pretty sure Acura Marketing is just trolling all of us ...
If Acura would of just called it the redesigned ILX, I’m sure people would of been fine and backlash would of been minimal, if any. By using the Integra name, Acura had big shoes to fill which it’s clear they fell short and didn’t meet people’s expectations. As others mentioned on here, Acura has a roadmap and as much as we whine and complain, they will carry on with their plan.
I think if they called it the ILX, people would bitch about how it went up from $25K to $30K. Ignoring the fact that this is a massive quantum leap over the current almost-a-decade-old ILX. Same as when people bitched about the 2G TLX going up in price by $4000 while ignoring that it's a replacement for the V6 and not the I4.
I can understand Acura wanting to get away from the ILX name. There's not much positive brand equity built into it, and frankly the only redeeming quality about the car is the low low price.
Hence another reason why they should have just gone with CSX. While it's a blast from the past for Cannucks, most Yanks have no clue of the former rebadge...might as well bring it back for the new rebadge.
!!! That's $10K over what I paid for the 2022 M550i (with custom paint, upholstery and dash from the M Studio) that I ordered.!!!
At least $8,000 over the M4C convertible. These guys are insane. Only one more insane is the one that buys it. Along those lines the new Z06 is starting with some dealers at $50,000 over MSPR. One dealer is selling the #1 slot on their allocation list by by competitive bid.
The Corvette Z06 GT3.R non street legal track day car will go on sale to the public, with a lot of money, as a 2024. No price yet but turnkey GT3 race cars from brands like Porsche, Mercedes-Benz and Lamborghini typically run in the $500,000 range.
The amount of back lash towards the Intergra was mind blowing. I saw screen shots of people sending DM's to Jon's Instagram account. Not like he's going to view them, but I think that was a bit extreme.. I'm sure for most here that follow Acura/Honda FB pages or groups, saw nothing but Intergra memes and heated posts. Even to start a change.org is petty. The past is the past and we are living in a different world now, one that's shifting to full EV.
They are mad for good reason. The car looks wise is pretty bad. You would think after like 20 years or whatever it's been they could have done a lot better. Not sure why anyone would opt for an integra over a civic.
They are mad for good reason. The car looks wise is pretty bad. You would think after like 20 years or whatever it's been they could have done a lot better. Not sure why anyone would opt for an integra over a civic.
I agree with them. I'm not too thrilled about it as well. It's the biggest F-You to not only Acura fans but in general.. As caLiTLX mentioned, he is 10000% correct. Acura had BIG shoes to fill by using the Intergra name. They were better off saying it's the new ILX. A lot of defenders (of the Intergra) keep saying "It's just a concept" but we all know how concepts end up.. Just hope they don't start a new trend with body color exhaust tips. Reality is, this will replace the ILX and if sales for the ILX are as strong as they are, this will sale well.
I agree with them. I'm not too thrilled about it as well. It's the biggest F-You to not only Acura fans but in general.. As caLiTLX mentioned, he is 10000% correct. Acura had BIG shoes to fill by using the Intergra name. They were better off saying it's the new ILX. A lot of defenders (of the Intergra) keep saying "It's just a concept" but we all know how concepts end up.. Just hope they don't start a new trend with body color exhaust tips. Reality is, this will replace the ILX and if sales for the ILX are as strong as they are, this will sale well.
But but but, Ikeda said this is not the replacement for the ILX. He said so! He said so!
They should've called it the ILX or CSX, and if they decide to release a 2dr hatch version, then they can call it it the Integra.
Having said that, if they do release a Type S with a CTR 2.0T + SH-AWD, then I might be willing to overlook the bloaty A pillar and the not so sporty liftback look
I think they maximized sportiness (look) on the TLX 2.0 and got called out for it, so now they are trying to maximize interior space on this "Integra"
I think they maximized sportiness (look) on the TLX 2.0 and got called out for it, so now they are trying to maximize interior space on this "Integra"
You give Acura too much credit. This Integra look has been in development shortly after the current gen Civic prototype (i.e. no time for Acura to react to TLX criticism).
You give Acura too much credit. This Integra look has been in development shortly after the current gen Civic prototype (i.e. no time for Acura to react to TLX criticism).
Possibly, but you are also assuming that no one internally at Acura thought the TLX interior was too small compared to its exterior dimensions before the car was released.
Possibly, but you are also assuming that no one internally at Acura thought the TLX interior was too small compared to its exterior dimensions before the car was released.
Odds are strong that the Integra design was hatched long before the TLX went on sale. They’re pitching the Integra as performance lite with utility. I’ve no doubt it was designed as a CUV alternative for the younger buyer demographic. Similar styling cues as the TLX. I’m in the minority that thinks it’s a good looking design that will definitely dress up well.
Something seems off with the proportions on the new Integra. Side profile does not look good at all. I wouldnt be buying one in any case as Im not interested in downsizing. In my opinion the current ILX is a nicer looking vehicle.
Something seems off with the proportions on the new Integra. Side profile does not look good at all. I wouldnt be buying one in any case as Im not interested in downsizing. In my opinion the current ILX is a nicer looking vehicle.
Something seems off with the proportions on the new Integra. Side profile does not look good at all. I wouldnt be buying one in any case as Im not interested in downsizing. In my opinion the current ILX is a nicer looking vehicle.
In my opinion, the cabin looks too tall and the windshield angle is too steep. If the cabin's roofline were lowered and the windshield angle were shallower as a result, I think the proportions would be better. However, interior space would be cut down pretty badly in that case unless Acura went the way they did with the TLX and made the car longer, but then the Integra would be a larger vehicle than it should be and many think it's too big with this latest iteration to begin with.
I personally don't mind the looks. I've found that it looks better in the videos I've seen of it than pictures, which makes me think I'll probably like it better seeing it in person (which has been the case with most cars for me at least). Like you though, I'm not interested in downsizing any time soon (especially with two kids). Funny thing though is that the Integra may have just as much, if not more, interior space than the TLX. I haven't compared dimensions of the new Honda Civic hatch vs. the TLX though so I have no idea, I just know that the TLX doesn't have much interior space relative to its exterior dimensions.
I personally think the new Integra doesn't look great! Also, Acura should not have used the name Integra. Called ILX and that's it! I think the Integra fans are really disappointed along with others. But let's wait and see.
Something seems off with the proportions on the new Integra. Side profile does not look good at all. I wouldnt be buying one in any case as Im not interested in downsizing. In my opinion the current ILX is a nicer looking vehicle.
I think the current ILX looks sharp - especially in person.
Possibly, but you are also assuming that no one internally at Acura thought the TLX interior was too small compared to its exterior dimensions before the car was released.
Meh - that's overblown by a handful of trolls on AZ and a few YouTube reviewers. I'll eat my shorts if the average bloke goes to an Acura dealer and looks the the TLX and thinks "Boy - it's big on the outside and small on the inside..."
Meh - that's overblown by a handful of trolls on AZ and a few YouTube reviewers. I'll eat my shorts if the average bloke goes to an Acura dealer and looks the the TLX and thinks "Boy - it's big on the outside and small on the inside..."
I think the current ILX looks sharp - especially in person.
I like the front three quarters of the ILX. From the rear quarter panels back I think it’s meh. I have though always felt that it wouldn’t take much to smooth out the portions I didn’t like to make it into a really good looking vehicle. But, the current interior hell no. Lol
Meh - that's overblown by a handful of trolls on AZ and a few YouTube reviewers. I'll eat my shorts if the average bloke goes to an Acura dealer and looks the the TLX and thinks "Boy - it's big on the outside and small on the inside..."
All that clamor from some folks about who you can’t sit in the back is just noise. Funny you don’t hear much complaining about rear seat room in the IS350 or G70. Other cars in the class have marginally more room. What’s rarely noted is that the size of the car allows for front seat shoulder room that the competitors can’t match. My buddy and I are both around 6’ 200lbs. When we’re both in the car there has to be about 12’” of space between my right and his left shoulder. Additionally the front seat tracks go further back than any car I’ve owned. I love it. About the back seat, I’ve had the car 13 months and I’ve not yet had reason to put anyone back there.
I've said here that the TLX doesn't have much interior space considering its external size, because I think that's true, but I also agree that it's been overblown. It's not that bad.
I can fit two kids + two adults and all their stuff for a long weekend trip without issue in the TLX. Everyone's use cases will be different though, as will their heights and body proportions, but as with any vehicle, you'll just have to check it out yourself and see if it works for you. I think though the TLX would work for more people space-wise than reviews might indicate.
I've said here that the TLX doesn't have much interior space considering its external size, because I think that's true, but I also agree that it's been overblown. It's not that bad.
I can fit two kids + two adults and all their stuff for a long weekend trip without issue in the TLX. Everyone's use cases will be different though, as will their heights and body proportions, but as with any vehicle, you'll just have to check it out yourself and see if it works for you. I think though the TLX would work for more people space-wise than reviews might indicate.
As much as we love to analyze and critique Acura for the design choices they make - in this instance I don't see the issue. Frankly they know that sedan sales (for every brand) are dead compared to SUV's. They know that people with families will almost all be looking at the RDX or MDX. As such if they lose a handful of TLX sales because someone can't get their car seat in the way they want it - it's not a big deal. Meanwhile they designed a sharp looking car (we're almost all in agreement there) and that's certainly a factor for those who are buying sedans.
I spent some time in mine this morning (working from home I can go a week without driving it as my wife prefers the Pilot because it's easier to get in and out of) and enjoyed every second! One of these days I'll get around to doing a proper write up on it.
As much as we love to analyze and critique Acura for the design choices they make - in this instance I don't see the issue. Frankly they know that sedan sales (for every brand) are dead compared to SUV's. They know that people with families will almost all be looking at the RDX or MDX. As such if they lose a handful of TLX sales because someone can't get their car seat in the way they want it - it's not a big deal. Meanwhile they designed a sharp looking car (we're almost all in agreement there) and that's certainly a factor for those who are buying sedans.
I spent some time in mine this morning (working from home I can go a week without driving it as my wife prefers the Pilot because it's easier to get in and out of) and enjoyed every second! One of these days I'll get around to doing a proper write up on it.
If people aren't regularly using the back seats, wouldn't a coupe version be even better? I'd certainly prefer that body style to a sedan if I rarely had to use the back. Why go halfway with a sedan that compromises utility for style when you could go all the way?
If people aren't regularly using the back seats, wouldn't a coupe version be even better? I'd certainly prefer that body style to a sedan if I rarely had to use the back. Why go halfway with a sedan that compromises utility for style when you could go all the way?
on the rare occasion I do have a rear passenger the rear doors do come in very handy. I couldnt imagine my 6'3 father in law who just turned 65 getting in and out of the back seats of a coupe. though my 3 year old rarely rides in my TLX, I dont think I want to deal with getting her in and out of car seat in a coupe. I also do not care for coupe designs any longer unless its a pure sports cars.
If people aren't regularly using the back seats, wouldn't a coupe version be even better? I'd certainly prefer that body style to a sedan if I rarely had to use the back. Why go halfway with a sedan that compromises utility for style when you could go all the way?
I take my dogs in mine (had one in the backseat today in his crate) and a coupe would be a non-starter. Plus - as Nexx said - it's not like it's non-functional.
That said - would people buy a coupe more than a 4 door today? I really don't know if it matters much beyond a small group of people.
My wife and I transport our two kids (ages 14 and 11) to school in my TLX each morning and neither one have complained about the room in the backseat. Granted, my 14 y/o would rather ride in the MDX; but, she feels that way even if she were in the front as she has my wife's mindset that every passenger car should be an SUV.
11-16-2021, 02:46 PM
see picture below
. You know it's bad when enthusiast start a change.org petition or when some DM Jon and call him out (I don't agree with). The comments made by some of those loyal Acura fans isn't much if not at all any better than some of the youtubers comments. One here stated that ones dislike is due to not being able to afford the Intergra 
. I don't quite understand how an opinion reflects on someone's financial well being? 
. I think it's safe to say many have car payments, not many have the ability to purchase vehicles out right. Food for thought. 
