2011 new generation TL
#82
I respectfully and fully disagree with this.
It isn't not wanting change, it's that a lot of people just think it's UGLY. I'm sorry so many 4G owners/fans don't get this but it's the TRUTH. LOTS of people think it's ugly. And many of those people are owners of other Acuras (including the previous TL) as well as other potential buyers you have been turned off by their styling direction.
As a final note on that topic I can tell you there are reasons other than just styling that have turned buyers away as well.
MT comparison aside, I don't see a drop of the TL that's like the Lacrosse. The Lacrosse's lights front and back are different, the grille, bumpers, exhaust tips, window trim, window line, EVERYTHING seems different. Same goes for the interior. And not only does its character line look NOTHING like the Charger, it's borrowed from classic Buicks. Maybe it's the Charger that's doing some copying (keeping in mind again they look NOTHING alike, but if they did....).
I could also say it's closed minded to not want to pull "up" in a car with a brand symbol that "hasn't arrived".
It isn't not wanting change, it's that a lot of people just think it's UGLY. I'm sorry so many 4G owners/fans don't get this but it's the TRUTH. LOTS of people think it's ugly. And many of those people are owners of other Acuras (including the previous TL) as well as other potential buyers you have been turned off by their styling direction.
As a final note on that topic I can tell you there are reasons other than just styling that have turned buyers away as well.
MT comparison aside, I don't see a drop of the TL that's like the Lacrosse. The Lacrosse's lights front and back are different, the grille, bumpers, exhaust tips, window trim, window line, EVERYTHING seems different. Same goes for the interior. And not only does its character line look NOTHING like the Charger, it's borrowed from classic Buicks. Maybe it's the Charger that's doing some copying (keeping in mind again they look NOTHING alike, but if they did....).
I could also say it's closed minded to not want to pull "up" in a car with a brand symbol that "hasn't arrived".
#83
Racer
I talked to someone from Acura management today and I was told that he heard today that there would be no major changes in appearance of the TL until 2012. I don't how accurate this is but the guy that told me is from Acura management, he's the real deal.
#84
I respectfully and fully disagree with this.
It isn't not wanting change, it's that a lot of people just think it's UGLY. I'm sorry so many 4G owners/fans don't get this but it's the TRUTH. LOTS of people think it's ugly. And many of those people are owners of other Acuras (including the previous TL) as well as other potential buyers you have been turned off by their styling direction.
As a final note on that topic I can tell you there are reasons other than just styling that have turned buyers away as well.
It isn't not wanting change, it's that a lot of people just think it's UGLY. I'm sorry so many 4G owners/fans don't get this but it's the TRUTH. LOTS of people think it's ugly. And many of those people are owners of other Acuras (including the previous TL) as well as other potential buyers you have been turned off by their styling direction.
As a final note on that topic I can tell you there are reasons other than just styling that have turned buyers away as well.
#85
Mademoiselle Chanel!!
Really...........?
I don't like the new TL because I'm close minded and don't like change, hmm..
Thanks for telling us how we feel, kudos to you folks who like the new design as you are definitely in the minority which reflects Acura's current sales numbers, all the folks who don't care for it are all closed minded I guess.
I hope Acura changes the design of the TL, it's a great car but still can't deal with the design.
I don't think the LaCross is so different from the TL in AWD form, I still think it looks better IMHO, however I still wouldn't buy one.
I don't like the new TL because I'm close minded and don't like change, hmm..
Thanks for telling us how we feel, kudos to you folks who like the new design as you are definitely in the minority which reflects Acura's current sales numbers, all the folks who don't care for it are all closed minded I guess.
I hope Acura changes the design of the TL, it's a great car but still can't deal with the design.
I don't think the LaCross is so different from the TL in AWD form, I still think it looks better IMHO, however I still wouldn't buy one.
#86
Mademoiselle Chanel!!
I respectfully and fully disagree with this.
It isn't not wanting change, it's that a lot of people just think it's UGLY. I'm sorry so many 4G owners/fans don't get this but it's the TRUTH. LOTS of people think it's ugly. And many of those people are owners of other Acuras (including the previous TL) as well as other potential buyers you have been turned off by their styling direction.
As a final note on that topic I can tell you there are reasons other than just styling that have turned buyers away as well.
MT comparison aside, I don't see a drop of the TL that's like the Lacrosse. The Lacrosse's lights front and back are different, the grille, bumpers, exhaust tips, window trim, window line, EVERYTHING seems different. Same goes for the interior. And not only does its character line look NOTHING like the Charger, it's borrowed from classic Buicks. Maybe it's the Charger that's doing some copying (keeping in mind again they look NOTHING alike, but if they did....).
I could also say it's closed minded to not want to pull "up" in a car with a brand symbol that "hasn't arrived".
It isn't not wanting change, it's that a lot of people just think it's UGLY. I'm sorry so many 4G owners/fans don't get this but it's the TRUTH. LOTS of people think it's ugly. And many of those people are owners of other Acuras (including the previous TL) as well as other potential buyers you have been turned off by their styling direction.
As a final note on that topic I can tell you there are reasons other than just styling that have turned buyers away as well.
MT comparison aside, I don't see a drop of the TL that's like the Lacrosse. The Lacrosse's lights front and back are different, the grille, bumpers, exhaust tips, window trim, window line, EVERYTHING seems different. Same goes for the interior. And not only does its character line look NOTHING like the Charger, it's borrowed from classic Buicks. Maybe it's the Charger that's doing some copying (keeping in mind again they look NOTHING alike, but if they did....).
I could also say it's closed minded to not want to pull "up" in a car with a brand symbol that "hasn't arrived".
I could also say it's closed minded to not want to pull "up" in a car with a brand symbol that "hasn't arrived". We could debate this as being a followers mentality versus thinking as taking risk to be a leader. But I rather view as there is no failure in trying, but the failure is not trying.
Thanks for the entertaining chatter.
#87
I could also say it's closed minded to not want to pull "up" in a car with a brand symbol that "hasn't arrived". We could debate this as being a followers mentality versus thinking as taking risk to be a leader. But I rather view as there is no failure in trying, but the failure is not trying.
Thanks for the entertaining chatter.
Thanks for the entertaining chatter.
#88
Mademoiselle Chanel!!
it was even mention by another person who viewed the pictures. We were speaking about the rear bulge/flare on the rear quarter of the car and other shots from other angles. It really took design from the Lexus GS
and you have a right to your opinion, but you just seem to have major issues when others have and express theirs. That's the reason for my replies. The line you didn't understand was one of your own post. Have a good day.
#89
Nope nothing alike. It even goes the length of the car, which the Charger's doesn't. To the average passerby they might call that similar, but any car enthusiast or "free lance artist" knows better.
And thanks for putting the two side by side so we can see Lacrosses and Chargers look NOTHING alike.
Now compared to the GS....
And thanks for putting the two side by side so we can see Lacrosses and Chargers look NOTHING alike.
Now compared to the GS....
#90
Mademoiselle Chanel!!
Nope nothing alike. It even goes the length of the car, which the Charger's doesn't. To the average passerby they might call that similar, but any car enthusiast or "free lance artist" knows better.
And thanks for putting the two side by side so we can see Lacrosses and Chargers look NOTHING alike.
Now compared to the GS....
And thanks for putting the two side by side so we can see Lacrosses and Chargers look NOTHING alike.
Now compared to the GS....
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#92
Mademoiselle Chanel!!
#93
I was talking to one of the managers at an Acura branch. He said that the plan is to offer some type of snap on piece that would change the appearance of the grill on the newer models. He also said that the front end and the tail are 3G customers main complaints when he talks about trying to get them to upgrade. Personally on silver I think the grill looks ok, not so much on the other colors.
#94
Just an anecdote....came out of Radio Shack last night after pre-ordering an iPhone. Two guys, probably mid 20s in suits, were ogling my car. As I approached, one asked...."your car?".
"Yep"!
"That's 'badass'!
Other guy...."I love the new TLs".
Let them look inside after I opened it....
"Love it even more" the last guy said.
I thanked them and took off.
Said it before. I think most who have issues with the 4G TL must reside on these boards. I've yet to hear anything but unsolicited "thumbs up" regarding mine from the general public.
"Yep"!
"That's 'badass'!
Other guy...."I love the new TLs".
Let them look inside after I opened it....
"Love it even more" the last guy said.
I thanked them and took off.
Said it before. I think most who have issues with the 4G TL must reside on these boards. I've yet to hear anything but unsolicited "thumbs up" regarding mine from the general public.
#95
Back From The dead
But I think the difference is, no one is just going to walk up in person and say " God that's an ugly car".
The internet allows people to do and say things that they wouldn't normally do in person.
The internet allows people to do and say things that they wouldn't normally do in person.
#96
Mademoiselle Chanel!!
When I restate something that has been stated by the trigger pullers at the corporate level it's a little more than speculation, it's a statement of fact. They may flip their direction from where it is now, but the current plans for the future of Acura don't involve V8's or NSX replacements, they involve hybrids and station wagons and an entry level vehicle to be priced under the TSX. I'm sorry if you feel that my posts are attacking you personally, they are not. My posts are just information about the current direction of the manufacturer based on information provided by the manufacturer.
And I noticed you are a DeadSuX fan...lifelong Yankees fan here. So I see how you can't grasp what I'm getting at(I'm just kidding)
#97
Mademoiselle Chanel!!
Just an anecdote....came out of Radio Shack last night after pre-ordering an iPhone. Two guys, probably mid 20s in suits, were ogling my car. As I approached, one asked...."your car?".
"Yep"!
"That's 'badass'!
Other guy...."I love the new TLs".
Let them look inside after I opened it....
"Love it even more" the last guy said.
I thanked them and took off.
Said it before. I think most who have issues with the 4G TL must reside on these boards. I've yet to hear anything but unsolicited "thumbs up" regarding mine from the general public.
"Yep"!
"That's 'badass'!
Other guy...."I love the new TLs".
Let them look inside after I opened it....
"Love it even more" the last guy said.
I thanked them and took off.
Said it before. I think most who have issues with the 4G TL must reside on these boards. I've yet to hear anything but unsolicited "thumbs up" regarding mine from the general public.
#98
Mademoiselle Chanel!!
I now some brutally honest folks, a friend of mine who owns a new Camaro doesn't like the grill and that's all good. He doesn't like his cars grill nor the fake air intakes. I think it's all about tact, not everyone has it.
#99
The internet allows people to do and say things that they wouldn't normally do in person."
He's right, and anyone who likes the 4G that doesn't believe that lots of people HATE the new 4G look (including TL owners, Acura owners, Honda owners, and loyalists to those brands) is absolutely KIDDING themself. I don't even "hate" the look myself, but I'm not lying to myself either. Clearly it's even affected sales.
#100
Trolling Canuckistan
"But I think the difference is, no one is just going to walk up in person and say " God that's an ugly car".
The internet allows people to do and say things that they wouldn't normally do in person."
He's right, and anyone who likes the 4G that doesn't believe that lots of people HATE the new 4G look (including TL owners, Acura owners, Honda owners, and loyalists to those brands) is absolutely KIDDING themself. I don't even "hate" the look myself, but I'm not lying to myself either. Clearly it's even affected sales.
The internet allows people to do and say things that they wouldn't normally do in person."
He's right, and anyone who likes the 4G that doesn't believe that lots of people HATE the new 4G look (including TL owners, Acura owners, Honda owners, and loyalists to those brands) is absolutely KIDDING themself. I don't even "hate" the look myself, but I'm not lying to myself either. Clearly it's even affected sales.
This really isn't anything new, many 1st gen RL owners hated the 2nd gen when it came out. Lots of Integra owners weren't thrilled about the RSX (especially 4 door integra owners). Lot's of 1st gen MDX owners hated the 2nd gen MDX styling. There were 2nd Gen TL owners that had issues with the 3rd gen when it arrived although those issues were more about ride quality than exterior styling. The big difference this time is it seems more widespread than in the past but the 4th gen TL is really one of the more radically styled Acuras that has been offered to us so that doesn't really surprise me.
#101
The 4th Gen TL is an intersting case. The majority of 3rd gen TL owners hate it, some like it. Funny thing about it though is as polarizing as the design has been, it has brought many new customers to Acura who had not owned an Acura before. In the end it's probably a wash between the conquest customers they get vs the 3rd gen owners they lose.
This really isn't anything new, many 1st gen RL owners hated the 2nd gen when it came out. Lots of Integra owners weren't thrilled about the RSX (especially 4 door integra owners). Lot's of 1st gen MDX owners hated the 2nd gen MDX styling. There were 2nd Gen TL owners that had issues with the 3rd gen when it arrived although those issues were more about ride quality than exterior styling. The big difference this time is it seems more widespread than in the past but the 4th gen TL is really one of the more radically styled Acuras that has been offered to us so that doesn't really surprise me.
This really isn't anything new, many 1st gen RL owners hated the 2nd gen when it came out. Lots of Integra owners weren't thrilled about the RSX (especially 4 door integra owners). Lot's of 1st gen MDX owners hated the 2nd gen MDX styling. There were 2nd Gen TL owners that had issues with the 3rd gen when it arrived although those issues were more about ride quality than exterior styling. The big difference this time is it seems more widespread than in the past but the 4th gen TL is really one of the more radically styled Acuras that has been offered to us so that doesn't really surprise me.
#102
This is what I mean. The 3-Series used to be the only entry luxury four door that outsold the TL. Nowadays....
3 series-9,659
ES-5,115
C class-5,089
A4+A5=4,946
G37 both-4,777
CTS-3,489
IS-3,247
A4-3,189
G37-3,372
TL-2,925
MKZ-2,040
3 series-9,659
ES-5,115
C class-5,089
A4+A5=4,946
G37 both-4,777
CTS-3,489
IS-3,247
A4-3,189
G37-3,372
TL-2,925
MKZ-2,040
#103
I feel you man. The hate is from these non 4G owners infiltrating the site. Hate mongers. It's all good, the kids in the neighborhood keep saying I have the flyest car in the hood. My UPS and FEDEX guys give it praise, so does the mailman, the sanitation folks like it and the lead engineers where I work keep asking me to pop the hood, let them look inside or give them a ride.
None of us who said we did not like the styling on the 4G TL never said that there are not people who like the new design. People such as yourself, and others have commented that they like the design and that's absolutely fine. With any car, there are going to be people who like it and others who don't, that is just the way it is. If not, everyone on the planet would be driving around in the exact same vehicle.
But the guy before is right, no one is ever going to come up to you in any public place and tell you to your face that they dislike your car and think it is ugly! No matter what car people have, no one is ever going to do that, unless they have some sort of mental or psychological disorder.
Take my new 2010 Maxima for instance. Like you and graphic, I have had many people stare and actually come up to me at the supermarket, at home, at the gas station, etc complementing me on the style and power of the car and how much it looks like an Infiniti and if I like it because they are interested in getting one. No one has ever come up to me and said that they hate my car and think the new body style is ugly but I know from reading online and others places that not everyone likes the new body style and think it looks odd in places and I can accept that, though I disagree with that opinion. The new Maxima is not everyone's cup of tea, but I absolutely love it and its body style.
This same situation with the new Maxima can be applied to the new 4G TL. Not everyone likes the new styling and you just have to accept that. That doesn't mean its an absolutely terrible car and that no one likes it, because you all are examples of people who like it and that fine. But if you can't accept there are many people who do not like the new styling then your just deluding yourselves.
#104
Trolling Canuckistan
My reference to the those how dislike the 4th gen is really dislike of the beak, I didn't mention that in my other post. I don't hear any complaints from the general public about the overhangs, that's more of an enthusiast only complaint. My personal opinion on the "signature grill" is that it isn't bad in general but I feel that the application on the TL was poor. I like it on the TSX, the big difference between the 2 is the TL beak continues on to the hood where the TSX (and the rest of the line up) confine the grill to below the hood. Little details, big difference.
#105
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If you examine the nose of the TL, you'll see that any kind of re-tooling to change the appearance of the car is going to be very expensive and anybody who undertakes such a re-design is going to be in an unenviable position.
#106
My reference to the those how dislike the 4th gen is really dislike of the beak, I didn't mention that in my other post. I don't hear any complaints from the general public about the overhangs, that's more of an enthusiast only complaint. My personal opinion on the "signature grill" is that it isn't bad in general but I feel that the application on the TL was poor. I like it on the TSX, the big difference between the 2 is the TL beak continues on to the hood where the TSX (and the rest of the line up) confine the grill to below the hood. Little details, big difference.
#107
Instructor
So I was at a McDonalds Drive through waiting in line....a dude walks up in front of me and approaches my driver side window and just raves about my car while talking on the cell phone to his buddy! I proceed to tell him about the car a little bit (grigio 2010)...
Im living proof that the general public loves this car's styling. JK.
Im also one of those who didnt like the look initially and really love it now. It's a very bold departure from the nice body style of the 3G and I think that is why I was so disappointed...but then once I got over that and really absorbed their design of the 4g, I was hooked. I also went from loving the grigio, to second guessing the color once I saw more and more nice pics of the palladium, white, metallic, and black....to really really loving it again.
Ive read some reviews about steering, and some experts have described it as "vague steering"...anyone know what that means? is it floaty or something?
Im living proof that the general public loves this car's styling. JK.
Im also one of those who didnt like the look initially and really love it now. It's a very bold departure from the nice body style of the 3G and I think that is why I was so disappointed...but then once I got over that and really absorbed their design of the 4g, I was hooked. I also went from loving the grigio, to second guessing the color once I saw more and more nice pics of the palladium, white, metallic, and black....to really really loving it again.
Ive read some reviews about steering, and some experts have described it as "vague steering"...anyone know what that means? is it floaty or something?
#108
Senior Moderator
Vague steering refers to a slight rubbery feeling when small inputs to the steering wheel do not result in immediate changes at the front wheels. Perhaps the car wanders and requires constant correction. Loose rather than tight. Mushy.
The other exteme would be a twitchy or nervous steering when small movements of the steering wheel result in immediate and sometimes exaggerated movement of the front wheels.
BMW has figured out what the perfect balance between the two is.
The other exteme would be a twitchy or nervous steering when small movements of the steering wheel result in immediate and sometimes exaggerated movement of the front wheels.
BMW has figured out what the perfect balance between the two is.
#109
Mademoiselle Chanel!!
So I was at a McDonalds Drive through waiting in line....a dude walks up in front of me and approaches my driver side window and just raves about my car while talking on the cell phone to his buddy! I proceed to tell him about the car a little bit (grigio 2010)...
Im living proof that the general public loves this car's styling. JK.
Im also one of those who didnt like the look initially and really love it now. It's a very bold departure from the nice body style of the 3G and I think that is why I was so disappointed...but then once I got over that and really absorbed their design of the 4g, I was hooked. I also went from loving the grigio, to second guessing the color once I saw more and more nice pics of the palladium, white, metallic, and black....to really really loving it again.
Ive read some reviews about steering, and some experts have described it as "vague steering"...anyone know what that means? is it floaty or something?
Im living proof that the general public loves this car's styling. JK.
Im also one of those who didnt like the look initially and really love it now. It's a very bold departure from the nice body style of the 3G and I think that is why I was so disappointed...but then once I got over that and really absorbed their design of the 4g, I was hooked. I also went from loving the grigio, to second guessing the color once I saw more and more nice pics of the palladium, white, metallic, and black....to really really loving it again.
Ive read some reviews about steering, and some experts have described it as "vague steering"...anyone know what that means? is it floaty or something?
I'm feeling the Grigio paint job...looks different in the sun, shade, cloudy days, and at night.
The look of the TL, if you like it and write about be prepared for the onslaught from the non-TL owners, you just can't have a positive opinion of your own car, IMO.
#110
It really goes both ways, but someone cannot call people closed minded and then say they themselves aren't allowed to have a positive opinion.
#111
Mademoiselle Chanel!!
On the contrary if you don't like the TL on here the 4G owners come out in full force calling us "closed minded" and "old school", or my favorite one, a "hater".
It really goes both ways, but someone cannot call people closed minded and then say they themselves aren't allowed to have a positive opinion.
It really goes both ways, but someone cannot call people closed minded and then say they themselves aren't allowed to have a positive opinion.
They say a hit dog will holler...
#112
Mademoiselle Chanel!!
Re-read some of you and your cohorts post...practice what you preach. I already went ask what I said I wasn't going to do, reply to "non-4G TL" owners. I'm done with the issue.
#113
Burning Brakes
From a designer's perspective mixed with the eye of a freelance artist... I see things a bit differently. Art is subjective and so many will have different views and opinions...no sweat.
But I rather view as there is no failure in trying, but the failure is not trying.
But I rather view as there is no failure in trying, but the failure is not trying.
#114
Senior Moderator
I am optimistic that the tone of these postings will self-correct without moderator intervention.
Keep on topic and debate the message, not the messengers. IOW: don't get personal.
But you already know that. You're Acura people.
Keep on topic and debate the message, not the messengers. IOW: don't get personal.
But you already know that. You're Acura people.
#115
Mademoiselle Chanel!!
I'm done with the issue and will not engage in this debate again.
#116
Three Wheelin'
Changes for 2011
I agree with many on the board that say "the beak" itself is not the problem; it's the fact that it protrudes onto the hood of the TL. IMO, the TSX and MDX look great with "the beak" because their grilles are below the hoodline.
That being said, I'd like to see Acura keep the beak for 2011 but remove the top "frame" portion of the beak that protrudes onto the hood.
I know it sounds trivial to current 4G owners, but I would be much more interested in the TL if it looked like below (a couple PS jobs I made a while back)...
PLEASE Acura PLEASE
That being said, I'd like to see Acura keep the beak for 2011 but remove the top "frame" portion of the beak that protrudes onto the hood.
I know it sounds trivial to current 4G owners, but I would be much more interested in the TL if it looked like below (a couple PS jobs I made a while back)...
PLEASE Acura PLEASE
#118
Mademoiselle Chanel!!
I agree with many on the board that say "the beak" itself is not the problem; it's the fact that it protrudes onto the hood of the TL. IMO, the TSX and MDX look great with "the beak" because their grilles are below the hoodline.
That being said, I'd like to see Acura keep the beak for 2011 but remove the top "frame" portion of the beak that protrudes onto the hood.
I know it sounds trivial to current 4G owners, but I would be much more interested in the TL if it looked like below (a couple PS jobs I made a while back)...
PLEASE Acura PLEASE
That being said, I'd like to see Acura keep the beak for 2011 but remove the top "frame" portion of the beak that protrudes onto the hood.
I know it sounds trivial to current 4G owners, but I would be much more interested in the TL if it looked like below (a couple PS jobs I made a while back)...
PLEASE Acura PLEASE
You know you're on to something man.
#119
Straight from Temple of VTEC today, FWIW:
# TL A 6MT version of the TL SH-AWD was quietly introduced last year. It's a brilliant performer but so are many of its closest competitors. No significant changes are expected in 2011, as the MMC is due in 2012. When the MMC comes, a 6AT will very likely become the standard transmission, and styling tweaks are almost a certainty.
Summary: No major changes for 2011
Watch For: 6AT and styling tweaks expected at the MMC next year.
Available: Autumn
# TL A 6MT version of the TL SH-AWD was quietly introduced last year. It's a brilliant performer but so are many of its closest competitors. No significant changes are expected in 2011, as the MMC is due in 2012. When the MMC comes, a 6AT will very likely become the standard transmission, and styling tweaks are almost a certainty.
Summary: No major changes for 2011
Watch For: 6AT and styling tweaks expected at the MMC next year.
Available: Autumn
#120
Drifting
Do you really think that many people make a decision on what car to buy based on the number of speeds their A/T has? With the exception of people on this board (and others like it), 90-95% of people wouldn't know a transmission from a dipstick.