2009 Acura TL/CL Type-S-Merged Threads-All 2009 topics will be merged here
10-05-2007, 04:58 AM
#481
No more touch navi.
It will be in the upper side of the console, as the new one in the MDX, with the Acura RL, Honda Accord - Audi like "MMI" joystick.
The base price of the 4 G. TL cannot grow up too much over the current 33-34 th dollars.
It means that the Sh-AWD and the Navi will be optionals.
If the Sh-AWD is an optional it means that the 3.5 cannot get 300 h.p.
Than we get 2 engines.
An entry one 3.5, with a 5 speed aut.Tras.., and the same torque steer of the 3G.
A sporty one, 3.7 maybe, 6 spped Auto., 300hp+ and Navi standard for about... 40-42 th. bucks??
It will be in the upper side of the console, as the new one in the MDX, with the Acura RL, Honda Accord - Audi like "MMI" joystick.
The base price of the 4 G. TL cannot grow up too much over the current 33-34 th dollars.
It means that the Sh-AWD and the Navi will be optionals.
If the Sh-AWD is an optional it means that the 3.5 cannot get 300 h.p.
Than we get 2 engines.
An entry one 3.5, with a 5 speed aut.Tras.., and the same torque steer of the 3G.
A sporty one, 3.7 maybe, 6 spped Auto., 300hp+ and Navi standard for about... 40-42 th. bucks??
10-09-2007, 11:57 AM
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Found some spy photos of a heavily camouflaged 2009 TL. Looks to have some Lexus GS influences. Also, the nav antenna is shaped like a fin, much like the beamers.
I think 300hp for the base model.
I think 300hp for the base model.
10-09-2007, 12:47 PM
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There is no way the base model will have 300+ hp just no way.
Compare to the (base model) competition the TL already has move hp then 328i, IS 250, and A4.
Yes the G35 have 300 hp but start get all the technology that acura has and the price difference is huge.
Acura has been pushing their marketing campaign with "Advance".I think you guys are wrong about hp thing, acura is looking to defect the compition with standard tech features and a N/A engine that produce more hp then tipical base model compition.
And I totally agree with what someone else said on here. They cannot and will not raise the price of the base model TL much at all.
If you guys are hoping for something like the g37 with 330hp pray they have three engine options and look to be paying as much for one as for a mdx.
Compare to the (base model) competition the TL already has move hp then 328i, IS 250, and A4.
Yes the G35 have 300 hp but start get all the technology that acura has and the price difference is huge.
Acura has been pushing their marketing campaign with "Advance".I think you guys are wrong about hp thing, acura is looking to defect the compition with standard tech features and a N/A engine that produce more hp then tipical base model compition.
And I totally agree with what someone else said on here. They cannot and will not raise the price of the base model TL much at all.
If you guys are hoping for something like the g37 with 330hp pray they have three engine options and look to be paying as much for one as for a mdx.
10-09-2007, 01:29 PM
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Originally Posted by evanj5
There is no way the base model will have 300+ hp just no way.
Compare to the (base model) competition the TL already has move hp then 328i, IS 250, and A4.
Yes the G35 have 300 hp but start get all the technology that acura has and the price difference is huge.
Acura has been pushing their marketing campaign with "Advance".I think you guys are wrong about hp thing, acura is looking to defect the compition with standard tech features and a N/A engine that produce more hp then tipical base model compition.
And I totally agree with what someone else said on here. They cannot and will not raise the price of the base model TL much at all.
If you guys are hoping for something like the g37 with 330hp pray they have three engine options and look to be paying as much for one as for a mdx.
Compare to the (base model) competition the TL already has move hp then 328i, IS 250, and A4.
Yes the G35 have 300 hp but start get all the technology that acura has and the price difference is huge.
Acura has been pushing their marketing campaign with "Advance".I think you guys are wrong about hp thing, acura is looking to defect the compition with standard tech features and a N/A engine that produce more hp then tipical base model compition.
And I totally agree with what someone else said on here. They cannot and will not raise the price of the base model TL much at all.
If you guys are hoping for something like the g37 with 330hp pray they have three engine options and look to be paying as much for one as for a mdx.
You have a good point there. IF the engine will be the same as is in the V6 2008 Accord, then it will have 268hp. I hope and think they should bump the TL a bit more since it does compete with the likes of BMW, Infiniti, and Lexus.
10-09-2007, 01:35 PM
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Originally Posted by evanj5
There is no way the base model will have 300+ hp just no way.
Compare to the (base model) competition the TL already has move hp then 328i, IS 250, and A4.
Yes the G35 have 300 hp but start get all the technology that acura has and the price difference is huge.
Acura has been pushing their marketing campaign with "Advance".I think you guys are wrong about hp thing, acura is looking to defect the compition with standard tech features and a N/A engine that produce more hp then tipical base model compition.
And I totally agree with what someone else said on here. They cannot and will not raise the price of the base model TL much at all.
If you guys are hoping for something like the g37 with 330hp pray they have three engine options and look to be paying as much for one as for a mdx.
Compare to the (base model) competition the TL already has move hp then 328i, IS 250, and A4.
Yes the G35 have 300 hp but start get all the technology that acura has and the price difference is huge.
Acura has been pushing their marketing campaign with "Advance".I think you guys are wrong about hp thing, acura is looking to defect the compition with standard tech features and a N/A engine that produce more hp then tipical base model compition.
And I totally agree with what someone else said on here. They cannot and will not raise the price of the base model TL much at all.
If you guys are hoping for something like the g37 with 330hp pray they have three engine options and look to be paying as much for one as for a mdx.
10-09-2007, 02:03 PM
#486
For sure the TL will have more then 270HP since the new ACCORD is at 268. Im not saying 300HP. As usual, car company reuse their old "SPORTS" as base model (BMW, Mercedes). I won't be surprise that the base TL gets the 280Hp 3.5 from the TypeS. The typeS won't get out before 2011 or even 2012 so lets all wait for the realease 
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10-10-2007, 09:41 AM
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it will be some nice horse power! lol...
don't you guys remember that the Acura Engineers like to take idea from our forum? (think of 07 TL)
=)
just demand we want 300+ lol
don't you guys remember that the Acura Engineers like to take idea from our forum? (think of 07 TL)
=)
just demand we want 300+ lol
10-10-2007, 10:18 AM
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Yeah, I agree, we do need an awesome effort from Acura on the next modelsI was on the autospies website and a lot of those people think Acuras are a joke. After posting that I test-drove a Cadillac CTS and a TL-S back to back and liked the TL-S more for various reasons, I was told:
"Blakura
anyone that puts acrua up as a lux/near lux car is just joking. a nicer honda is all that it is. Enjoy driving your accords"
I'm sure he has never driven an Acura or he would know better than to make such remarks also he may not know how the TL and RL beat out many of their competitors (including BMW) in their initial comparisons, if I remember correctly both cars took 2nd place of 8 competitors only losing out to the G35 and M45 (V-8 model).
Come on Acura give us something to talk about.
"Blakura
anyone that puts acrua up as a lux/near lux car is just joking. a nicer honda is all that it is. Enjoy driving your accords"
I'm sure he has never driven an Acura or he would know better than to make such remarks also he may not know how the TL and RL beat out many of their competitors (including BMW) in their initial comparisons, if I remember correctly both cars took 2nd place of 8 competitors only losing out to the G35 and M45 (V-8 model).
Come on Acura give us something to talk about.
10-10-2007, 11:21 AM
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Anybody seen these yet? The new Japan Inspire.
http://www.vtec.net/news/news-image?...insp_pr-02.jpg
http://www.vtec.net/news/news-image?...insp_pr-03.jpg
http://www.vtec.net/news/news-image?...insp_pr-02.jpg
http://www.vtec.net/news/news-image?...insp_pr-03.jpg
10-10-2007, 12:57 PM
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Looks like an Accord to me....(diesel version??)
10-10-2007, 02:44 PM
#491
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Originally Posted by blakura
Yeah, I agree, we do need an awesome effort from Acura on the next modelsI was on the autospies website and a lot of those people think Acuras are a joke. After posting that I test-drove a Cadillac CTS and a TL-S back to back and liked the TL-S more for various reasons, I was told:
"Blakura
anyone that puts acrua up as a lux/near lux car is just joking. a nicer honda is all that it is. Enjoy driving your accords"
I'm sure he has never driven an Acura or he would know better than to make such remarks also he may not know how the TL and RL beat out many of their competitors (including BMW) in their initial comparisons, if I remember correctly both cars took 2nd place of 8 competitors only losing out to the G35 and M45 (V-8 model).
Come on Acura give us something to talk about.
"Blakura
anyone that puts acrua up as a lux/near lux car is just joking. a nicer honda is all that it is. Enjoy driving your accords"
I'm sure he has never driven an Acura or he would know better than to make such remarks also he may not know how the TL and RL beat out many of their competitors (including BMW) in their initial comparisons, if I remember correctly both cars took 2nd place of 8 competitors only losing out to the G35 and M45 (V-8 model).
Come on Acura give us something to talk about.
While most of us here are more demanding I do note that the 3G TL went from I ebelive 45K sales year one to somehting like 70K sales last year, so if it is "just and accord" it is one that is liked very much by more and more people every year! At the end of the day it is marketing, if Acura sells their target or more then they succeed, irregardless of what we or the snobby others think.
10-10-2007, 03:06 PM
#492
Abosolutely, Acura needs to really push the luxury and performance aspect of their vehicles. Head to head it's no doubt comparable to the other luxury car makers (better in my biased opinion).
Also, what happened to the RSX? Are they phasing it out to replace it with a higher end sports coupe? It seems as though they moving toward have vehicles only in the 30k+ range. If Acura wants to be on the status level of a Lexus or BMW, they can't sell cars for 23k. Can anyone buy a brand new Lexus for $23,000?
Also, what happened to the RSX? Are they phasing it out to replace it with a higher end sports coupe? It seems as though they moving toward have vehicles only in the 30k+ range. If Acura wants to be on the status level of a Lexus or BMW, they can't sell cars for 23k. Can anyone buy a brand new Lexus for $23,000?
10-10-2007, 03:22 PM
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if it doesn't have 330+ horsepower im going to be disappointed.. with AWD means more weight soo anything bellow 330 will be only a LITTLE faster if that than the current type-s...
If I had a choice it would be RWD 330 HP
If I had a choice it would be RWD 330 HP
10-10-2007, 11:41 PM
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anyone know when the 2009 official pics will be released? im guessing Tokyo autoshow..but when is that again..november?
thx for the help
thx for the help
10-11-2007, 12:54 AM
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Hello all ( its been a while)..... IMHO I think this next TL is going to be HOT or a complete FLOP. I think they might go in the direction of the G sedan and just smooth the current design out and give it a more aggressive look. Most people are going to want 300hp but they will probably put it around 290 just to piss us off. And if they do this then are they really arent doing what they are marketing (ADVANCE ). More like advance to Jail, do not collect your $200 and watch all the other players in the game pass you bye. Although I have to admit that marketing technology is something that will and can never get old- always something new. I love the car and the brand, but come on... stop sitting in the pack and set the bar! On a side note, that new Accord is FUGLY. Its looks like the older brother of a Hyundai,what were they thinking? I guess when they become more common on the road, people like myself will be forced to swallow and digest its looks...Anyways, I think the one thing that people are forgetting here when it comes to standard power, AWD and all that good stuff with the TL is the possibility of a new CL coming back. Maybe they will follow the lead of Infiniti and make the coupe the more powerful and the looker (design wise) of the family. But when can we receive our cars to compete with //M , //AMG and such? Just my 
and only MHO
and only MHO
10-11-2007, 10:05 AM
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^^That's supposed to be the new hybrid coupe from Honda^^ It's premiering at the Tokyo auto show. The name the CR-Z the modern CRX. There is a mention of it in the NYTIMES auto section.
10-11-2007, 10:07 AM
#498
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Originally Posted by leedogg
Hopefully it will inherit some of these genes:
^^That's supposed to be the new hybrid coupe from Honda^^ It's premiering at the Tokyo auto show. The name the CR-Z the modern CRX. There is a mention of it in the NYTIMES auto section.
10-11-2007, 08:34 PM
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Folks, without giving my sources away, I know this: the front end is pretty sweet, the rear end is going to make some happy and some sad. The engine is being tweaked as we speak to get above (if at all possible) the 300 HP barrier, it WILL be SH-AWD, and the interior is going to knock your socks off.
That's all I got. Enjoy.
That's all I got. Enjoy.
10-11-2007, 09:10 PM
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09 horsepower
alright I posted this in the accord forum but I figured it would go here too
Here is my take on the HP ratings
98-02 accord V6 horsepower was 200
99-03 TL horsepower was 225
12.5% increase
03-05 accord horsepower was 240
04-05 TL horsepower was 270
12.5% increase
Anyway I do relieze that once the new ratings came out those numbers were change. However to me it seems to the goal of Honda is to increase the TLs HP rating by 12.5%. Granted they had thought they had done this only to be proven wrong that still seems the goal to me.
So assuming that the 08 accord is 268 HP we can assume that 300 HP is diffenently in the ballpark.
Here is my take on the HP ratings
98-02 accord V6 horsepower was 200
99-03 TL horsepower was 225
12.5% increase
03-05 accord horsepower was 240
04-05 TL horsepower was 270
12.5% increase
Anyway I do relieze that once the new ratings came out those numbers were change. However to me it seems to the goal of Honda is to increase the TLs HP rating by 12.5%. Granted they had thought they had done this only to be proven wrong that still seems the goal to me.
So assuming that the 08 accord is 268 HP we can assume that 300 HP is diffenently in the ballpark.
10-11-2007, 09:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Trackruner228
alright I posted this in the accord forum but I figured it would go here too
Here is my take on the HP ratings
98-02 accord V6 horsepower was 200
99-03 TL horsepower was 225
12.5% increase
03-05 accord horsepower was 240
04-05 TL horsepower was 270
12.5% increase
Anyway I do relieze that once the new ratings came out those numbers were change. However to me it seems to the goal of Honda is to increase the TLs HP rating by 12.5%. Granted they had thought they had done this only to be proven wrong that still seems the goal to me.
So assuming that the 08 accord is 268 HP we can assume that 300 HP is diffenently in the ballpark.
Here is my take on the HP ratings
98-02 accord V6 horsepower was 200
99-03 TL horsepower was 225
12.5% increase
03-05 accord horsepower was 240
04-05 TL horsepower was 270
12.5% increase
Anyway I do relieze that once the new ratings came out those numbers were change. However to me it seems to the goal of Honda is to increase the TLs HP rating by 12.5%. Granted they had thought they had done this only to be proven wrong that still seems the goal to me.
So assuming that the 08 accord is 268 HP we can assume that 300 HP is diffenently in the ballpark.
The TL has had a .2 liter advantage over the accord since 2004, so it should continue into the next gen tl, meaning the base TL will have the 3.7 MDX block retuned, if it currently puts out 300, retuned it should put out 310-330. The type-s which might come back should have some really good power to it..
10-12-2007, 02:39 AM
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Originally Posted by Mindworm
Folks, without giving my sources away, I know this: the front end is pretty sweet, the rear end is going to make some happy and some sad. The engine is being tweaked as we speak to get above (if at all possible) the 300 HP barrier, it WILL be SH-AWD, and the interior is going to knock your socks off.
That's all I got. Enjoy.
That's all I got. Enjoy.
Imagine the 4th gen being a big hit, AZ will be populated! There will be more cars in meets.
10-12-2007, 07:02 PM
#504
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Originally Posted by Mindworm
Folks, without giving my sources away, I know this: the front end is pretty sweet, the rear end is going to make some happy and some sad. The engine is being tweaked as we speak to get above (if at all possible) the 300 HP barrier, it WILL be SH-AWD, and the interior is going to knock your socks off.
That's all I got. Enjoy.
That's all I got. Enjoy.
I think definitely by the time I upgrade it'd be probably to the RL's successor.
10-13-2007, 09:25 AM
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I can't give away my source since he's gainfully employed, and I'd like to see him stay that way.
Truth be told, I don't know if the 4th gen will be the sales success that the 3rd gen was simply because the market for this car is sooooo hyper-competitive. New A4, G35/37, 335i, new C-Class, etc. They're trying to tweak it out as best they can -- remember, SH-AWD is going to really add weight. A bigger engine with just a little more HP won't make a spec difference, which many will look at. Hence all the tweaking.
Truth be told, I don't know if the 4th gen will be the sales success that the 3rd gen was simply because the market for this car is sooooo hyper-competitive. New A4, G35/37, 335i, new C-Class, etc. They're trying to tweak it out as best they can -- remember, SH-AWD is going to really add weight. A bigger engine with just a little more HP won't make a spec difference, which many will look at. Hence all the tweaking.
10-13-2007, 09:10 PM
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"My sources"??
Originally Posted by Mindworm
Folks, without giving my sources away, I know this: the front end is pretty sweet, the rear end is going to make some happy and some sad. The engine is being tweaked as we speak to get above (if at all possible) the 300 HP barrier, it WILL be SH-AWD, and the interior is going to knock your socks off.
That's all I got. Enjoy.
That's all I got. Enjoy.
Honda/Acura does NOT leak info on upcoming production models. If they do people are fired and sued and thats just the beginning.
As for the dealers they only know of the redesigns no specifics whatsoever and ballpark dates and prices. Please dont mislead people here. Unless you can reveal your "sources" I have been in the design end of the auto bizz for years...FYI
10-14-2007, 12:04 AM
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Lots of Assumptions, but .....
.... that's what this thread is about, right? 
So lets say trackrunner and mindworm are pretty close on the HP. 258 x 1.125 = ~302 HP.
Also assume the TL today loses 17% of crank HP through the drive train. That gives approx WHP, bone stock, at 258 x 0.83 = ~214 WHP today.
If the 4G has SH-AWD, based on the RL dyno sheets, it'll lose closer to 30% of it's Crank HP. 302 x 0.70 = ~211 WHP. No appreciable change in power.
But handling should improve, so the potential for better "lap" times is there.
IF this is in the ball park, I could live with that. I would hope however, that when ( ) the 4G TL-S hits the streets, that it'll be at 340+ SAE HP if it's gonna be running SH-AWD as well.
So lets say trackrunner and mindworm are pretty close on the HP. 258 x 1.125 = ~302 HP.
Also assume the TL today loses 17% of crank HP through the drive train. That gives approx WHP, bone stock, at 258 x 0.83 = ~214 WHP today.
If the 4G has SH-AWD, based on the RL dyno sheets, it'll lose closer to 30% of it's Crank HP. 302 x 0.70 = ~211 WHP. No appreciable change in power.
But handling should improve, so the potential for better "lap" times is there.
IF this is in the ball park, I could live with that. I would hope however, that when (
) the 4G TL-S hits the streets, that it'll be at 340+ SAE HP if it's gonna be running SH-AWD as well.
10-14-2007, 12:38 AM
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Luxor -
I understand your reservations. Keep them if you like. Just bookmark my post, so when the car comes out you can see how far off or close I am. (And nothing short of a major overhaul at the 11th hour would put me far away from spot on...)
If indeed you are in the inside of the design end of the industry, you know damn well why i can't say a thing about who he/she is and what department they work in.
What I got was by pure accident. My connection is through a relative, not a personal thing, and I don't think he/she knew my affinity for vehicles. Either way, I'm keeping my mouth shut and staying hazy. Check my history. I've never made a claim like this before since I never had anything to go off of. I can guesstimate like the rest of you, but in this case, I got a bit and thought I'd share a bit that I know to be fact. Take it for what it's worth.
I understand your reservations. Keep them if you like. Just bookmark my post, so when the car comes out you can see how far off or close I am. (And nothing short of a major overhaul at the 11th hour would put me far away from spot on...)
If indeed you are in the inside of the design end of the industry, you know damn well why i can't say a thing about who he/she is and what department they work in.
What I got was by pure accident. My connection is through a relative, not a personal thing, and I don't think he/she knew my affinity for vehicles. Either way, I'm keeping my mouth shut and staying hazy. Check my history. I've never made a claim like this before since I never had anything to go off of. I can guesstimate like the rest of you, but in this case, I got a bit and thought I'd share a bit that I know to be fact. Take it for what it's worth.
10-14-2007, 01:11 AM
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Originally Posted by Mindworm
Luxor -
I understand your reservations. Keep them if you like. Just bookmark my post, so when the car comes out you can see how far off or close I am. (And nothing short of a major overhaul at the 11th hour would put me far away from spot on...)
If indeed you are in the inside of the design end of the industry, you know damn well why i can't say a thing about who he/she is and what department they work in.
What I got was by pure accident. My connection is through a relative, not a personal thing, and I don't think he/she knew my affinity for vehicles. Either way, I'm keeping my mouth shut and staying hazy. Check my history. I've never made a claim like this before since I never had anything to go off of. I can guesstimate like the rest of you, but in this case, I got a bit and thought I'd share a bit that I know to be fact. Take it for what it's worth.
I understand your reservations. Keep them if you like. Just bookmark my post, so when the car comes out you can see how far off or close I am. (And nothing short of a major overhaul at the 11th hour would put me far away from spot on...)
If indeed you are in the inside of the design end of the industry, you know damn well why i can't say a thing about who he/she is and what department they work in.
What I got was by pure accident. My connection is through a relative, not a personal thing, and I don't think he/she knew my affinity for vehicles. Either way, I'm keeping my mouth shut and staying hazy. Check my history. I've never made a claim like this before since I never had anything to go off of. I can guesstimate like the rest of you, but in this case, I got a bit and thought I'd share a bit that I know to be fact. Take it for what it's worth.
10-14-2007, 10:55 PM
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Originally Posted by neuronbob
Acura/Honda are traditionally close to the vest with their model releases, so we won't hear anything for another year about the 4G TL. They traditionally go through five-year cycles with their models with the recent exception of the 1G RL. Therefore, the 2009 TL in 2008 will be the next TL.
MT is often wrong about these things, as are many other auto mags.
MT is often wrong about these things, as are many other auto mags.
Honda can and has done 4 model years in the past, so it can be true that 2008 is the new model year.
10-16-2007, 02:51 PM
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I just hope they don't screw up the styling of the 09 TL like they did the TSX (based on what I've seen thus far). The 3G TL is such a sexy ass looking car, I would hate to see them mess it up. Doesn't really matter too much to me though as I plan on keeping my 06 as long as possible.
10-16-2007, 03:03 PM
#517
I had my g/f run the plates on the spy shot from Germany, and it is registered as a 2007 Honda-Acura. Her polizei friend said it was only regestired for one day. Those sneaky folks at Honda swap the plates daily. There is no tracing thru the plates. Oh well, I guess we gotta wait a few more months.
10-29-2007, 03:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Fast Cat
Found some spy photos of a heavily camouflaged 2009 TL. Looks to have some Lexus GS influences. Also, the nav antenna is shaped like a fin, much like the beamers.
I think 300hp for the base model.
I think 300hp for the base model.
10-29-2007, 05:29 PM
#519
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I agree that it will have base of over 300, and SHAWD- now the ? is what will the price tag be? I guess is 40,995 for the base..add 2G for NAVI and Type S and so on..so it very well could be pushin 45G's for Type S with N- Navi standard i am sure on the S...
10-29-2007, 10:18 PM
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Originally Posted by luxor311
You still dont understand what I am saying. Employees DONT leak information about projects they are working on to anyone anywhere especially Honda/Acura They sign numerous confidentiality agreements which legally bind them. It dosent matter if its a relative or a spouse. My assumption is your making some-part of the puzzle up by saying you got the info by "pure accident?". Even you mentioning it on a major acura fan website is reason to doubt your claims. I still think your making the sources part up and just guessing like the rest of us.....sorry
