brian6speed

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I have been debating the same thing about tires. Whether a 255 is worth it over a 245 both price and performance/weight wise.

Here is what I posted in my thread.

Trying to decide what tire size and which tires to go with for my next set. Looking for a street/track tire. Here is what I am trying to decide between.

Size 255/35/18 from tirerack
1. Dunlop Star Spec $1012
2. Hankook R-S3 $1032
3. Toyo R1R $880
4. Michelin Super Sport $1068

Size 245/40/18
1. Dunlop Star Spec $872
2. Hankook R-S3 $788
3. Toyo R1R $720
4. Michelin Super Sport $1032
5. Nitto NT05 $752 from discounttire-tirerack dsnt sell nitto

First thing that pops out is how much more expensive the 255 tires are over the 245. The R-S3 price for 255 seems really high compared to the 245 price. The michelins are about same price regardless of size.

Queston is a 255 worth the extra price? Will it even perform better on a 8.5 wide rim?

I think I am leaning more towards the R-S3, NT05, or R1R's. I am thinking the R-S3 in 245 cause 255 is expensive, NT05 don't come in 255 so only 245 for those, and the R1R in 255 since the price isn't that much more.

I am currently on 235/45/18 hankook R-S2. Those only cost me $350 shipped. Been very happy with them.

the fenda rolla

I just looked up the prices myself on tirerack because I just KNOW those prices are waaaay off, but then I realized you're buying 18" tires not 17"....and that right there is your number one problem! 255/40/17 R-S3's are just $634 for a set...I definitely suggest you go with 17" wheels...its cheaper all around...AND its a shit ton lighter!!! (Inaccurate would appreciate that one! ). And you can get those NT05's in 255/40/17....but I'd personally stick with the R-S3...having tracked with both of them...

the fenda rolla

Villo, your insight definitely benefitted this discussion!! And Inaccurate, keeping that weight down in all areas of the car is definitely something all road racers are looking to do! And Villo's right too, its all about balance and some comprise must be made sometimes...for example, like Villo said, do I want to spend the $$$ on super sticky tires that might only last a couple track events? Or spend less and sacrifice those extra .1 seconds per lap on tires that'll last longer?

But where no compromises should be made is in safety...for example, should I install a full roll cage that weighs about 70lbs?? Hmm...I don't have one now, and probably won't ever, but it would be excellent peace of mind! Especially since it doesn't take much to roll out there...

So Inaccurate, MSR Houston is just south of Pearland...let's shoot for a track weekend in September!!

Check this out:

http://www.thedriversedge.net/02_tracks.htm

brian6speed

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My 18" ssr wheels only weigh 17 lbs each. I would not go down to 17 based on looks alone.

If you are going down to a 17 why not just make it 15".

the fenda rolla

A little sensitive there chief?? Hahaha And who said anything about going down to 17" for looks alone?? Definitely not this guy, so get your facts straight...I said *tires* would be lighter and cheaper...looks was *not* mentioned...secondly, you complain about how expensive your tires will be, I suggested a legit alternative, the price you pay for tires alone would offset the cost of new 17" wheels in a couple sets.

Thirdly, so you just asked about tires, wonderful...you do know the size tire *depends* on your size wheel?? Cool story bro, glad we had this talk and glad you took my lighthearted jab about you going down to 17" wheels/tires like a champ instead of getting all pissy and suggesting going to something as unreasonable as a 15"...

brian6speed

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No sensitivity at all, that is just what you are reading into it. So hard to type on here without sensitive/egotistical people thinking you are attacking/bashing them.

I am the one who said about going down to 17 for looks. I was talking about my own car, and my preference, not someone elses or what they want.

I was not complaining about price. I was asking if the price is worth it for the performance gain from going from 245 to 255. I have enough money to buy either.

I would rather get an answer from someone with a little more brain power like inaccurate or villa. You obviously are no help.

Saying cool story bro is so lame and such a troll comment.

Wait the size tires depend on the wheel size no way bro.

the fenda rolla

^^^ gotcha, good luck with your purchase

swoosh

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i dont mind going 16" with a NO lip setup....an 18" with lip looks like 17" and a 17" NO LIP look like 18"....

i honestly dont mind going 16" coz you will be in the 28-32lb range per corner without having to get tires shaved....if you get tires shaved, you will be ~25odd lbs per corner which i think is awesome considering the stock rims only weigh that much !!!

callahan

If I were u I would go with te 16's, totally worth the weight savings.

rockstar143

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you guys are out of your minds...a 16 on our car looks like a dayton wire wheel...

callahan

I thought about it a little more, 17's will be slightly heavier but will handle better in corners. I guess it all really depends what u want out of your car.

AnthraciteAspec

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Just wanted to say your car is awesome man. I shot you a PM with a couple questions hopefully you can help me out.

vill0169

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reply sent

brian6speed

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Here is another weight loss, drag reduction, and visibility increasing mod you can do. This is my latest mod. Made the panel and attached APR mirrors to it.

maharajamd

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I often wondered about the rear view mirrors... Not even considering the weight saved just the aerodynamics...

swoosh

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I think you loose the auto tilt functionality when you delete the front OEM seats and replace by racing seats.....in that case this can turn out to be an awesome mod as you can loose the motors, wiring, the buttons in the dash....which will all be like 8-10 lbs removed....

Undying Dreams

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Anil, I'm sure the tilting feature is the least of his worries on a track car

swoosh

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^^^ my point is, you are loosing that feature anyway so might as well

Undying Dreams

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Ohh, I see btw, that CF looks sic around the mirrors.

maharajamd

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You guys are starting to go crazy over this diet stuff.

For all of you hardcore TL dieters...what do YOU weigh? Any fat asses doing the TL diet? Lol

I mean, Abercrombie jeans have to save you what, .5 lbs over the thicker Gap denim? No belt saves you...1 lb? Less hair gel, .02 lbs? iPod Nano over an iPhone, 1 lb?

Edit: No offense to anyone. I'm half way joking here. Just curious.

swoosh

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^^^ LOL....

well i am on a protein diet LOL....

but yeah i weighed 182lbs and wanted to reach 185lbs but after i started the diet, i cut off my mass building routine for cutting routine and am down to 176lbs....

Undying Dreams

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I weigh 132? I'm under 135.

swoosh

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^^^ eat mor chikin

CFA

Undying Dreams

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I do eat like crap! Idk why I stay so skinny.

So since I weigh so little you think I can take the TL out for a spin Vill?

vill0169

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I have been thinking about this, could make this fit into the plans this year.

It's possible, I could probably find out for everyone...

I race nekked for this very reason lol

vill0169

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yeah....about that............lol


where in FL are you?

maharajamd

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^I knew you or Inacc was going to answer with something like that.

Hell watching Inacc's Camaro video, I noticed his shirt was pressed but his cuffs were loose. And I thought "Kidding me right, cufflinks must of weighed too much. Needs to order some CF ones"

Undying Dreams

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West Palm area.

Inaccurate

With racing seat, you better be slim. Racing seats are narrow.

Regarding the rest of the comment - This is not as much of a joke as you think. It is real. I have never mentioned it on the forum but I do get down to this level. Years ago, I started wearing moccasins that weigh just 5 ounces (no soles) instead of normal shoes for this exact reasons. It bugged the hell out of me about how much my normal shoes weighed. So I shopped around (Zappos ) and found the moccasins. This was about 3-1/2 years ago and I still wear moccasins today to save weight.

swoosh

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^^^ you need to change your avvvy....i can see that guy is wearing shoes

Inaccurate

Is driving naked illegal?

maharajamd

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That's crazy man. But I could see it. Big difference between say 5oz mocs and 5 lb Doc Martins.

Undying Dreams

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If I was a cop I'd avoid pulling you over.

vill0169

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He is not the STIG, but he is the STIG's nudist cousin!!!!

civicdrivr

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swoosh

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AnthraciteAspec

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Thanks again for your help, if all goes well I should have some 17inch RPF1s on Saturday.

AnthraciteAspec

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Brian those mirrors look awesome man. Jealous of all you guys with the serious weight reductions.

Hi speed

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I am running the Hankook Ventus V12's in 255/35/18 and I am very happy with them, both in traction and noise. They were pretty cheap at $750 shipped for a set of 4 and seem to be holding up pretty well considering my power level. They are heavy at 24.5 lbs per tire or almost an even 50 lbs with rim and tire together. Worth looking into with the $80 off tire rack is offering right now, basically free shipping. I also found Just Tires mounts and balances for $15 per tire, instead of the $45 per Wheel works wanted.

AnthraciteAspec

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Is the $80 only for V12s? I bought some v12s for my 19s a few months back and they are an amazing tire, but I am going with the RS-3s for my track wheels. I will be ordering them in a few days.

Just checked its only for the V12 Evos, damn