AccordFlex

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It says you replaced spark plugs... are they all tightened down enough to crush the washer? Also I wonder if you dont have full compression in any of the cylinders. Might be something to diagnose as well.

kingkong_dav

Know im a mechani
My plugs are tigthen down good. I have full compression. Im a mechanic. Well atleast @2lbs of boost i cant blow up my engine. But i will fix the boost.

pohljm

Really just need to upsize the blower if you want reasonable boost. It was undersized and overdriven on the 3.2. Now its just even worse.

maddogtheta

This thread has definitely scared me off of the CT-e supercharger. If I'm going to spend upwards of 5k on boosting, I'm gonna go with a turbo set up... But I hope you get your issues solved kingkong_dav, it really seems like the supercharger should be giving you more boost than you're currently getting.

kingkong_dav

^ well its a nice kit. Fitment is good n its 50 state legal. I have a boost problem.. I will fix my boost problem.. The thing is, im broke but i will hit good numbers. My whole thread was to bring tls together, showing n explaining it works n fit w hondata

kingkong_dav

After i fix my belt tensioner n diagnose my boost leak then we can determine if its too small of a blower.

maddogtheta

That's fair, and I don't want you to misunderstand that I was disparaging your choice of boost method. I think it's just that in my research, the cost of the supercharger compared to the cost of a turbo install doesn't seem to be a big enough difference. As I research more and find a shop that wants to actually return my calls or emails, it may turn out that the supercharger is a better choice for me as well.

I'm looking forward to seeing what you gain when everything's working on your Type S.

I hate cars

The blower is too small, there's no question there. It will make a few lbs of boost, that is not the issue. The issue is it's so far out if it's efficiency range so you're blowing a ton of superheated air and getting less power per lb of boost. This is why meth is such a good idea, it will cool the air inlet temps to something more reasonable. You can also run an intercooler if you're dead set against meth but there will be a little throttle lag since the throttlebody has to go before the blower. A water to air intercooler that sits in the engine bay between the supercharger and intake would be your best bet. You would need to run the HBP with an intercooler.

A larger blower would give more power per lb of boost. The intercooler or meth would make the CAI less important as well.

kingkong_dav

^ totally respectable.. After i repkace both tensioner n belt, check for tears in couplings n datalog my new boost level, till then well see if its undersized... If its making 4lbs if boost its not undersized...

I hate cars

It's undersized no matter how much boost it makes. It could make 20 psi and it would still be undersized. You're using a blower made for a much smaller engine. Charge temps are very high and it has to be spun too fast to make boost on the 3.2 and 3.5L.

A bigger blower at 4psi will make more power than a smaller blower at 4psi. I ran the stock turbo at 19psi with heads and cam and picked up over 100hp with a larger turbo at the same boost with nothing else chsnged. The bigger one reduced charge temps and exhaust back pressure. Similar to exhaust back pressure for the supercharger would be slightly lower power consumption from the bigger blower at low boost in its efficiency range.

thisaznboi88

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m62 is the same one used on RSX and civics. lol need Mp90

kingkong_dav

^doesnt matter if its a m90 or larger, it makes decent power.

AccordFlex

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KKD, look man we really want to help you but with your problem but dude, why cant you just admit you bought the wrong blower like we all told you in the first place. There is no testing and belt slipping and tensioner problems that are going to solve this.

THE BLOWER IS TOO SMALL FOR THE 3.5L MOTOR. YOU ARE DOING NOTHING BUT HEATSOAKING THE ENGINE.

Get meth, an intercooler or a new blower and maybe you will actually make some numbers higher than a bolt on N/A 3.2L

I hate cars

Ouch........ But true.

NvrDwn

Your car now doesn't, with 4lbs it still won't make decent power. It may be hard to understand but 4lbs for a m60 or whatever is not the same as 4lbs with an m90.

Think of it like this. You have a 3'' tube holding 4psi and a 4'' tube also holding 4psi. Which is holding more air? The 4''.

mdkxtreme

Holy crap I totally miss the part that he bought the wrong blower.

Throttle037

Off topic but has anyone here actually installed a M90 in a tl? just curious.

thisaznboi88

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^ yes and then he sold it. I should have bought it. lol could have made 400whp

sockr1

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interesting thread to follow and i appreciate OP's efforts (i don't know much about the supercharger application), but man, i expected a lot more results out of a supercharger application to a type s. i think bolt on type s cars can put out the same right now

as long as OP likes it though...

kingkong_dav

Well like i said a few post back, i sprayed belt dressing n it picked up almost 1lb of boost. Its a bad belt tensioner.i know it doesnt max out at 2.2 lbs of boost. Let me do the diagnosing.... Its the right blower.. Im not expecting too much now but i better break the 300hp mark. Heatsoaking the engine isnt a big concern because my fans come on @ 199degrees. Im running straight water w purple ice coolant additive. When i was on the dyno my coolant temps were at a steady 188 degree.

paperboy42190

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I might be wrong but I dont think the coolant has the do anything about the heatsoak. Stock TL's alrdy have heatsoaking to an extent. I've experienced it before on certain hot days. If changing out the coolant was all that's needed to prevent the heatsoak I'm sure we all would have done that by now

i_love_cars

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none of this will change the fact that you are pumping hot air into the engine. The blower is too small, and you don't have a proper intercooler to keep the air temp down before it gets to the engine.

Your intake temperature is directly related to how much spark and fuel your computer will allow.

Right now, you essentially have a short-ram intake with a turbine.

The end.

NvrDwn

You are correct. Heatsoak has nothing to do with coolant temperature.

KKD you said your a mechanic?

thisaznboi88

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^ mechanic, not enigineer. lol where is paperboy and his physic book?

i_love_cars

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being a mechanic doesn't qualify someone to know wtf they're talking about when supercharging a car.

it's mind-blowing to me that this dude doesn't just install a meth kit on the car.

I've got FBO sitting in my house waiting to get installed on my BMW this spring - I'll be running a Stage 1 tune until I finish all the research on installing a meth kit on that car because I won't run Stage 2+ tunes that push the car unless I have meth.

It's just a no-brainer.

AccordFlex

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god i feel bad for the owners and cars this guy works on if hes a mechanic.

I hate cars

I know where KKD is because it reminds me of the evolution of my car.

In the beginning it had no intercooler and a tiny stock turbo. I had a charge air temp gauge with the sensor right in the intake manifold. When I went out looking for trouble I would drive it super easy and IATs would stay just a few degrees higher than ambient. Then during a run with the wastegate locked shut and 19psi boost, charge air temps would hit 320-340F. If I drove it super easy for 10 minutes after that it might get down to 180ish. There was basically one good short run in it. 340 degree air is not how you make power and an undersized roots blower at 4-5psi will have similar air temps as my turbo at 19 psi.

So later it got a big turbo and temps dropped to about 180F at 26psi. Huge improvement. The car picked up almost 100hp from the turbo upgrade.

Next was a nice front mount intercooler. The outlet temps of the intercooler were in the bottom 100s on a 70 degree night. Another big difference considering the turbo makes up for the pressure drop from the intercooler cooling the air and raises the pre intercooler boost so manifold pressure stays the same.

Next was methanol injection. At this point the car had a total of 4 air temperature sensors. When the meth triggered, it pegged the gauge out at 60F. So at 26-29psi boost, the air going into the engine was at least 20F below ambient. I have no idea now cold it actually was but the up pipe going into the intake manifold was cool to the touch after a hard run which includes the time to stop the car, get out, and pop the hood.

I went from up to 340 degree charge air at 19psi to 60 degree (or cooler) charge air at 29 psi. Without any real changes to the engine it went from a 13.9@101mph to 10.90@125-ish and that was almost entirely turbo, intercooler, and methanol upgrades.

I hope this illustrates how important it is to deliver quality dense air into the engine. The gains can be huge with no other changes in the engine. I would guess 250-300hp in my case. If I were stuck with the little blower I would be tuning one hell of a pure meth shot.

This could be KKD's opportunity to do something different. Do an air to water intercooler between the blower and engine. You can get a unit that will literally fit inline with the air ducting. The nice thing is for a tough race you can pack the tank with ice water.

paperboy42190

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A chemistry book might be more appropriate seeing as how the OP thinks a different coolant additive will change how much hot air the supercharger is taking in i hate chemistry though

thisaznboi88

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I like these kits. I have HF-2 that is trigger by spark pulse width. With HF-4 its both spark pulse width and boost trigger

http://howertonengineering.com/produ...quamist-hfs-4/

http://howertonengineering.com/produ...ection-system/

pohljm

now we are headed in the right direction!

NvrDwn

Being a mechanic should give you enough understanding that the coolant temperature won't change the iat. I took my mechanics class, oh, 7-8 years ago and never became a mechanic, I'm 24 Btw. It may just be me but I'm not going to say oh I'm an electrician and then fail to put a 20kw generator in. Sure it's slightly out of my normal day to day activities but I can certainly understand how it works.

ez12a

no updates to this thread? i like to read this daily...

kingkong_dav

how? why? so your telling me if a customer needed brakes and rotor on their 95 honda oddessy i should suggest they go with slotted rotors and carbon ceramic pads because their better? or your engine is lacking power sir, its not your spark plugs misfiring its your heatsoak. or should i reccomend to a customer they should install a k&n filter because its a million mile warranty, saves fuel and gives you more power. so by saying heatsoak was generated by the engine temps i lose my customers trust. so this is how you think a mechanic with a supercharged TLS should think? like an engineer? you crack me up. your way of thinking is a wishful kid that is spoiled and hates on other people that may have better knowledge of things. rememeber your turbo kit is laying beside your bed, uninstalled and never tried or tested under your ownership. speak now.


ILC & IHC. thank you both brothas.

kingkong_dav

fyi-
when i was on the dyno my iat were reading 138degree, pull after pull. im back to a cai but i need to fab up something better. i know you guys are pushing me to run meth but its not going to happen. heres why. IM 2.2LBS OF BOOST. im not going to run meth @ this low boost level. theres no need. if i boosting 8lbs than yeah of course. my car drives perfect and ever time i WOT it, it reacts the same way all the time. im off tomorrow maybe i can start some diagnosing.

kingkong_dav

i will update it, its going good. im off tomorrow and now i have some time to check for boost leaks, shop around for a belt tensioner and maybe fab up a goodlooking cai. i have a good video but my coworker filmed it upside down.

ziggyh22

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Dave lets meet up tomorrow so I can give you your Jpipe also I've been thinking about your problem and I have a couple things to try so just hit me up when your available!

kingkong_dav

thanks ryan. ill call you

kingkong_dav

upside down video. blame the shoot on my coworker, stoner..pilot sport tires in very little water. last attempt to burn out was all rear brake lock up

kingkong_dav

paperboy42190

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what's the point of the burnout? lol